[DukeNukem64]

Hi everyone

I have been off the grid for a long, long time due to various reasons.

So my questions is just that - any Duke Nukem game being developed or rumours regarding that?
Not meaning to start a deeper discussion, just curious. :-)

[Radar]

I hope not.

[xMobilemux]

If we're talking a big AAA return of the Duke to mainstream games, then no, not happening and Duke's far better off as any Duke game made for "modern audiences" will damage him far more than Duke Nukem Forever ever did.

As for anything official, the best we're getting is that recent Evercade collection thing, which is just strange, but it could have been an intriguing outing for the lessor know Duke games to have a rerelease, but they had burned all their good will and cursed Duke even more by using painfully obvious AI generated art to promote it.
Who knows how that thing will turn out, but the best possible ending that collection has is if it is only a timed exclusive for Evercade and it releases on all other platforms, cause the Duke games in that collection need to be up for legal resale on more platforms.

The best thing that is happening to Duke right now is the community projects, Duke3D has held strong all these years with it's own awesome mods and TCs, but after all those leaks of the previous DNF builds as well as other leaked builds of other canceled Duke games and all the assets that have also been leaked with them have been far more real Duke Nukem experiences than anything or anyone will be able to make today.

[Šneček]

Hail to 2011 Duke Nukem Forever! Haters

[Ninety-Six]

As far as we know, no, and we really hope it stays that way.

[gibfrag]

Street Fighter 6 came out a couple days ago and Street Fighter 6 has chicks with purposely nice big ass cheeks and only "journalist" seem to take issue with that, but the fans seem to be enjoying the game and the fan service. One million players vs a few PC crybabies. Who was Capcom focused on pleasing? If a fighting game that has thick ass cheeks can come out in a world that Duke fans claim is so PC, then I don't see why Duke can't either.

However, the recent Evercade announcement using AI art makes me believe that there's little hope a new Duke game would be good, but the idea that it wouldn't work simply because of not being "woke or PC" is getting harder to believe.

[Ninety-Six]

DNSKILL5, on 06 June 2023 - 02:03 PM, said:

but the idea that it wouldn't work simply because of not being "woke or PC" is getting harder to believe.

Maybe for normal people, but tell that to the companies all over the entertainment space that have been bending over backwards to appease said "journalists" and other like-minded lunatics. Capcom's a japanese company so isn't beholden to Western woke-isms.

Hell, look at Gearbox themselves and their absolutely pathetic "justification" for not rereleasing DC or Caribbean.

[hismasterplan]

Duke Nukem on the level of Zero Hour or the 64 version of DN3D is far tamer than many games today that sexualize women. Going that direction again won't hurt the experience of a new Duke game personally. Duke for me was about flying around with a jetpack blowing up aliens, not the tits. Though, it's understandable most people associate Duke with the latter, thanks to DNF, even though it was always a small, immature joke here and there. I just can't fathom sitting on a potential money making IP and doing absolutely nothing with it. A Duke Nukem collection would be great, but why on a portable system like Evercade? The trend of bad business decisions continues to bury Duke. Then the failure is blamed on the franchise, rather than poor executive choices.

[Šneček]

I´d rather see a Duke Nukem movie than a new game. Waiting for a movie reminds me of waiting for a DNF.

[Ninety-Six]

hismasterplan, on 07 June 2023 - 02:18 AM, said:

Then the failure is blamed on the franchise, rather than poor executive choices.

this is one of the single most infuriating things about every media company

[gemeaux333]

The movie will certainly show the best way to handle the Duke in present days without loosing his souls
The producers of Cobra Kai working on it managed to make Johnny Lawrence and Daniel Larusso (from Karate Kid) actual in a few seasons and they were 10 to 100 times more has-been than Duke

[Outtagum]

Making a movie is putting the cart before the horse.

Duke Nukem is a video game character.

The last game was 12 fucking years ago.

Make a good game first. Then worry about a movie.

[Kristian Joensen]

In two years it will be as long since DNF was released, as DNF's entire development history.

[DukeNukem64]

I guess I got my answer. Thanks. Really wish there were more FPS action-games being released. Maybe I just don't follow around too much anymore.. :-)

[Doom64hunter]

Kristian Joensen, on 08 June 2023 - 05:27 AM, said:

In two years it will be as long since DNF was released, as DNF's entire development history.

[gibfrag]

Why do people want a movie so bad? I never understood that. The time for a movie was over 20 years ago.

[Ninety-Six]

DukeNukem64, on 08 June 2023 - 09:21 AM, said:

I guess I got my answer. Thanks. Really wish there were more FPS action-games being released. Maybe I just don't follow around too much anymore.. :-)

The throwback-FPS genre is quite vast at the moment, some would say even oversaturated.

[Fox]

Do people really think there's more than 0% of chance a good Duke Nukem film coming out?

Has it ever been a time which it has been this hard for Hollywood to come with a good script?

Besides, they hate the type of character Duke Nukem is. It would only be possible if he was "deconstructed"

[Hank]

Duke is dead. Blame who? The public, video game makers, wokeism? Any medical experts out there who can solve the riddle?
I say for as long as people ask for another Duke game, there is hope for the Duke fans.

Luckily this small community is blessed with worthwhile TCs; AMC, Demon Throne, Blast Radius … and more.

[Ninety-Six]

Hank, on 10 June 2023 - 11:06 AM, said:

Duke is dead. Blame who? The public, video game makers, wokeism? Any medical experts out there who can solve the riddle?

Makers and public via wokeism (so kind of all three). The brand is considered poison for a multitude of reasons, primarily Gearbox's poor handling of DNF, Critical Mass, and World Tour, and then also because of the wokeism the public has imagined this horribly inaccurate representation of Duke and his franchise.

Hank, on 10 June 2023 - 11:06 AM, said:

I say for as long as people ask for another Duke game, there is hope for the Duke fans.

Well, that's kinda the thing. As cool as it would be to have a genuine new Duke game that does it right, we don't trust anyone to do it right. Just listen to Gearbox's completely bullshit excuse for not rereleasing Caribbean and DC (as I mentioned before). They said they were "sexist and racist" even though there's literally not one single goddamn thing in either expansion that could qualify. I don't believe DNF was either claim either, but it went way further with the risque content than even E1L2 did (namely, completely exposed breasts vs. tassels. And also the tittes were just everywhere and not just one single level out of 40-something).


Any new Duke game that gets made right now (or movie or whatever) is going to completely eviscerate him. Because no company is going to release a game starring a hyper-masculine send-up to 80s action movies with a side-helping of adult humor/content. Not in this climate. And if certain members of this forum are to be believed, even certain staff of the original Apogee/3DR games would throw Duke under the bus if given the chance to make a new game.



I've been a Duke fan since I was like 6. I absolutely love the franchise, the character, the attitude of the whole series, and the world it all exists in. I don't even hate DNF (though I'm not gonna pretend that it wasn't released as a rushed patch-job that we got after Gearbox took over). I've played almost every game front to back several times. Including some of the less popular ones (i dont care what anyone says I like TTK, warts and all). And of course Duke 3D itself, which is not only my favorite shooter of all time, but in my top 5 favorite games of all time.

But it's because of that love that I (and many others) would rather the franchise just stay dead. Absolutely nobody can be trusted to make a good new Duke Nukem game that stays a Duke Nukem game. Nobody can be trusted to make a good new Duke Nukem anything. Not a game, not a tv series, not a movie. At least, not right now. Not until or if wokeism leaves the popular consciousness, and the public can take Duke for what and who he is (that being, just a series about blowing shit up and looking cool while doing it), and Gearbox is just completely removed from the picture altogether. Gearbox has proven time and time again that they do not deserve the IP. They have mishandled it almost as badly as Disney has mishandled Star Wars. They are, as far as I am concerned, completely incapable of making a good Duke Nukem product, even without the woke worship all western companies engage in right now.





But you're on the money when it comes to fan support. TCs like Demon Throne, AMC, and Alien Armageddon (which to me feels like a genuine continuation of the franchise), and all the more vanilla-ish stuff keeps Duke alive and well among us, so we're not exactly starved for content.

[Hank]

Ninety-Six, on 11 June 2023 - 01:22 PM, said:

Makers and public via wokeism (so kind of all three). The brand is considered poison for a multitude of reasons, primarily Gearbox's poor handling of DNF, Critical Mass, and World Tour, and then also because of the wokeism the public has imagined this horribly inaccurate representation of Duke and his franchise.



Well, that's kinda the thing. As cool as it would be to have a genuine new Duke game that does it right, we don't trust anyone to do it right. Just listen to Gearbox's completely bullshit excuse for not rereleasing Caribbean and DC (as I mentioned before). They said they were "sexist and racist" even though there's literally not one single goddamn thing in either expansion that could qualify. I don't believe DNF was either claim either, but it went way further with the risque content than even E1L2 did (namely, completely exposed breasts vs. tassels. And also the tittes were just everywhere and not just one single level out of 40-something).


Any new Duke game that gets made right now (or movie or whatever) is going to completely eviscerate him. Because no company is going to release a game starring a hyper-masculine send-up to 80s action movies with a side-helping of adult humor/content. Not in this climate. And if certain members of this forum are to be believed, even certain staff of the original Apogee/3DR games would throw Duke under the bus if given the chance to make a new game.



I've been a Duke fan since I was like 6. I absolutely love the franchise, the character, the attitude of the whole series, and the world it all exists in. I don't even hate DNF (though I'm not gonna pretend that it wasn't released as a rushed patch-job that we got after Gearbox took over). I've played almost every game front to back several times. Including some of the less popular ones (i dont care what anyone says I like TTK, warts and all). And of course Duke 3D itself, which is not only my favorite shooter of all time, but in my top 5 favorite games of all time.

But it's because of that love that I (and many others) would rather the franchise just stay dead. Absolutely nobody can be trusted to make a good new Duke Nukem game that stays a Duke Nukem game. Nobody can be trusted to make a good new Duke Nukem anything. Not a game, not a tv series, not a movie. At least, not right now. Not until or if wokeism leaves the popular consciousness, and the public can take Duke for what and who he is (that being, just a series about blowing shit up and looking cool while doing it), and Gearbox is just completely removed from the picture altogether. Gearbox has proven time and time again that they do not deserve the IP. They have mishandled it almost as badly as Disney has mishandled Star Wars. They are, as far as I am concerned, completely incapable of making a good Duke Nukem product, even without the woke worship all western companies engage in right now.





But you're on the money when it comes to fan support. TCs like Demon Throne, AMC, and Alien Armageddon (which to me feels like a genuine continuation of the franchise), and all the more vanilla-ish stuff keeps Duke alive and well among us, so we're not exactly starved for content.

Methinks, the Duke Character could work even today. People like heroes. Just give him fresh, interesting enemies. The universe is huge. There could be new aliens targeting earth. - Why couldn’t Duke have settled down with one of his hot chicks, got a couple of kids and is now more than ever motivated to do what he is best at?

Methinks, forget this wokeism. We’ve have had self-righteous moral preachers since before the Prohibition. Let them rage and rave. There are the enemy of Freedom of Expression, and un-American.

[Šneček]

I don't understand the attitude of immediately rejecting any attempt to film Duke. The worst that could happen would be that the film would be garbage, putting it behind a lot of other US films, so why worry about any brand tarnishing? Maybe it would have been enough if the filmmakers had skimped a bit on the hooker scenes to portray Duke in a less sexist way? Even with them, he wouldn't be the only film with erotic content nowadays.

[Ninety-Six]

Hank, on 11 June 2023 - 06:19 PM, said:

Methinks, the Duke Character could work even today. People like heroes. Just give him fresh, interesting enemies. The universe is huge. There could be new aliens targeting earth. - Why couldn’t Duke have settled down with one of his hot chicks, got a couple of kids and is now more than ever motivated to do what he is best at?

Methinks, forget this wokeism. We’ve have had self-righteous moral preachers since before the Prohibition. Let them rage and rave. There are the enemy of Freedom of Expression, and un-American.

Tell that to the corporations, dude. This ain't about realism this is about corporations bending over backwards for the lunatics.

[Aleks]

I agree with Hank that it's not the wokeism or any such concept that's stopping people from making a new Duke game, it's money. After DNF, it's just really risky business. The other part - which might be also a bit entangled with the said wokeism - is the fact that it's a big company that's holding the IP. Even if it was Apogee or the nu-3DR (pre-acquisition, at least), chances they would make something would be bigger. The thing is, Duke isn't meant to be an AAA game, because such games - despite having beautiful graphics and elaborate plots - also have (usually) less gameplay and more cinematics. Duke has been always based on minimal story and just interesting, a bit mysterious world building, meaty gameplay, exploration, interesting level design and humor/references. Same for the movie - who cares for another Hollywood blockbuster action movie that's the same like every other blockbuster action movie before anyway? It would have to be something more independent, with less budget - but more freedom and actually based on a script.

[Hank]

Ninety-Six, on 12 June 2023 - 03:40 AM, said:

Tell that to the corporations, dude. This ain't about realism this is about corporations bending over backwards for the lunatics.

I speak with my wallet. That’s all one can do.

[Ninety-Six]

Aleks, on 12 June 2023 - 05:59 AM, said:

I agree with Hank that it's not the wokeism or any such concept that's stopping people from making a new Duke game, it's money. After DNF, it's just really risky business. The other part - which might be also a bit entangled with the said wokeism - is the fact that it's a big company that's holding the IP.

That's basically been my point (It's why I said "kind of all three"). Sometimes I don't explain things well and I apologize for that.

Aleks, on 12 June 2023 - 05:59 AM, said:

The thing is, Duke isn't meant to be an AAA game, because such games - despite having beautiful graphics and elaborate plots - also have (usually) less gameplay and more cinematics. Duke has been always based on minimal story and just interesting, a bit mysterious world building, meaty gameplay, exploration, interesting level design and humor/references.

I've always described Duke Nukem as a B-Game type of series (equivalent to B-Movies). A certain youtuber also similarly equated it (and the other Build games) to exploitation films of the 70s and 80s.

Duke has always been a derivative series that takes a pre-existing formula and adds in about 30 gallons of personality and adds some QoL improvements. Which is absolutely fine and honestly one of the reasons I love it. Duke 3D was kind of anomalous in how it launched the series into stardom (though even afterwards, besides DNF the other Duke games still followed the B-game feel).

Aleks, on 12 June 2023 - 05:59 AM, said:

It would have to be something more independent, with less budget - but more freedom and actually based on a script.

That would be nice, but Gearbox would never issue the license to an indie studio.

[jkas789]

Hank, on 10 June 2023 - 11:06 AM, said:

Duke is dead. Blame who? The public, video game makers, wokeism? Any medical experts out there who can solve the riddle?

Doctor here. My suspicion is Duke's death may have been caused by steroid abuse, constant sex and a healthy dose of cringe for the nu Duke Nukem memes floating around.

As for OP, AFAIK there is nothing cooking aside from the Evercade announcement which gets a big fat meh from me given how it is Evercade exclusive and Community content. Kudos to all the people keeping up the good fight.

[gibfrag]

Embracer is bracing itself with shutting down studios, cancelling games, and laying people off. So maybe we’ll have this to look forward to as far as Duke goes.

https://www.ign.com/...l-falls-through

[jkas789]

Maybe, I wouldn't put my hopes up. Tbh honest it would take a studio with actual balls to be able to make a Duke Nukem game in the year of our Lord 2023.

[gibfrag]

I was leaning more towards a sarcastic tone over this potentially being bad news for Duke fans and the future of the character, at least for anyone who was acting like this buyout would result in good news for Duke. So far it’s only gotten us the Evercade release, and with this recent update I wouldn’t be surprised if these studios suffer in some way even if they don’t get the axe entirely.