[Forge]

Phredreeke, on 18 November 2022 - 04:06 PM, said:

Let's say one party ran for legalised full auto rifles and free sex changes, and the other ran on banning all guns, and conversion therapy. Which party would you be voting for?

does the sex change come with a free full auto rifle?

[Phredreeke]

Yes, you’ll be spraying bullets out of your fancy new vagina

[Forge]

Phredreeke, on 18 November 2022 - 04:30 PM, said:

Yes, you’ll be spraying bullets out of your fancy new vagina

well i'm sold

not a fan of taxpayer funded medical procedures whether it's a kidney transplant, cosmetic surgery, or doing skin grafts on a burn victim.
but i'm also of the opinion that medical procedures shouldn't cost so much that they make you an indentured servant for the rest of your life either
so i'm willing to compromise

[Sangman]

Radar, on 18 November 2022 - 03:59 PM, said:

I'm hard-pressed to believe there's anyone left in America who doesn't have an opinion on LGBT issues

People have opinions about everything.

[Radar]

It's all so tiresome.

[Phredreeke]

What are you guys opinions on the Amish?

[Hendricks266]

Radar, on 18 November 2022 - 03:22 PM, said:

Redacted, because this forum sucks.

Then why are you here?

[Forge]

Hendricks266, on 18 November 2022 - 06:24 PM, said:

Then why are you here?

he was going to correct me, but i corrected myself -the thing he is complaining about are people going back and editing their posts

[Phredreeke]

He was clearly responding to me though.

[Forge]

Phredreeke, on 18 November 2022 - 05:50 PM, said:

What are you guys opinions on the Amish?

good religious fundamentalists
good community support
horrible unchecked power structure hierarchy behind a gated and private community that allows abusive behavior to propagate

insular fundamental mormons and muslims are pretty bad too

[Forge]

Phredreeke, on 18 November 2022 - 07:42 PM, said:

He was clearly responding to me though.

i wouldn't say 'clearly'
half of one of my posts is right below that comment and I was of the opinion that he was going to address what i posted about 'tranny'

I could be completely wrong, though.

He could have wrote something out to respond to you, - then changed it to redacted because he felt it was cooler to act like jimmy, but without actually getting banned


But I'm going to stick with my original thought - mostly because

Radar, on 18 November 2022 - 03:22 PM, said:

Need to remember to quote you because you keep editing your posts after people respond. Seriously dude, stop doing that.

I edited my post, and you didn't

[Phredreeke]

I mean, he quoted me right before he said it.

[Forge]

I think he may have either forgot to reply to it, or he accidently removed what he posted because he had to redress my addendum.

I can barely put together cognitive posts on a good day, and I've been dealing with covid or raging death flu for close to a week now, so he can just suck it up that I have to make edits

[Danukem]

The point of starting a thread with a specific topic is to have discussion on that topic.

If people are going to post off the topic (which has been the majority of the posts in this thread for a while now) then I had might as well just lock it. In the past, threads like that have been split, but I don't think it's worth the effort.

[Forge]

depends on if you think women's political leanings and their opinions on the matter are tangent enough to say it's relevant.

I don't know what the amish angle is though

If you want an opinion from biological females, you should read the petition I posted. It doesn't say they want to exclude trans athletes - they want more guidelines and governance on which athletes can be included and which should not be included

The NCAA, the Olympic and Paralympic Movement know that from the onset of male puberty, male
bodies develop to be faster, stronger, and more powerful than female bodies as a group. The performance
gap emerging from that point forward ranges from 8% to 50% depending on the sport and event. The
more explosive strength the sport or event requires, the bigger the gap between males and females.
Biological women cannot overcome these immutable physical and physiological differences and the
performance gap they create with more talent or training, better coaching, facilities, or nutrition. Only
strong transgender athlete eligibility standards that center fairness for females can guarantee fair
competition.

because at some point, T levels are meaningless

http://championwomen...pdated-2022.pdf

[Phredreeke]

The Amish angle was me trying to show to Radar that people can not have opinions on things. Apparently you have put more thought into the Amish lifestyle than I have.

[Forge]

Phredreeke, on 18 November 2022 - 08:26 PM, said:

The Amish angle was me trying to show to Radar that people can not have opinions on things. Apparently you have put more thought into the Amish lifestyle than I have.

the wife's grandfather lived in southern missouri & we'd go visit him frequently - very large amish communities in that area - so I acquired some familiarity with their behavior

[Phredreeke]

Anyway, I share Dan’s view that being able to participate in a given sport is not a civil right. But I’m not against it as long as the safety of the participants can be ensured. I’ve expressed discomfort about a certain transgender MMA fighter fighting cis women and been labelled a transphobe over it.

I think the whole issue has probably been overblown, and aside from Forge it seems most people here think so too. But I also happen to think scholarships based on sports performance are bogus.

While Sangman questioned why I didn’t start the thread with my own views, it’s because I didn’t want to bias it, but also because I’m lazy. Also why I’m asking in the first place is because this site has quite a diverse set of views, while in most other places it’s be either hard on one side or the other.

Anyway, thanks for being respectful as I asked, except for Radar’s little slip up that he later redacted.

[Forge]

Phredreeke, on 18 November 2022 - 09:03 PM, said:

I think the whole issue has probably been overblown, and aside from Forge it seems most people here think so too. But I also happen to think scholarships based on sports performance are bogus.

Athletic scholarships are a thing. I didn't make them. They've been around long before I was born. They're not going away.

Trans athlete participation is nearly unregulated at schools and educational institutes. Almost no 'qualifications' are needed to apply, so you have females in fully developed male bodies competing against females in female bodies.

There's an unfair advantage.
It takes away fair competition.
It takes away scholarships that were meant for females born in female bodies
Not sure how that's construed as 'overblown', but okay.
You wanted an opinion, I gave it, and defended why I gave it, but it's not some hill I'm going to die on

[Phredreeke]

One side says there’s an unfair advantage the other one says there isn’t. Maybe the scholarships can have some kinda quota system like the Harvard admissions.

[ReaperAA]

My answer isn't in the poll.

But I would say that ideally, i believe trans women should have a category of their own. Pitting them again other women is unfair, especially sports that require physical strength/abilities, because they almost always have a clear biological advantage.

[MusicallyInspired]

No, it's unfair. Next question.

[Forge]

Phredreeke, on 18 November 2022 - 07:59 PM, said:

I mean, he quoted me right before he said it.

my headaches have slightly abated today, so my thinky parts are working a tiny bit better -and you are correct.
the redacted comment bit was him going back and removing what he posted because it's considered an offensive word now - the definition has changed over time. I hadn't noticed his original post was changed until today.

sorry 'bout the misunderstanding

[lllllllllllllll]

Only if men are allowed. Very few people seem to catch onto this being a case of giving a particular class extra rights exclusive only to them.

[Danukem]

Daily reminder that rights don't exist.


RIP Jimmy

[OpenMaw]

A whole lot of noise for something that should be very simple to answer.

No.

[DNSkill]

(in response to Phredreeke's question) Well, full auto is still technically legal in the US if you wanted one badly enough, but I'd go with the first option because IDGAF what another person wants to do with their body, and full auto's are a hoot to shoot but because of the regulations they are insanely expensive and taxed. The current laws hinder innovation.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

it depends on the sport.
if we're talking Olympics,
there's a greater filter then just non contact.

Also does anyone not care of the lack of speed tennis and the normalization of tennis courts to be all the same on all turfs at a professional level.

like the greatest tennis players are speed tennis players.
and due to the new echelon of tennis leadership, speed tennis no longer exists.
like, roger federer couldn't play carpet tennis well which is why faster courts no longer exist, and therefore neither do the greatest players in the sport.

That's sport corruption on a whole 'nother level.
all tennis courts should be speed tennis courts
not federer comfortable ones


that's some really fucked up shit, I bet david foster wallace is rolling in his grave.

[CruX]

Prolly best we don't. The science doesn't seem to be there yet, by any metric. I consider myself somewhat trans-positive but the internet has made this discourse go completely insane and i'm very tired.

[Sledgehammer]

Radar, on 18 November 2022 - 02:48 PM, said:

The majority of American women are left-leaning and support leftist politics. Nobody denies this.

Nah, they're actually selfish and act for their own benefits or even attention, always. Funnily enough, they fucked themselves over without knowing it, they went straight into the trap they partly helped to create.

Radar, on 18 November 2022 - 03:01 PM, said:

Women clearly support this.

They don't though, there is a reason why the term "terf" exist, to label wrongthinkers. If they dare to speak they will be canceled immediately, just like everyone else.

Spoiler

Heh, at least there is something related to equality in this so-called ideology.

They're absolutely responsible for this bullshit and every single woman who supported this "ideology" deserved it. However, they definitely, like never ever, expected something like this to happen. They must regret this, and I actually know plenty of Western women who identify themselves as "feminists" that are hardcore anti-trannies. No, not even like that, I don't know even a single feminist woman who would support trannies.

Hendricks266, on 18 November 2022 - 06:24 PM, said:

Then why are you here?

Just to suffer.