[Sangman]

I get ya man, whenever I wanted to do something as a kid I would still not do it if my mom asked me to do it first. Fight the power!

[Sanek]

Allright, finally had a good night's sleep, and generally feel myself good right now.

[Jimmy]

Sangman, on 20 October 2021 - 01:47 AM, said:

I get ya man, whenever I wanted to do something as a kid I would still not do it if my mom asked me to do it first. Fight the power!

Cringe.

[Danukem]

Sangman, on 20 October 2021 - 01:47 AM, said:

I get ya man, whenever I wanted to do something as a kid I would still not do it if my mom asked me to do it first. Fight the power!

Well if your mom is the government who is getting increasingly authoritarian and opposing her illegitimate dictates is your only hope of hanging on to your liberties then opposing her isn't so silly, is it?

[Sangman]

I dunno, letting the decision of taking a vaccine that you apparently trust hinge on whether or not the government forces you to take it does seem a little bit silly to me, even if I agree that they shouldn't force you to take it.

I wonder now what the timeline is for when the US is going to take off the kid gloves and just straight up make it literally mandatory.

[Danukem]

Sangman, on 20 October 2021 - 12:43 PM, said:

I dunno, letting the decision of taking a vaccine that you apparently trust hinge on whether or not the government forces you to take it does seem a little bit silly to me, even if I agree that they shouldn't force you to take it.

I wonder now what the timeline is for when the US is going to take off the kid gloves and just straight up make it literally mandatory.

Specifics always matter -- if covid had even a 10% mortality rate I wouldn't even think about opposing a vaccine booster for myself no matter how dickish the government was being about it. Likewise if I knew they were going to round me up and shoot me in the head, I wouldn't oppose it either. But this is a case where opposition is relatively low-risk and might actually do some good. What good you ask? Consider that all the predictions about government overreach continue to come true. It won't stop with a one-time vaccine mandate. No one who has been paying attention can scoff now at predictions of a permanent quarantine-oriented-state with endless mask requirements, forced medications, tight control of personal movements etc. all in the interest of "public health". If that doesn't come to pass it will be because people opposed it. Naturally, the people who pay a high price like Jimmy will be laughed at and called childish and paranoid.

[Jimmy]

I for one hope they try to make it mandatory. The tree of liberty is thirsty.

[Sangman]

edit:
So here's another question. Let's say they never make it explicitly mandatory, but instead keep doing what's already been going on - ie. continuing to throw onto the pile of services/access to places that will be denied to those who aren't vaccinated. In such a situation, at what point do you think enough people will be fed up enough to be able to organize resistance at a meaningful scale?

[Hank]

We were lucky, our family doctor explained the pros and cons. She did not have too much time, but referred us to factual references instead and we could make reasonable informed decisions.
Now, that it is forced on literally every man, woman and child, shows our rough research, way back when, to be correct, and the vaccines are simply a con.
However, now it is political. What am I going to do? Tell my staff, go get vaccinated or be fired? What happens if one of the adverse effects occur? Who is liable, my firm or the government? After all, I’m the one implementing the blackmail. And so on.

[jkas789]

Meanwhile in other countries like Mexico vaccination has always been obligatory with our public health care system. And like other obligatory vaccination systems in other countries everyone is fine with it and it has been a net gain on public health. But then again that is just my retarded mexican doctor opinion.

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Anyways, here is a video by the meme lawyer that I actually agree on some level:



This pandemic really has been characterized a fuckton of government over reach.

[Jimmy]

When you can't choose your own medical treatment you are nothing more than livestock.

[Hank]

jkas789, on 20 October 2021 - 01:47 PM, said:

Meanwhile in other countries like Mexico vaccination has always been obligatory with our public health care system. And like other obligatory vaccination systems in other countries everyone is fine with it and it has been a net gain on public health. But then again that is just my retarded mexican doctor opinion.

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Please. I can tolerate mandatory vaccines for like Polio, or even stuff like the Measles, but Covid?
We can talk more in 2023(24), when the actual test procedures are completed. Then I may have to eat my words.
As for nationality, I’m a crumpy Kraut, with some ex-free country passports.

[MC84]

Sangman, on 20 October 2021 - 01:12 PM, said:

edit:
So here's another question. Let's say they never make it explicitly mandatory, but instead keep doing what's already been going on - ie. continuing to throw onto the pile of services/access to places that will be denied to those who aren't vaccinated. In such a situation, at what point do you think enough people will be fed up enough to be able to organize resistance at a meaningful scale?

In that situation there will likely be pressure from two sides; 1) the 'underclass' that are growing increasingly desperate and angry with what they perceive as an unjust system foisted upon them, and 2) the problem of maintaining these tedious check in processes by apathetic employees and businesses who don't really want to do the government's dirty work for them. When these two trends converge then the game is up. Unless of course they can fast-track some sort of digital currency linked to vaccination but I think that's still a few years off.

[jkas789]

Hank, on 20 October 2021 - 02:24 PM, said:

Please. I can tolerate mandatory vaccines for like Polio, or even stuff like the Measles, but Covid?
We can talk more in 2023(24), when the actual test procedures are completed. Then I may have to eat my words.
As for nationality, I’m a crumpy Kraut, with some ex-free country passports.

Fair enough.

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When you can't choose your own medical treatment you are nothing more than livestock.

I can agree with that up to a certain point.

[Jimmy]

Of course. You're part of the system and therefore invested in it.

You should be worried about how the system is rapidly discrediting itself, and people like you will be made to suffer instead of the people calling the shots. I can agree with that up to a certain point.

[Skull-Haver]

Glad to hear the jab went well. There's something funny iin that the anti-vaxers who are saying how low the mortality rate of covid is are the same ppl worried about the similarly low mortality rate for the jab. I think when it comes to human lives its just good to be careful. No % of human life lost is good, obviously.

[Forge]

Skull-Haver, on 20 October 2021 - 10:24 PM, said:

There's something funny iin that the anti-vaxers who are saying how low the mortality rate of covid is are the same ppl worried about the similarly low mortality rate for the jab.

convoluted
people who are in the low risk group to suffering the worse effects of covid should not be forcibly subjected to an injection of poison that may have adverse and potentially deadly effects

(it's not a vaxx. It does not prevent the host of the toxic protein soup from catching and spreading the disease. It only reduces the effects of the illness - in allegedly most, but not all cases)
(also; the u.s. government gives zero fucks about your precious life. You are only used in their money laundering schemes and are being replaced by the thousands of illegal immigrants crossing the southern border every day - of whom none are required to get the vaxx - but they will make fine, obedient, and grateful wage slaves)

[jkas789]

Jimmy, on 20 October 2021 - 05:02 PM, said:

You should be worried about how the system is rapidly discrediting itself, and people like you will be made to suffer instead of the people calling the shots. I can agree with that up to a certain point.

I am. You would be unsurprised of how confrontational patients are this days.

Anyways I will just leave this riiiiiiiiiight here.

[Jimmy]

Well hospitals are literally killing people on purpose at this point for monetary gain so you can't really blame them.

As for that Twitter video, Boomers are the only people who watch cable news and coincidentally the primary users of pharmajeuticals. Huh go figure.

[Aristotle Gumball]

So after 5 weeks of getting the vaccine, I have bad ringing in my ears and it appears also to be getting worse.

[Danukem]

Just think if you had gotten covid instead of the vaccine, you would have been sick for a while and probaby all better now. Probably. But seriously, see a doctor about the tinnnitus which is probably unrelated to the vaccine. Probably.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Tinnitus appears to be one of the side effects of Covid itself, so maybe if I'd contracted it, I'd be in a similar state. But yeah, need to see a doctor in SOVIET FUCKING ESTONIA.

[Forge]

the "vaxx" doesn't prevent you from catching the coof
it only keeps you from getting noticeably sick (in most cases), so then you don't feel obligated to stay home and not give it to other people

you probably caught the chinese lung hiv from some other "vaxxed" person at work and didn't even know it

[Jimmy]

Forge, on 25 October 2021 - 07:44 AM, said:

the "vaxx" doesn't prevent you from catching the coof
it only keeps you from getting noticeably sick (in most cases),

Allegedly

[Hank]

The FDA approved Covid-Con vaccinations for children 5-11, for absolute no reason (see below). Another clear win for Pfizer and other drug cartels. I just can’t wait how the medical dictatorship will deal with those hesitant parents, since we are talking up to 28 million shots without the nasty liability law suits and loosing on those juicy profits.

[Mark]

I just saw the news flash that in California alone there was an estimated 20 billion dollars of fraud in the Covid relief checks handed out. Haven't verified it but it sounds like our typical government plan without safeguards.

[Hank]

Compared to the trillions of current giveaways to various shit groups, illegal foreigners and corporations, let the average Joe have a little of those proceeds, before the Great Reset hits hard; or the Greater Depression if you are afeard to be called a conspiracy theorist. It’s like this Covid show is a smoke screen to obscure what else is happening

[Sangman]

Sangman, on 15 October 2021 - 02:07 PM, said:

Meanwhile in our government it seems like cooler heads have prevailed - mask mandates are scrapped in most places and there's none of that certificate QR code scanning BS either. Hope it stays that way.

(edit: I should point out that about 70% of the population is fully vaccinated... Well, according to the definition of fully at the time of this post :-))
https://covid-vaccinatie.be/en

For completeness' sake, nevermind this - starting from november we're back to mask mandates and an increase in usage of QR codes. yay

[Avenger]

Sangman, on 29 October 2021 - 05:03 AM, said:

For completeness' sake, nevermind this - starting from november we're back to mask mandates and an increase in usage of QR codes. yay

Not sure what part of the definition of insanity many governments simply don't understand.

"Let's continue to force lockdowns/mandates indefinitely for the entire populace despite already having done so several times in an ongoing basis and forcing experimental improperly tested/trialed "emergency" drugs on people that we promised would change things."

You know, because it's had such a profound positive impact on the economy, freedom of choice, mankinds standard of living and overall mental health.




Anyone still trying to argue that this is about a cold and not a wealth transfer to eliminate the middle class and identify "dissidents" that aren't communist yes boys is either logically braindead or choicefully ignorant.

How much longer is this madness going to continue? 40 years ago there would have already been a revolution. A large portion of mankind has become so soft that they put priority in how they are perceived by people they have never even met over their own freedoms and well being. It's pathetic

[Danukem]

I could argue with some of that...but it's close enough to the truth that I would rather upvote it.