[PokeThePower]

Find the person or people you think is at the top of whatever government you're upset about. Determine what government they answer to (not the one they pretend to answer to, the one they *actually* answer to). Repeat this until you can earnestly say "none". Do not concern yourself with whether they ultimately answer to God or Satan as that is not relevant to the matter at hand... which is what is the true rule of earth.

Once you reach the people who do not answer to any government... then have your reference point for what really rules the earth. The other 99.9% of the people who choose to answer to some random government that happens to be active in this moment are absolutely irrelevant. They can always choose the same thing as that group that doesn't answer to any government. Those people who don't answer to any government have the same inherent risks you do for not obeying any particular government. The fact they have access to tools you don't is no more important than whether they are taller, smarter, stronger, sexier, or not... the only question is what are the ACTUAL rules of sandbox earth. Very few people are playing by the actual rules, most are playing by a convenient subset.

[Danukem]

I love how you posit an unspecified hierarchy of shadow governments just to make the simple Jack Sparrow point.

[Hendricks266]

[Jimmy]

>expecting the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States to comment negatively on a person of interest in an ongoing Federal case

lmao

[PokeThePower]

Danukem, on 20 August 2020 - 10:48 AM, said:

I love how you posit an unspecified hierarchy of shadow governments just to make the simple Jack Sparrow point.

Whether anything was shadow governments or not was also irrelevant, and why I didn't specify any open or shadow nature to the hierarchy.

I grow weary of watching the navel chasing of debating all the various transient governments and was asking any person regardless of what they think the government should be (or none), regardless of what they think the source of government is, to follow their own train of thought to the end of the line of being governed by other men... and ask what THAT is because that is the only thing that remains constant from beginning to end, and therefore is the only real rule®.

Like the Phillip K. Dick quote about what remains when you stop believing in it.

[PokeThePower]

Jimmy, on 20 August 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

lmao

"I've met her, I have some idea what she knows. I wish she doesn't get suicided."

[Outtagum]

Hendricks266, on 20 August 2020 - 11:08 AM, said:

Implying they aren't nasty women.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

R A D A Я, on 20 August 2020 - 03:21 AM, said:

If you believe that God is a crazy person that you don't need to ask forgiveness from, then you don't believe in the Bible. And that's fine. You don't have to. But don't perform mental gymnastics to get around that.

Is that just not your interpretation of it?

Idk anyone that thinks that killing people en masse is a reasonable act
deserves hell more then I do

and then we can get into the argument that
"And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them.” - Romans 8:28
" All things are done according to God's plan and decision; and God chose us to be his own people in union with Christ because of his own purpose, based on what he had decided from the very beginning." Ephesians 1:11

If we take these quotes at face value
and don't try to twist them to suit our personal preferences
or what one thinks gods actual point was

We get a god who is responsible for all evil in this world
asking forgiveness from someone that is responsible for such
I'd rather go to hell and stay there.

Hell it's not just me who thinks this,
In Clive Barkers imaginative world of hellraiser
The horn sound of leviathan is morse code for god

why someone would leave a tidbit of information for something like that
without any belief of such IDK

[Radar]

This is probably what Dan means when he says "re-inventing the wheel over and over again with philosophical insights that were old-news a thousand years ago".


Killing is sometimes necessary. Associating that with mental illness only proves you understand the necessity of death less than most religious folks. You are performing mental gymnastics to arrive at your "omnicide" conclusion.

[PokeThePower]

The Overman, on 20 August 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

We get a god who is responsible for all evil in this world
asking forgiveness from someone that is responsible for such
I'd rather go to hell and stay there.

Only because you're convinced that the torture of hell has anything to do with simply enduring pain, instead of eternally knowing you were wrong and judged truth wrong and are now separated from truth despite knowing what the truth is, all because you decided you knew better from your limited perspective despite you also being given every single thing you need to know you can't trust your own judgement. It honestly isn't hard to grok the premise behind why allowing evil in this life is the greatest good you could be offered. You and I can never understand it the way God does, but we have been given every tool necessary to recognize the shadow of the bigger picture.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

R A D A Я, on 20 August 2020 - 12:41 PM, said:

This is probably what Dan means when he says "re-inventing the wheel over and over again with philosophical insights that were old-news a thousand years ago".


Killing is sometimes necessary. Associating that with mental illness only proves you understand the necessity of death less than most religious folks. You are performing mental gymnastics to arrive at your "omnicide" conclusion.

I agree that killing is sometimes necessary.
but if he is responsible for all evil and those quotes can be taken at face value
there are much more evil things then murder

I have no argument with gods actions or proposed actions against leviathan,
as that's omnicide

But the beings that watch god,
are not more powerful than he is,
it's us

it's up to us to determine whether or not god's actions are permissible
I personally don't think his actions are permissible
so I'm not going to ask for forgiveness from him

DriveDinaDrive, on 20 August 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Only because you're convinced that the torture of hell has anything to do with simply enduring pain, instead of eternally knowing you were wrong and judged truth wrong and are now separated from truth despite knowing what the truth is, all because you decided you knew better from your limited perspective despite you also being given every single thing you need to know you can't trust your own judgement. It honestly isn't hard to grok the premise behind why allowing evil in this life is the greatest good you could be offered. You and I can never understand it the way God does, but we have been given every tool necessary to recognize the shadow of the bigger picture.

No,
I do not believe that hell is enduring pain and suffering,
and I do not believe that hell is eternally knowing that I am wrong.

because even if i was wrong.
I do not have the ability to be wrong,
because god made me delusional.

If god gave me the choice of believing in him or choosing to suffer in hell
like most people, like you, and radar,
I could be inclined to believe you

But if god placed me on this earth to believe that I am cartaphilus
and that every waking hour of every waking day
is punishment of my smite so many years ago,
that smite being that jesus's miracles and a guaranteed pathway to a better place
are not enough to ask forgiveness from man

That no matter how many magic tricks you guys pull,
and no matter how many years of therapy that my counselor teaches

God placed me in a position so I could despise him until my end of days
after the end of all things
or even if I am not on earth after this life
My mind will trick me and I'll be in hell knowing for all eternity that I was right

[Radar]

Why would God care if you think his actions are permissible?

[Balls of Steel Forever]

R A D A Я, on 20 August 2020 - 01:11 PM, said:

Why would God care if you think his actions are permissible?

Why would I care about god's forgiveness?


Edit: this originally said
without belief there is no god

or something my memory is shit

[PokeThePower]

The Overman, on 20 August 2020 - 12:58 PM, said:

If god gave me the choice...

The Overman, on 20 August 2020 - 12:58 PM, said:

God placed me in a position so I could despise him until my end of days

The Overman, on 20 August 2020 - 12:58 PM, said:

I personally don't think his actions are permissible

Did God give you a choice or did he not? Is it could or must? Do you think or instinct your opinion on his actions?

[Aristotle Gumball]

The Overman, on 20 August 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

We get a god who is responsible for all evil in this world
asking forgiveness from someone that is responsible for such
I'd rather go to hell and stay there.

I've said this verbatim. I don't believe in any gods, but if he/they exist - fuck em!

Here's a classic piece of 90s edge for you:



He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
He got the answers to ease my curiosity
He dreamed up a god and called it Christianity

God is dead and no one cares
If there is a hell, I'll see you there

[Radar]

@Overman

Until He re-enters the world in His physical form, lol. This might please you, but He won't exactly be friendly either.


EDIT: this is in response to your post before you edited it with a completely different point.

[Aristotle Gumball]

As for why the Old Testament god is such a dick, this might help explain.

[Hendricks266]

Outtagum, on 20 August 2020 - 12:05 PM, said:

Implying they aren't nasty women.

Would you call Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, and Tim Kaine "nasty men"?

[Balls of Steel Forever]

R A D A Я, on 20 August 2020 - 01:25 PM, said:

Until He re-enters the world in His physical form, lol. This might please you, but He won't exactly be friendly either.


EDIT: this is in response to your post before you edited it with a completely different point.

I realized that could be construed to whatever and didn't make any sense
plus it was there for like less than 1 minute

anyways put in an edit for your satisfaction

Also my main issue

Is if we hold god to the standards of man
An all knowing and all powerful man
He would not care if you thought his actions were permissible either
The closest "good guy" we can get to that on earth is tito
yes I know I get on my knees for him

Would you choose to bow down to such a all knowing and all powerful dictator or would you rebel against him.

DriveDinaDrive, on 20 August 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

Did God give you a choice or did he not? Is it could or must? Do you think or instinct your opinion on his actions?

God did not give me a choice
God gave you a choice
Me stating such things that are seemingly contradictory in this specific case do not apply to me
and yes walking over eggshells with an argument where a delusion applies is very difficult
which is why I don't like this subject very much

Where i.e. this delusion doesn't make sense to anyone else but me
anyone can take it apart and display to me very valid evidence to the contrary
evidence doesn't work in disproving such things
time maybe


It is implied that they are applied to others
to attempt to make a convincing argument implied that I like you do have a choice even though I personally don't have a choice
because again, god did not give me a choice

Basically pretending to be a different person for the sake of having valid discussion

Outtagum, on 20 August 2020 - 12:05 PM, said:

Implying they aren't nasty women.

Hendricks266, on 20 August 2020 - 02:02 PM, said:

Would you call Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, and Tim Kaine "nasty men"?

The internet is proof that we can tear anyone apart in anyway fashionable whether fact or not and make it viable for our own beliefs

I.E.
If I was the man associated with the sayings of things on this picture
Everyone is nasty and everyone deserves to go to hell

I think Trump is wrong because he speaks of these "good" women negatively and speaks of a child predator positively.
I think Trump is wrong because he hasn't used the nuclear missile silos to cause nuclear winter and hasten the death of the human race
I think Trump is wrong because he is not a cunt, because he lacks depth and warmth
I think trump is wrong because he attacks people discriminatorily

All of this stuff is why trump is wrong, and we can get lost in the sauce of how many wrongs trump has committed and not look at the bigger picture.

It's not him in the position of power anymore
and it's not the senate or the house or the judicial body
it's not the people
It's the corporations

so honestly who gives a flying floating piece of dog poo of what a orange leathery puppet has to say
when we should be focusing on how to tear apart this oligarchy that we got ourselves stuck in

If we were arguing that trump was a well liked celebrity
and people see him as a role model
I do agree with hendricks point of view that this level of discrimination and favoritism towards a pedophile
should not exist with a person that is seen as a possible role model.

He is not our president though
corporations are

[Kyanos]

I watched a lot of the DNC thingy, I think they are intentionally throwing the election.

The world biggest hoax is in believing the 2 party system isn't a single party.

[PokeThePower]

Hendricks266, on 20 August 2020 - 02:02 PM, said:

Would you call Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, and Tim Kaine "nasty men"?

Obama is a nasty traitor and likely a man.
Schumer is a sleazy traitor and a nasty man.
Kaine is an embarrassment even for a nasty cuck a man.

Kyanos, on 20 August 2020 - 02:07 PM, said:

I think they are intentionally throwing the election.

I've been saying the same thing. They have no need to win the election and being in the presidency during the next couple years of chaos would only be a burden and encourage a more unified counter swing.

[Radar]

Trump is a nasty man too. Who cares.

[Forge]

DriveDinaDrive, on 20 August 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

They have no need to win the election and being in the presidency during the next couple years of chaos would only be a burden and encourage a more unified counter swing.

Dems will get a big boost if during the next cycle the economy stays low, unemployment stays high, the education bubble bursts, and the federal overspending creates hyper-inflation

[Hank]

Hendricks266, on 20 August 2020 - 02:02 PM, said:

Would you call Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, and Tim Kaine "nasty men"?

Nah, of course not. Thanks to duke4’s teachings I have a richer vocabulary.

Barack Obama, vile scum.
Chuck Schumer repugnant spoiled prat.
Tim Kaine serpent tonged maggot.

[Jimmy]

Tim Kaine is a [REDACTED] who [REDACTED] my state.

Also LOL at all the people in here conflating the actions of the Demiurge with the actions of God. The Bible has been intentionally corrupted so that the average person looks no further and lives in confusion.

[Radar]

[CITATION NEEDED]

[Jimmy]

The Demiurge is the creator of the material world. The whole point of the New Testament is how the material world can be escaped for those who choose to leave it. Hell is just another material world, farther removed from God. Completely cut off, in fact. Psalm 82 confirms that there are multiple entities which man may consider "gods" but are not the true God. In that chapter God also damns all entities who do not follow his way, just as he has damned all men who do not follow. John 14:30 makes it clear, in the words of the Christ, that although God is the supreme ruler of everything, He is not the ruler of this realm. "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me." The material realm is not entirely of God, it has been at least partially created by something else due to it's corrupted nature. I believe it to be the 7 Archons, chief of which is Yaldabaoth, or the Demiurge. An arrogant entity who believes He is the supreme ruler.

You don't go to Heaven by believing the words of the Old Testament god. You go to Heaven by accepting Christ.

This planet is basically a prison that has been crafted in such a way that Satan can do his best to get every man's soul. Until you accept Christ you are nothing more than a slave to the Archons.

[Radar]

That's not what I asked. I asked for a citation. I only believe in Scripture. If there's no evidence of it existing in a canonical work then it is not doctrine. Also, all those early gnostic writings with apostolic names are forgeries.

[Jimmy]

[CITATION NEEDED]

[Balls of Steel Forever]

R A D A Я, on 20 August 2020 - 04:40 PM, said:

I asked for a citation. I only believe in Scripture.

I'm fairly certain I gave you scripture and you responded with not scripture.