[dukefan4evah02]

Forge, on 05 January 2020 - 09:09 PM, said:

define harm.
every dollar given to support an illegal immigrant could be used to support a homeless U.S. citizen instead.
resources are NOT infinite, despite what utopian socialists would have you otherwise believe.
(and it's in the neighborhood of $135-150 billion annually that illegal immigrants cost US taxpayers - that's a lot of student loans & health care bills that could be taken care of for the natives).

That's why the likes of Jeff Bezos paying zero taxes for his bajillion dollar business is a serious problem. Trump takes stupendous care of America(rich/white/racist/uneducated America). I'm not saying the whole system doesn't need to be reworked. But if you're trying to argue that Trump isn't making matters even worse...well, good luck with that.

I'll get to the rest later.

[Hank]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

That's why the likes of Jeff Bezos paying zero taxes for his bajillion dollar business is a serious problem. Trump takes stupendous care of America(rich/white/racist/uneducated America). I'm not saying the whole system doesn't need to be reworked. But if you're trying to argue that Trump isn't making matters even worse...well, good luck with that.

I'll get to the rest later.

Trump reduced the corporate tax rate to 21% from 35%. ALL smart businesses benefited and employment in the USA is the lowest in 50 years. There were also tax reduction for the poor.

Amazon simply invested in good Tax Lawyers, and surprise, surprise, business reaps the profits.

[dukefan4evah02]

Hank, on 06 January 2020 - 06:39 AM, said:

Trump reduced the corporate tax rate to 21% from 35%. ALL smart businesses benefited and employment in the USA is the lowest in 50 years. There were also tax reduction for the poor.

Then why do all those rich, corrupt bankers and businessmen support him? I guess they're just idiots who don't want to hold onto every cent of their billions. And do you mean to say "unemployment is the lowest"? Maybe that's because so many American have to take multiple dead-end jobs just to make rent. God bless capitalism! Try welcoming the bigger picture instead of simply dwelling on skewered, incomplete statistics and misleading factoids.

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Amazon simply invested in good Tax Lawyers, and surprise, surprise, business reaps the profits.

Good lawyers can only do so much if a taxation is federally mandated. Too bad the President and Congress can't do anything about closing up loopholes!

[Mark]

Its not a complete picture to include only the $0 federal income tax figure. It sucks but they are using the same tax and legal system that was in place before Trump ever took office.

Amazon has paid out billions in other local and state taxes. Their 750,000 employees pay taxes. Here is an excerpt from a Forbes magazine article...
"First, a quick look at Amazon’s financial statements shows it does pay taxes. In 2017, Amazon paid close to $1 billion in income tax. In 2018, the amount jumped to $1.18 billion, accounting for local, state, and international taxes."


So don't lay your racist bullcrap on Trump. For you to even bring up race is proof that YOU are the racist. Your kind finds a way to play the race card in every argument.

Do you think a big reason for people working multiple dead end jobs is because they do not have the skills or education to better themselves? I do. I also know that the left has had control of the education system for decades. I don't know what your sources for news are but I have heard and read countless stories of failures of public schools in large democrat controlled cities. Teacher's unions fighting reforms every step of the way. There are exceptions but few and far between. Teaching social justice instead of the "3 R's" doesn't help either.

[Hank]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

Then why do all those rich, corrupt bankers and businessmen support him? I guess they're just idiots who don't want to hold onto every cent of their billions. And do you mean to say "unemployment is the lowest"? Maybe that's because so many American have to take multiple dead-end jobs just to make rent. God bless capitalism! Try welcoming the bigger picture instead of simply dwelling on skewered, incomplete statistics and misleading factoids.



Good lawyers can only do so much if a taxation is federally mandated. Too bad the President and Congress can't do anything about closing up loopholes!

I simply stated two facts; corporate tax rate and unemployment rate.
Feel free to spin it any which way.

And yes, God bless America, best country on the planet.

[Mark]

"The Labor Department has been collecting this since 1968, a time when only 13.5% of US employees were part-timers. That number peaked at 20.1% in January 2010. The latest data point, over nine years later, is lower at 17.0% last month." A ratio chart from that website showed fulltime percentage increasing during the last 3 years while the part time decreased. To keep it in context, the trend started in the Obama years after the recession. So if you wish to somehow skew that into trashing Trump, be sure to trash Obama too.

[Forge]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

Try welcoming the bigger picture instead of simply dwelling on skewered, incomplete statistics and misleading factoids.

mah feelz when facts and statistics don't back them up

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

Trump takes stupendous care of America(rich/white/racist/uneducated America).

yeah. no one is going to take you serious from this point forward.
good luck, and god speed

[dukefan4evah02]

Mark, on 06 January 2020 - 07:21 AM, said:

Its not a complete picture to include only the $0 federal income tax figure. It sucks but they are using the same tax and legal system that was in place before Trump ever took office.

Amazon has paid out billions in other local and state taxes. Their 750,000 employees pay taxes. Here is an excerpt from a Forbes magazine article...
"First, a quick look at Amazon’s financial statements shows it does pay taxes. In 2017, Amazon paid close to $1 billion in income tax. In 2018, the amount jumped to $1.18 billion, accounting for local, state, and international taxes."

True. But let's talk personal wealth vs. corporate wealth. Trump's tax cuts benefit the rich(read: top 1%) at an alarmingly disproportionate rate, tarnishing the pursuit of attaining any semblance of equity. I guess all poor or disadvantaged people must have done something to deserve their financial statuses, so they're just reaping what they've sewn?

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So don't lay your racist bullcrap on Trump. For you to even bring up race is proof that YOU are the racist. Your kind finds a way to play the race card in every argument.

A. Where's the racist bullcrap? Trump is a racist and large number of racists support him. Those are well-established facts which you seem rather uncomfortable with.
B. Me bringing up race isn't even remotely proof that I'm the "real" racist. I didn't call you a racist, nor I did I say all Trump supporters were racist.
C. My kind? LOL. You don't even know what "my kind" is...say something critical of our President and I'm just a race-baiting libtard blinded by my rage for Trump. Okay, buddy.
D. In his welcoming message, Trooper Dan advised that flaming isn't tolerated. Calling me a 'racist' with zero provocation or basis would likely fall under that category. So you should probably exercise some restraint if you'd prefer to remain without penalty.

But rather than just fling around labels, I'll be more than happy to talk about what makes Trump and his gang of deplorables unquestionably racist so you can in turn accuse me of being brainwashed by the mainstream media.

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Do you think a big reason for people working multiple dead end jobs is because they do not have the skills or education to better themselves? I do.

True enough. But it's a highly detrimental trajectory, cyclical from one generation to the next...yes, our country is increasingly punishing those who happened to fall into the misfortune of being born sans privilege.

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I also know that the left has had control of the education system for decades.

LOL. The 'left' is a pretty subjective term and covers a wide gamut. Would it be better if 'the right' (re?)gained control? E.g., the right who wants to teach creationism over evolution, enforce mandatory school prayer, and put an armed guard in every hallway, etc.

Is Betsy DeVos your amazing saving grace?

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I don't know what your sources for news are

Those pesky mainstream #FakeNews sources. I'm just too intimidated by the harsh, brutal realities disseminated by Fox News and Breitbart. I get triggered easily and need my safe space. Durrrr

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but I have heard and read countless stories of failures of public schools in large democrat controlled cities.

Uh, cities don't act as self-governing entities. They still have to answer to state and federal regulations and budgets. And yeah...I'm not saying the likes of Clinton and Obama did everything they could've or should've in terms of improving our education system. It's essentially a nonpartisan issue, but the Trump administration is pretty exceptional in its ineptitude.

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Teacher's unions fighting reforms every step of the way. There are exceptions but few and far between. Teaching social justice instead of the "3 R's" doesn't help either.

Yeah...everyone opposed to Trump wants our schools to preach fantastical PC nonsense. You can cherry-pick examples of outlandish instances of public education going fanatical SJW, but last I checked those three "R's(literally, if you were to ask our self-proclaimed stable genius who tweets about it in all caps) weren't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Forge]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

Maybe that's because so many American have to take multiple dead-end jobs

not how the unemployment rate is measured. Not even a factor.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

Trump is a racist and large number of racists support him. Those are well-established facts which you seem rather uncomfortable with.

non-buzzfeed citation needed

[Forge]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

Uh, cities don't act as self-governing entities. They still have to answer to state and federal regulations and budgets.

uh, yeah they do. Every school district has it's own budget. That's part of what your property tax is supposed to pay for.
They also dictate their own curriculum. There are national and state mandates for certain subjects, but each district is left to their own accord on teaching methods and additional courses.

you really should stop with the feelz. reality is kicking your ass

[dukefan4evah02]

Forge, on 06 January 2020 - 08:27 AM, said:

mah feelz when facts and statistics don't back them up

Do you know what 'context' means? Singling out partial truths in order to propagate your own set narratives won't get you very far in the real world.

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yeah. no one is going to take you serious from this point forward.
good luck, and god speed

Yes, because that's exactly what you say when you dub yourself the winner of a debate. Rather than counteract a perceived unjust proclamation with complete facts, citations, and unabridged proof...I'll just snarkily draw an absolution with the inference that my opponents absurdities speak for themselves and then send them on their merry way.

Complacency is rarely ever an admirable trait, but with that "good luck" you'll be able to garner quite an extensive crowd of those who'll subscribe to such argumentative tactics.

'No one is going to take me serious[sic]' sounds like a weak cop out from someone who doesn't want to address an unenviable, prevalent truth. But I'll come back later with my fake sources on Trump and his elitist racism. It'll be fun. Maybe even for you, too.

[Forge]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 11:08 AM, said:

Yes, because that's exactly what you say when you dub yourself the winner of a debate. Rather than counteract a perceived unjust proclamation with complete facts, citations, and unabridged proof...I'll just snarkily draw an absolution with the inference that my opponents absurdities speak for themselves and then send them on their merry way.

still waiting on those relevant and reliable citations to back your outlandish claims...................................


sorry that your bait is cheap
maybe if you didn't have to work two dead-end jobs to pay for them, you could afford better trolls
if you and your twitter friends pool your resources like good little socialist it may be possible to rub together two feelz and get a spark of authenticity

interesting how a nobody from nowhere can come in here and try to get our threads locked

[dukefan4evah02]

Forge, on 06 January 2020 - 11:10 AM, said:

still waiting on those relevant and reliable citations to back your outlandish claims...................................


sorry that your bait is cheap
maybe if you didn't have to work two dead-end jobs to pay for them, you could afford better trolls
if you and your twitter friends pool your resources like good little socialist it may be possible to rub together two feelz and get a spark of authenticity

interesting how a nobody from nowhere can come in here and try to get our threads locked

Each and every one of your assumptions are wrong. You make a good Trump supporter, that's for sure. See something that doesn't jive with your preconceived notions of the way things are and then proceed to profile whilst implementing rash extrapolations that don't hold any water in the least. And we're the ones who are "snowflakes"? lol

Would your head explode if I told you I was a white guy in the one percentile who doesn't want any thread locked because I believe freedom of speech also covers those whom you disagree with? Sorry to shatter your expectations. I'm not a communist, either.

[Mark]

I hope he has done this much homework on the Democrats and racism. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Black Lives Matter. Like their "bigotry of soft expectations". Always telling minorities they are victims of the system. Incapable of solving their own problems and that ( democrat controlled ) government is the solution.

In your previous reply to one of my posts you agreed with me on a few issues. There is hope. Also, I'm glad you took time to respond to a post of mine. I was beginning to feel left out.

[Forge]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

You make a good Trump supporter, that's for sure.

solidifying your position as feelz over reality

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

I'm not a communist, either.

communists and socialists are not the same thing
one is a class system, the other is an economic system.

the opaque is becoming clear on why you project your racism and lack of economics knowledge

[dukefan4evah02]

Forge, on 06 January 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

solidifying your position as feelz over reality

Sounds like a bunch of B(en)S(hapiro).

You can say it.

You can repeat it.

Won't ever make it true.

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communists and socialists are not the same thing
one is a class system, the other is an economic system.

Never said they were. I happen to be neither. You called me a 'socialist', minus any rhyme or reason, so I could only deduce that you'd assume I was also a communist. Plenty of Trump-lovers scream about anyone who dislikes their idol being anti-American, a communist, a socialist, etc. But I suppose you're slightly more dignified and nuanced.

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the opaque is becoming clear on why you project your racism and lack of economics knowledge

So....if it's facts over 'feelz', what have I espoused that was racist?

[Forge]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

So....if it's facts over 'feelz', what have I espoused that was racist?

constantly defaulting to "racism" as the defense of - 'i dislike that person', but failing to provide reliable citations or proof is a psychological condition usually referred to as "projecting".

[dukefan4evah02]

Forge, on 06 January 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

constantly defaulting to "racism" as the defense of - 'i dislike that person', but failing to provide reliable citations or proof is a psychological condition usually referred to as "projecting".

No. 100% nonfactual. You may not believe Trump is a racist, so therefore I might be maliciously disingenuous or innocently mistaken...but to embark on the massive nosedive of a leap to classify it as "projection"?

There is plenty available on public record to indicate that Donald is racist, as well as a direct correlation to other more overt racists who gravitate towards him.

This silly little charade of: "What, Trump a racist? Well, I never! Therefore, you are the true racist!!" isn't really fooling anyone who cares to hold an honest and constructive dialogue.

Often times when someone - perhaps only subconsciously - is cognizant of being in the wrong, they need to resort to deflection by spinning things around with caustic accusations whilst invoking faulty "logic" stemming from their skewered interpretations of psychology.

Does this apply to you? Dunno...I'm not gonna be like you and try to connect a bunch of dots in a feeble attempt at fitting what might be a desirable mold before I have concrete evidence.

I'll get around to showing you water is wet that Donald Trump is racist, but this war of semantics is rather stimulating for the time being.

[Mark]

Part of the problem with racism discussions is that the definition of the word racist is being changed/expanded/thrown around to the point where it starts to become meaningless. ( at least to conservatives ) It came to a head when ANY criticism of Obama was deemed racist. We couldn't possibly disagree with his policies so it had to be racism. The media punched that into overdrive.

And i'm sorry for the quick hit and run posts but I'm currently working on my pickup truck outside and occasionally have to come inside for a few minutes to warm up.

[dukefan4evah02]

Mark, on 06 January 2020 - 12:58 PM, said:

Part of the problem with racism discussions is that the definition of the word racist is being changed/expanded/thrown around to the point where it starts to become meaningless. ( at least to conservatives ) It came to a head when ANY criticism of Obama was deemed racist. We couldn't possibly disagree with his policies so it had to be racism. The media punched that into overdrive.

And i'm sorry for the quick hit and run posts but I'm currently working on my pickup truck outside and occasionally have to come inside for a few minutes to warm up.

100% true. I voted twice for Obama. But he wasn't perfect. Calling out his flaws doesn't automatically make me a racist. If someone is gonna call me a 'racist' or a 'sexist' or a 'homophobe', etc. just because I happen to levy any criticism at all against an individual of whatever said minority is a shitty precedence to live by.

Delving into the nature of what the complaints are and whether or not it's racially charged or motivated and why is nowadays paramount in solving a problem, as opposed to just bickering.

Suffice to say, were I running for public office...this is not how I would conduct myself.

I'll bring my summation of Trump's racism later, but I guess I need to get back to my 2nd dead-end job right now.

[Danukem]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

Then why do all those rich, corrupt bankers and businessmen support him? I guess they're just idiots who don't want to hold onto every cent of their billions. And do you mean to say "unemployment is the lowest"? Maybe that's because so many American have to take multiple dead-end jobs just to make rent. God bless capitalism!

I don't blame Forge for assuming you are a socialist when you say "God bless capitalism!" sarcastically in a rant against bankers and businessmen. If someone makes comments in opposition to capitalism and businessmen, then it's natural to assume that person is a anti-capitalist, and since socialism is the most common anti-capitialist label, expect that label to be applied unless you have supplied a reason not to. Arguing that you are only referring to "corrupt" businessmen doesn't help, since it just sounds like you are going to define anyone who supports certain Trump policies as being corrupt for supporting those policies. Again, we have nothing better to go on. It's not like you came out and clarified what your specific views are.

I do think that Forge is engaging in some name-calling and baiting here [i.e. throughout various posts]. He's making more assumptions about you than I would, that's for sure. It's tough because he's my friend, but I can see how this is getting more flamey as the bickering goes on. I don't like locking threads, and I want to be able to have political discussions at duke4.net.

Please keep it away from the personal, guys. You can make any ridiculous claims you want about statistics and make terrible, fallacious arguments at each other, but try to avoid personal attacks or making unwarranted assumptions about each other that will be perceived as personal attacks.

[Radar]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

That's why the likes of Jeff Bezos paying zero taxes for his bajillion dollar business is a serious problem.

Because Jeff Bezos is left-wing hack who runs the Washington Post and support $15 minimum wage in order to quash his competition. He's a corporate shill, not a capitalist.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

Trump takes stupendous care of America(rich/white/racist/uneducated America).

CNN - September 2019 - Black Unemployment Rate Falls To A Record Low

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

I'm not saying the whole system doesn't need to be reworked. But if you're trying to argue that Trump isn't making matters even worse...well, good luck with that.

[CITATION NEEDED]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

Then why do all those rich, corrupt bankers and businessmen support him?

NEVER FORGET THIS MAP

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

I guess they're just idiots who don't want to hold onto every cent of their billions. And do you mean to say "unemployment is the lowest"? Maybe that's because so many American have to take multiple dead-end jobs just to make rent.

Are you seriously repeating AOC talking points? Americans having 2 jobs raises unemployment, because it results in fewer jobs in the marketplace. You don't know jack about economics.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

God bless capitalism! Try welcoming the bigger picture instead of simply dwelling on skewered, incomplete statistics and misleading factoids.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

Good lawyers can only do so much if a taxation is federally mandated. Too bad the President and Congress can't do anything about closing up loopholes!

While I agree with closing tax loopholes, be aware that you'll never quash the threat of offshore bank accounts. Then where does all the funding for sOcIaLiSt PrOgRaMs come from?

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

True. But let's talk personal wealth vs. corporate wealth. Trump's tax cuts benefit the rich(read: top 1%) at an alarmingly disproportionate rate, tarnishing the pursuit of attaining any semblance of equity. I guess all poor or disadvantaged people must have done something to deserve their financial statuses, so they're just reaping what they've sewn?

INSTANT BOOM: American Businesses Announce Major Bonuses For Employees Because Of Trump Tax Reform

[Radar]

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

A. Where's the racist bullcrap? Trump is a racist and large number of racists support him. Those are well-established facts which you seem rather uncomfortable with.
B. Me bringing up race isn't even remotely proof that I'm the "real" racist. I didn't call you a racist, nor I did I say all Trump supporters were racist.
C. My kind? LOL. You don't even know what "my kind" is...say something critical of our President and I'm just a race-baiting libtard blinded by my rage for Trump. Okay, buddy.
D. In his welcoming message, Trooper Dan advised that flaming isn't tolerated. Calling me a 'racist' with zero provocation or basis would likely fall under that category. So you should probably exercise some restraint if you'd prefer to remain without penalty.

But rather than just fling around labels, I'll be more than happy to talk about what makes Trump and his gang of deplorables unquestionably racist so you can in turn accuse me of being brainwashed by the mainstream media.

Imagine being so racist that you win a diversity award next to Rosa Parks and Mohammed Ali.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

True enough. But it's a highly detrimental trajectory, cyclical from one generation to the next...yes, our country is increasingly punishing those who happened to fall into the misfortune of being born sans privilege.

It is a privilege to be born American.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

LOL. The 'left' is a pretty subjective term and covers a wide gamut. Would it be better if 'the right' (re?)gained control? E.g., the right who wants to teach creationism over evolution, enforce mandatory school prayer, and put an armed guard in every hallway, etc.

Is Betsy DeVos your amazing saving grace?

Less kids were in prison when more Bibles were in schools.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

Those pesky mainstream #FakeNews sources. I'm just too intimidated by the harsh, brutal realities disseminated by Fox News and Breitbart. I get triggered easily and need my safe space. Durrrr

Try InfoWars.com

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

Would your head explode if I told you I was a white guy in the one percentile who doesn't want any thread locked because I believe freedom of speech also covers those whom you disagree with? Sorry to shatter your expectations.

Good man, please convince your liberal friends of the same thing.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

Sounds like a bunch of B(en)S(hapiro).

You can say it.

You can repeat it.

Won't ever make it true.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

dukefan4evah02, on 06 January 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

I'll bring my summation of Trump's racism later, but I guess I need to get back to my 2nd dead-end job right now.

Be thankful while you have one.


Ok I need to take a break lol.

[Hendricks266]

Radar 100 Watts, on 06 January 2020 - 02:40 PM, said:

Bullshit. Land doesn't vote.

[Forge]

Hendricks266, on 06 January 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:

Bullshit. Land doesn't vote.

good job
you are aware that those are voting districts, right?
Your map basically shows where the population is amassed in those districts

[Forge]

Trooper Dan, on 06 January 2020 - 02:06 PM, said:

You can make any ridiculous claims you want about statistics and make terrible, fallacious arguments at each other

citation needed

[Radar]

Totally agreed Evan. I was responding to his "rich, corrupt bankers and businessmen" claim. Sounds like he's referring to coastal elitists who vote majority left. Not sure how that demographic is represented among rural America and midwest auto workers.

[Danukem]

[INSERT STANDARD TALKING POINTS ABOUT DIRECT REPRESENTATION AT NATIONAL LEVEL VERSUS STATES RIGHTS]

[Forge]

Trooper Dan, on 06 January 2020 - 03:05 PM, said:

[INSERT STANDARD TALKING POINTS ABOUT DIRECT REPRESENTATION AT NATIONAL LEVEL VERSUS STATES RIGHTS]

[Forge]

Trump's tax policy is okay, but there are some issues.
The pyramid seems inverse. The bottom 80% only get a 1.7% tax cut, while the top 20% get a 3.2% tax cut & the top 1% get a 6.5% tax cut.
something is better than nothing, but the 80% are what drive the economy, so they should get the higher %. (the top % usually re-invest it into their business, so it's not all bad).
the potential pitfall is an accelerated national debt since there was an increase in govt spending instead of a decrees to match the reduction in tax intake.

Trumps' environmental policy is mostly bad.
removing the requirement for power companies to reduce emissions by 32% by 2030 is good for the industrial and energy complex, but there still should be emphasis on finding alternate cleaner energy.
I'm no tree-hugger, but:
it reduces the quality of air and water
it puts off innovation in those green energy fields. The US should be leading the way - so we make the money off of it instead of letting some EU dictator set the standard.

Trump's foreign policy needs work
stop listening to those shitty mccain-clinton styled neocons & get the hell out of syria & the middle-east. Fuck china & russia, they want the headache so bad, let them have it.

otherwise I have no major issue with orange man. He'll do his time & eventually leave office.