
Duke Nukem 3D Shareware CDs thread
#1 Posted 13 March 2019 - 08:47 AM
I am in possession of original Duke Nukem 3D Shareware Episode CD. This CD comes with fncy installer that let you install two games, either Duke Nukem 3D Shareware Episode v1.1 or Terminal Velocity Shareware Episode v1.2. Has anyone has this CD as well?
Also is there any other version of Shareware CD? such as original CD of v1.0 or v1.3D shreware? If they exist, are they avaible somewhere to get them at leasst in ISO format, note even if they were "Retail" SHAREWARE they were still Shareware, so no mind about sharing them here. On Archive.org i found exactly the same ISO copy of my Duke Nukem 3D Shareware Episode v1.1.
Also is there any other "unofficial" shareware or demos for Duke3D? I know that on topic "Demo Versions of Build Games" someone posted weird Shareware version of Duke3D cut to 3 levels. Shareware/Demos like this are also welcome to be shared here as well.
And what about Shadow Warrior Shareware CD? This one i can't find on Archive.org though...
Thank you.
#2 Posted 16 March 2019 - 01:37 AM
Gingis Khan, on 13 March 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:
I remember downloading this from archive.org, here it is:
https://archive.org/...em_3D_Shareware
I haven't heard of other physical CD releases. The version on the CD is exactly the same as the download version save for the installer, so there was no problem patching it to 1.3D with the regular shareware patch. I believe this alone makes the probability of a later official re-release very slight.
There could've been third-party CD releases of Duke3D but I'm not aware of any at this moment.
Gingis Khan, on 13 March 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:
Just a theoretical side note, I remember that the retail CD shareware of Blood had an explicit clause in the readme/license forbidding third-party distribution, even though it doesn't actually have any more content compared to the electronic distribution version (no cinematics or anything). But the executable is different and there's a different set of patches for Blood retail shareware
I'm pretty certain that the no redistribution clause was to prevent creation and selling of unauthorised copies of the CD, and not to disallow users who hadn't paid for the CD from getting the shareware version, but still we should observe it if we want to play by the rules.
The idea is, something is eligible for redistribution, shareware or otherwise, if you don't have any explicit direction to the contrary in the official docs.
Gingis Khan, on 13 March 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:
IIRC the three-level demo was a hack by a French gaming magazine. It's essentially shareware v1.1 (I think) but for whichever reason the executable has been modified to ignore E1L4 to E1L6. Basically you finish E1L3 and are thrown back to E1L1. I have zero idea why this was done because the shareware version was available at that time already, it wasn't a leak or anything.
On the other hand, the Macintosh demo of Duke3D is a legit three-level version, with no other levels in the data file except E1L1 to E1L3. The demo GRP is recognised by EDuke32 so you can play it if you want (no MIDI music though).
There's also the exclusive one-level demo that was released by the Computer Gaming World magazine, more info here.
Gingis Khan, on 13 March 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:
Good question! Actually this made me remember that there's an excellent source on these things: a German website called Online Games DatenBank (OGDB). They list a shareware CD version of SW by GT Interactive (obviously):
https://ogdb.eu/inde...me&gameid=19551
According to the site this was a boxed release (shareware v1.1) with a manual and a coupon (probably rebate for the retail version, as was customary back in the day).
OGDB is focused on physical releases of games, you can look up quite a few entries for Shadow Warrior for example:
https://ogdb.eu/inde...tle&titleid=138
The database has two shareware releases of Duke3D:
- FormGen US release (incl. subscription forms for Computer Gaming World and PC Entertainment magazines, $10.00 rebate coupon for the full version)
- U.S. Gold Duke Nukem Plus compilation (UK) (full version of Duke Nukem II plus Duke3D and Terminal velocity shareware)
#3 Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:18 AM
Also sorry but i am not good at legal stuff, i don't understand why that Blood Retail Shareware has several restrictions on distribution, as far i know shareware is meant to be free demo trial or limited game to Episode one. I understand some sharewares were sold for lesser price then registered versions of their respective games, as developers made money of it, but still i don't understand hy some Retail Shareware are strict on this like they were registeed versions. Sorry again i suck at this legal stuff, so i may sound like noob on this subject.
Speaking of Duke Nukem 3D various share/demo versions, yes i remember trying that 3-level Shareware v1.1 of Duke Nukem 3D from that French magazine. As far i actually remember, DUKE3D.EXE wasn't hacked but USER.CON was to send to E1L1 afte you beat E1L3. E1L1 in that case still played Toxic Dump music and it was titled Toxic Dump. As well i used GroupStudio.exe to check out DUKE3D.GRP date and it contain all the same stuff original v1.1 shareware DUKE3D.GRP did, with only difference that E1L4-E1L6 maps were renamed to some dots like this: ........ so they are unaccessable but still present in files.
On other hand that v1.1 from CGW Magazine One Level Demo Version of Duke Nukem 3D was actually made by some missunderstanding as CGW wanted exclusive level for their demo but 3D Realms gave them just cut version to first level. BTW, worth thing of mentionging that this version is actually v1.2, not v1.1, but is still titled v1.1. Unlike french magazine version, this one has really original v1.1 Duke3D.grp but its CON files now features more stuff like Devastator (called Cycloid Weapon in v1.2) as well as first apperance of Overlord working code (actual v1.1 and v1.0 versions of Duke3D only contained Battlelord and unfinished Cycloid Emperor code) in this so called v1.1, actually v1.2, Flamethrower is seen to be replaced with Freezethrower already. There is more interesting stuff about it but I can't remember all now.
Speaking of actual CD Releases of Duke Nukem 3D Shareware Episode, i really wonded that only Shareware CD distributed was version 1.1 or there was more older (v1.0) or newer (v1.3D) version had their Shareware CD releases as well. If i understood good, there is no such a versions, as it wasn't neccesary due the patches available online.
BTW. a bit off topic, a side from Alpha/Beta screenshots game in action, was there even single or few screenshots showing actual registerved versions of Duke Nukem 3D v1.0, v1.1 or v1.2 anywhere? Also same for Shadow Warrior, was there any screenshots showing Shadow Warrior Registered v1.0 or v1.1 in action?
Speaking of Shadow Warrior Shareware CD i am really curious that those German sites you mentioned do contain download link of an ISO file, or they just show info and promotion of them?
Thank you for your reply @MrFlibble
#4 Posted 23 March 2019 - 04:21 AM
Gingis Khan, on 16 March 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:
There are no downloads (most of them would be outright piracy mind you), this is an information database only. Their Q&A actually states that this database is intended for collectors of physical game releases, and archiving CD ISOs is clearly outside the scope of this goal.
Gingis Khan, on 16 March 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:
The distribution terms of any release of any game are governed by the respective end-user license agreement (EULA). Simply designating a certain release as shareware alone is not sufficient to establish distribution rights granted to end-users. You'll notice that absolutely every shareware release contains a license file which has quite a few details, in many cases including for example a clause that prohibits the inclusion of said shareware on CD compilations without prior permission from the developers.
There were reasons why the retail shareware version of Blood was not allowed for distribution, I believe (but I may be wrong) that this was aimed at preventing third parties from making money by selling unauthorised copies of the CD. The end-users still could get the free downloadable version with exactly the same content save for the CGI cutscenes.
The CD shareware version of Quake is another story because it actually contains the full game which could be unlocked by purchasing a code from id Software.
Gingis Khan, on 16 March 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:
I might be wrong but IIRC the registered versions 1.0 and 1.1 of Duke3D did not exist except as WIP development builds. The folks here who have (had) access to the 3DR archives may correct me on this though.
As for Shadow Warrior IIRC there were some shots published either at the Apogee/3D Realms website or the official website (shadowwarrior.com). I have uploaded what I could find via the Wayback Machine at MobyGames but I think there are no images that would be showing registered episode levels dating from May 1997 or later which would imply versions corresponding to shareware v1.0 and v1.1.
#5 Posted 27 March 2019 - 04:24 AM
Speaking more of shareware CDs, yeah that's some interesting stuff too. I still understand when shareware CD is sold, that it do requires a license to be respected, but still i found weird this because both shareware of Duke3D that can be downloaded from the internet and one found on CD, have very same resources and data and i couldn't find any difference. As speaking of French magazine version that is cut to 3 levels, it is probably that they did this to make 3D Realms allow them to sold the game or something. This is my point.
Still for some reason, but probably i confused something, i think i saw Duke Nukem 3D v1.0 Shareware being available on Archive.org, so i was thought there was other Shareware CD versions of Duke Nukem 3D, not just v1.1 shareware, but now i think i probably confused something. This is why i made this thread in first place. Thanks for answers.
#6 Posted 28 March 2019 - 03:54 AM
Gingis Khan, on 27 March 2019 - 04:24 AM, said:
Nice catch, I never noticed that before. It's a screenshot from the official 3D Realms website (can be still seen here), but it is not easy to establish when exactly it was taken or uploaded.
From what I understand, it is technically not entirely correct to talk about v1.0 or v1.1 registered, as there were no public registered releases prior to v1.2. It is my understanding that there were several WIP builds of the non-shareware game that more or less corresponded to the shareware v1.0 and v1.1 code-wise, but without access to the 3DR archives it is not even possible to tell how many such releases there were.
According to the development updates page from the 3DR website (Wayback Machine copy), the registered version was declared finished on 22 August 1997:
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IT'S DONE!
The registered version has been completed. After a final exhaustive night of testing on August the 21st, the game was declared "finished" by producer George Broussard around midnight.
For comparison, shareware v1.0 was released on 13 May 1997 and shareware v1.1 on 26 May 1997. The July 1997 update page states that the original intent was to finish game development by 1 August:
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I think it is quite safe to conclude from this that complete registered versions 1.0 and 1.1 never existed, at least in the same sense as the registered v1.2 release.
This is further compounded by the fact that there is simply no telling when the screenshots from the official website were taken, even if we pinpoint the date when they appeared on the site. There are only indirect clues like the sky texture colour that you spotted which might give some idea of the approximate date, because Joe Siegler or whoever picked the screenshots for publication certainly chose those that looked cool, as opposed being accurate to the final release.
#7 Posted 29 March 2019 - 06:58 AM
BTW, do they have similar "update sites" for Duke Nukem releases as well?
#8 Posted 29 March 2019 - 11:37 AM
Gingis Khan, on 29 March 2019 - 06:58 AM, said:
There may be no actual builds of these versions in the 3DR archive. I remember Hendricks266 mentioning somewhere that there are more source code snapshots than actual builds.
Keep in mind that a game's development cycle involves a lot of testing and tweaking. I have no idea how many times the code was changed and intermediate builds were made to test it. AFAIK, code snapshots were archived at regular intervals (possibly decided upon in advance), while intermittent builds were not all preserved.
It is also my understanding (but someone with more knowledge on the subject please correct me if I'm in error here) that at a certain point when the shareware version of SW was being prepared for release it was actually forked from the main code trunk and worked upon separately, as it would become a finished product on its own while the full game was still being developed further. This branch was synchronised with the main trunk of course but different things took priority, like polishing shareware content while more or less ignoring stuff that was specific to the registered version.
This means that possibly, at no time any intermediate development builds existed that would strictly match the code base of either shareware v1.0 and v1.1.
Gingis Khan, on 29 March 2019 - 06:58 AM, said:
There must have been, but I'm not sure if the Wayback Machine preserved the snapshots. I think I dug up something a while ago but can't remember exactly at this moment.
There are even Blood updates back from the time when it was still developed by 3DR. However for Duke, the 3DR catalogue page links to the Duke3D page that was established post-release and there are no links to any dev updates. The problem is that the Wayback Machine scarcely has any snapshots from before late-1996, whereas the first shareware release of Duke3D is from January 1996. There's the news page from Apogee's website which mentions the release of Duke3D shareware v1.1 but the snapshot itself is from October 1996.
#9 Posted 29 March 2019 - 12:07 PM
I also have a Focus branded CD with shareware 1.1, that disc isn't special aside from the fact it contains a full version of Duke Nukem II that I don't think it's supposed to, being a shareware disc. It is a slightly earlier version of the game without a couple of the startup screens and I think a few insignificant bytes differ in the CMP file, obviously I can't share that because piracy and stuff.
Edit: Ack! Excuse my lack of reading comprehension, sleep deprivation does strange things to a person's brain. Ah well, I'll leave the post intact for anyone who didn't already have those and wants to mess with them, but I have no old news pages or anything.
This post has been edited by High Treason: 29 March 2019 - 12:25 PM
#10 Posted 30 March 2019 - 05:48 AM


@High Treason Well i haven't played Hocus but info you you explaines sounds interesting. Thank you for sharing that 3D Realms link, even if i already have most of those versions

#11 Posted 30 March 2019 - 07:20 AM
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#12 Posted 09 April 2019 - 06:15 AM
Radar, on 30 March 2019 - 07:20 AM, said:
Interesting. i only got orignal 3D Realms Duke Nukem 3D Shareware CD that contains Duke3D v1.1 shareware and Terminal Velocity v1.2 shareware, they both can be chosen in some blue colored fancy installer, which CD of Duke Nukem 3D complete registered version lacked for some reason, and instead it had basic DOS setup-like interface rather than fnacy one used in Shareware CD.
#13 Posted 09 April 2019 - 08:33 AM
Gingis Khan, on 09 April 2019 - 06:15 AM, said:
Actually I wondered about that as well.
#14 Posted 09 April 2019 - 11:03 AM
#15 Posted 09 April 2019 - 04:28 PM
#16 Posted 13 April 2019 - 06:05 AM
#17 Posted 14 April 2019 - 11:23 PM
CDV was the official publisher for some US games in Germany, most prominent ones being Doom, Doom II and Duke3D (before they were put on the "index"). They started back in the 90s with putting shareware on disks/CDs and selling them for small fees to people without internet. You could usually also order full versions from them, like "Alien Carnage", the "Commander Keen" series, "Hocus Pocus", "Raptor", "Wacky Wheels" and others. Around 2000 they started developing games by themselves as well, however not very successfully (rather embarrassing "erotic" adventures mostly with very little commercial success like "Lula: The Sexy Empire" or "Lula 3D"). They went bankrupt in 2010.
Note the pre-release screenshots on the cover which show levels that were never part of the final product.
The description/story on the back of the cover in German translates as follows:
"It all went really fast: Ruthless aliens landed on Earth - and shortly after, humans were on the list of endangered species! Chances are 1:1 million - but DUKE NUKEM knows what he has to do...
The Duke Nukem saga continues! Now in undreamt-of quality with newly developed 3D engine! Forget anything you have seen until now! VESA high resolution with 320x200 up to 800x600 pixels. Flying, crouching, diving, swimming, jumping, leaping, lifelike 3D feeling, shadows, fire, rats, bullet holes in walls, destructable objects, mirror images and deceivingly real environment noises - you don't know where to stop! Fight in front of the Hollywood skyline in a futuristic Los Angeles, visit the local movie theater (including a cinema show), don't get distracted by the flickering lights of the disco or in the peep show - just have one goal: the liberation of the city."
From what I can see on the CD, all it's doing is loading a small DOS GUI to unpack a zipfile to disk with Duke3D v1.0 shareware, containing an extra text file ("bestell.txt") with an order form for the full version of the game (or others offered by CDV back then). That custom installer didn't work for me in DOSBox, but what's inside of the zipfile seems to be OK if you just unpack it manually.
If anybody is interested in this, I could provide an ISO of the CD (it's just 12 MB), but in the end there's nothing new to see, just good old v1.0 shareware with some German installer menu built around it. Nothing else, just that. Still a curious find and potentially valuable for historic purposes, I guess. Oh, and I have a similar disc for Hexen shareware.
This post has been edited by NightFright: 14 April 2019 - 11:53 PM
#18 Posted 15 April 2019 - 04:11 AM
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#20 Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:16 PM
They also used these shots on the box for the retail version (1.3D), btw. I was lucky enough to buy it from CDV before it disappeared from retail and online vendors lists. Duke Atomic I was only able to buy directly from 3DR. Had no credit card back then, sent cash (in USD I had exchanged at the bank) from Germany to Texas. Geez, those were pioneer times!
I got the custom CDV installer working after all, btw. If you copy everything to disk, mount that as root dir and run the batch file, everything works fine. The error during installation only occurs when trying to run the whole thing directly from CD. Curious glitch, no idea if that worked better on a system from the 90s. It still doesn't matter if you use the installer or not, the zipfile really contains everything. 628 MB wasted on that CD due to not being used. Unbelievable almost. 😆
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#21 Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:28 PM
Seems like an EP2 map but it has those double doors that remind me of L1 from lameduke.
More strangely seems to have slopes too?
#22 Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:36 PM
All these screens should be known however and were published in some form elsewhere ages ago already, though. It looks more exciting than it actually is, I'm afraid.
This post has been edited by NightFright: 15 April 2019 - 12:42 PM
#23 Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:41 PM
I'm sure those shots were in the misc knowledge thread at some point, but even if they were the links probably died by now due to image hosts being invariably crappy. I mean damn, in my time on this forum I've used and seen ImageShack, PhotoBucket, PostImg and Imgur all go to hell, not to mention the ones everyone else was using.
#24 Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:56 PM
#25 Posted 15 April 2019 - 12:58 PM
#26 Posted 15 April 2019 - 01:08 PM
The other disc with Hexen shareware is also like that, but has some other shareware games coming with it.
#27 Posted 15 April 2019 - 10:51 PM
Duke3D v1.0 Shareware CDV Edition (ISO, 12 MB)
Highres pic of CD cover (JPG, 5.8 MB)
Regarding the ISO:
As mentioned, it's best if you use e.g. 7-Zip to unpack the ISO to a place on your disk, mount that folder as drive in DosBox and run start.bat from there. Alternatively, just skip the DOS installer and unzip duke3d.zip in the zip subdir.
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#28 Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:58 AM
NightFright, on 15 April 2019 - 10:51 PM, said:
Hmm, I believe that the top and the middle shot in the leftmost column are unfamiliar to me, as well as the one in the middle right (seems like it's showing The Abyss?).
The one in the top centre seems like an shot taken from the actual shareware (E1L2 obviously) while playing at 640x480 and then shrunk, seeing as how the Troopers have the correct aspect ration unlike the 320x200 images.
The centred shotgun can be seen on a few other screenshots, IIRC none of them were found in digital form yet.
#29 Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:24 AM
MrFlibble, on 16 April 2019 - 01:58 AM, said:
The one in the top centre seems like an shot taken from the actual shareware (E1L2 obviously) while playing at 640x480 and then shrunk, seeing as how the Troopers have the correct aspect ration unlike the 320x200 images.
The centred shotgun can be seen on a few other screenshots, IIRC none of them were found in digital form yet.
In the top center one with the ripper the muzzleflashes are different (a bit bigger) to the shareware or any demo, so must be an earlier alpha.
#30 Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:37 AM
But the weapons depicted on that screenshots are also interesting. The shotgun reminds me a bit of the one in Acclaim's "Alien Trilogy" for the PS1.
I also like the center screenshot, the shape of the skyscraper in the background and the way the pigcop is blown away by the explosion. Looks very dynamic and movie-like.
This post has been edited by NightFright: 16 April 2019 - 11:41 AM