[Mikko]

[Inspector Lagomorf]

What Mikko said.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

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[OpenMaw]

The problem... You see, is that most people are probably having trouble seeing how you possibly hope to get a team together to work on projects when you yourself haven't actually demonstrated anything in either of these threads.


Secondly... No. Just. No. A remake of Hollywood Holocaust? Not a bad idea. They've done similar things with Knee Deep in the Dead for Zdoom. Which was pretty damn good. The thing there was a very intense upgrade of the original levels to something much closer to what modern level design (in terms of detail) could do.

You can't just say... "I HAVE THIS GREAT IDEA GUYS!... Let's make this huge ass project which requires talent I don't yet have, so what i'm really saying is. I have this idea, now you can all do the work to make it happen! Step One. Step Two. ???? ... PROFIT!"


What you need to do with this, if you really want to get people excited, and willing to come on board? Proof of content. Or, proof of concept. Take a location from the original episode, maybe a series of locations. Maybe just one level, and do what you think should be done to make it meet the needs of this project.

Then come back with that in hand, and you will probably get some peoples attention. People around here are all working on projects of their own, or have very specialized skills that they don't just hand out willy-nilly.

[t800]

Achenar, on 10 September 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

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You forgot to add: "Wooohooo! I love this topic!"

[LeoD]

LakiSoft, on 10 September 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

You mean i should say what have to be done on which map? That will not be a problem. I will EDIT my post. Or i have better idea. Let's i make remake of hollywood holocaust and then people will get you inspired to make remake of others. You mean that?

No one of the experienced guys will jump on your train until you prove that you are able to significantly contribute to your own project. Even then I'm somewhat sure that most of them have more than enough ideas on their own which just can't come true due to the lack of spare time.
You might want to read somewhat similar (to me) threads which might explain why no one shouts hooray on this topic:
http://forums.duke4....ident-evil-2-tc
http://forums.duke4....1-i-am-a-newbie

[Micky C]

I'd much rather see the pro mappers work on original and new content then trying to remake old levels. Between Duke Nukem Eternity and Metropolitan Mayhem I think we've got this front covered.

[Hendricks266]

10 days, 5 threads.

This project is doomed. Not only is it way out of your league, you have a typical newbie assumption that people from the community with talent will flock to your half-baked ideas to help you.

More importantly, the original levels are balanced in their current state. The most modification I could see would be adding the registered weapons only in DM, and that is not a full-scale project like this. Changing the textures, enemies, level order and so on is just not necessary. The lack of harder enemies is part of a difficulty curve to introduce you to the game (beyond them just being absent without purchasing the game).

[CruX]

...Isn't there some kind of legal issue with remaking the original levels anyway?

[Micky C]

There should be no problem as long as people still require the duke3d.grp to play them, which they will of course.

[Jimmy]

Only if you're using the original maps as a base. It's not like 3D Realms owns the rights to make levels in movie theaters.

[Micky C]

What about Duke's Nightmare by the Commander?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

I think it's clear that Levelord is beyond the point of caring whether or not someone filches his map design, though I guess the same can't be said for Gearbox. Giving credit when due perhaps might be prudent (I have seen original map remakes/revisions before that credit the original designers).

As Micky C above pointed out, if one were to include a copy of a mostly unedited DUKE3D.GRP in a mod, that would be considered piracy, more so than an altered map.

[Micky C]

No I mean it's not like we're letting people play the levels for free, they still need the game.

And as for DNF's levels, you can't copyright a straight line

[NNC]

What's your point? Remaking the levels like Fernando Marquez' New York Rebellion episode, or expanding the original ones with PP content, enemies, weapons?

If you choose the former, show something of your own before you ask for help. If you choose the latter, I don't think you need help. Changing a pigcop sprite to an enforcer or addig various PP textures doesn't need that much of a work really.

I expanded Sewer and Sweeney in a few hours and released them just for fun, also my reasons were a little better since those maps were unfinished. LA Meltdown is finished and not broken in any way.

[NNC]

Btw. my personal opinion is that LA Meltdown is easily the best episode in the game. It has an actual flow, you are not circling around the similar theme for ages but go from somewhere to somewhere. E2 and E3 both suffered from repetition, E4 is a little better, but too many people worked on it, and levels weren't linked well. Only a few later levels matched E1 actually: Dark Side, LA Rumble, Freeway, Critical Mass, Derelict, and maybe a few others. The rest is clearly behind with the atmosphere that E1 added to the game.

[CruX]

The central point is that there's very little likelihood anybody's going to want to help you, since the idea (quite frankly) isn't worth their time and you have no community credibility. You say you want to make levels from scratch, so why not just do that? No modifications, no episode replacements, just release a few user maps on your own.

[The Commander]

Has this kid provided any proof of his previous work as he says he is "middle rank" at mapping, what ever the fuck that means I have no idea.
Unless he can show he has quality work I wouldnt listen to this kid.

I bet my worst map ever Dukes Nightmare would be 100x better than what this guy is planning.

[rasmus thorup]

You sound very mature yourself.

[Micky C]

The best way to get community credibility is by releasing a map that gets a score of 90 or above at one of the Duke review sites. The reviewers take several things into account, including but not limited to layout, gameplay, architecture, detailing and shading.

Low detailed maps, around the standard of the original maps are just as good as high detailed ones, but be careful though; there's a difference between making a low-detailed map because that's what you're intending to do, and making a low-detailed map due to laziness or lack of experience. It's usually very easy to tell the difference; the better ones for starters usually have good shading and texturing.

If someone has never made a map before, they can usually reach the 90's after their 3rd or 4th map generally speaking, but we won't know where you're starting out until you actually release something. A lot of attention is on you right now so if I were you I'd take my time and go full out on your first map release and come out with a bang.

[Micky C]

I had a quick, 30 second look at the maps, and to be honest they have basically every single problem that a map can possibly have.

Small,
bad texturing,
mismatching texture allignments,
oversized rooms,
underdetailed,
zero shading,
details out of place,
too many weapons lumped together,
almost minimal spritework
blocky square rooms with super basic architecture,
whole episode looks like 30 minutes of work.

I'm not trying to scare you off, but you have a lot of work to do if you want to become a half decent mapper. Every guy thinks his first(s) is the best thing since the creation of the universe, but in reality that's not so. I'll reinforce what I said before and abandon all hopes for an episode, and a community project or whatever, and definitely focus on building a single map, and making it as detailed and polished as you can. Take that map, throw it in the bin, take what you've learnt and make a second map, get that beta tested, then release it. After three or so maps you should be on your way to being able to make that episode.

If nothing else, use this criteria for your first map: If your map file is less than 400kb in size, and you've spent less than 3 months on it, you're doing something wrong. The good news is, we'll be here to support you if you have any questions.

[MetHy]

Better than what I did at the age of 9. At least he got some SE right. The next step is learning to shade.

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If nothing else, use this criteria for your first map: If your map file is less than 400kb in size, and you've spent less than 3 months on it, you're doing something wrong.

That's completely wrong and we've proven that with the Metropolitan Mayhem episode. You can make a good small map in 1-2 days if you know what you're doing and had ideas and plans in your head beforehand.

[The Commander]

rasmus thorup, on 11 September 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

You sound very mature yourself.

Just calling it as it is.



Any fool who has been around these forums long enough knows that this thread and his others are a lost cause, so why kid yourself?