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  1. In Topic: Net Neutrality....2.0? 3.0?

    16 December 2017 - 05:28 PM

    View PostForge, on 16 December 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

    Posting someone's reddit spooge isn't reality.

    It's a handy launching point. I don't expect you to land there.

    View PostForge, on 16 December 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

    The only thing ISPs have to do is disclose what they're doing with your service. Which they can bury 10 feet deep under a log in the middle of the woods, along with your what's in the opt-out private information sold to third parties list.

    Like every other business. I mean if we're gonna start getting uppity about this sort of thing, the medical industry is operating on a completely different plane of existence that renders these sort of things motes not even worth notes.

    View PostForge, on 16 December 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

    That's why I mentioned quite a bit earlier that people better completely read their contracts and privacy statements from now on.

    Did you read your cell phone contract? What about your credit card contract? How about what a child's Birth Certificate contract actually means?

    It's genuinely interesting to me the easily drummed up outrage over this, when there are *far* more flagrant abuses along these lines (medical, debt, legal standing) that don't even register on the radar.

    These companies are going to want your money and going to do the same thing that extended warranty on your car you just bought are doing. Yes it's up to you to read what you're getting into. But there is the ability for there to be a market *option* again. Your data is already being sold... your online history is easily gotten by nearly any agency that can get a judge to ask for it, etc.
  2. In Topic: Net Neutrality....2.0? 3.0?

    16 December 2017 - 05:01 PM

    View PostForge, on 16 December 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

    a mesh net, or other derivative of it? I already mentioned that socialist idiocy.

    You miss the point, they should be able to choose their mesh and we should encourage them to embrace the idea of product choice.

    View PostForge, on 16 December 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

    Letting the ISPs regulate themselves is like letting the FBI to internally review themselves.

    The ISPs aren't regulating themselves. They are under a different set of regulations with different opportunities and consequences. Go back and start over...

    Note: I added some extra to the First Amendment comment in my reply to Hank.
  3. In Topic: Net Neutrality....2.0? 3.0?

    16 December 2017 - 04:43 PM

    View PostHank, on 16 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

    I can't help getting the impression that some people here some are missing the so the called big picture:...

    We probably all feel that way. ;)

    View PostHank, on 16 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

    Can we trust...

    NO!

    View PostHank, on 16 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

    ...to assure the First Amendment

    You don't have a First Amendment.

    You may think I'm just being sarcastic but I'm not. The *product* FAANG offers is heavily influenced by its need to satisfy US customers who do have a First Amendment. This influences the planet even in regions that don't. However, FAANG has recently been able to flaunt this and... again... it has consequences for the planet. If FAANG suddenly had to worry about people paying extra for internet packages that block advertisements, or accepting cheaper packages that didn't offer FAANG... suddenly they have a *real* product quality problem on their hand. The consequences again... ripple out and grant a shadow of First Amendment to the planet.

    View PostHank, on 16 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

    ...without coherent laws enforcing it?

    It was during the two years of Net Neutrality being active that massive censorship finally started to take off. And it's not because the tech ability wasn't there prior to 2015. It's because these couple of companies thought they had the market locked down where people weren't having to make meaningful cost/benefit decisions about using their services and products, so they endured far more than they normally would if the use of these high consumption services *also* carried specific personal costs.

    View PostHank, on 16 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

    ...the young Internet is interactive, it's not just a one way media avenue for entertainment, it is a communication tool, first and foremost.

    Yes, which is why people should be given the ability to compete against the mega-telecoms again by offering a service that may be higher priced initially, but as word spreads costs can drop while those using the major telecoms can realize they aren't getting what they really want with their investment. However without the ability to enter a high price market to prove the viability, there is ZERO capacity for anyone but the major telecoms to offer services that customers actually want.

    What you seem to be missing is AT&T is thinking it can outcompete Comcast in their regions of influence and vice versa. That's why they want this stuff rolled back, because right now it makes zero sense to try. I would also like it to finally be viable for Google to find a way to do their fiber rollout in a profitable way without constantly being blunted by the current market structure.

    You want things to be where AT&T or Google can look at a city in the US (or Canada) and go "I think it would be worth investing in lobbying that regional government to allow us to lay some new infrastructure and we'll be able to steal all of Comcast's customers". The threat alone is part of what will help keep prices in check.
  4. In Topic: Net Neutrality....2.0? 3.0?

    16 December 2017 - 03:01 PM

    View PostForge, on 15 December 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

    Walmart delivers.

    Sure, but I can buy from Walmart cheaper than you can by going directly into the store. No delivery costs, and even if you decide to drive, I have cheaper fuel costs. And if say... I'm looking for lightbulbs... I have a half a dozen alternative options you don't have just as far away as my local Walmart all with varying specialties that have lightbulbs as one of their main product offerings that Walmart isn't even trying to compete with.

    That's the fundamental difference between rural and urban. You get your benefits, I get mine. You can't attract the degree of specialty lightbulb business that a metro area can. I often envy your benefits, but that's cause I haven't been forced to live without mine in a long time, heh.

    View PostForge, on 15 December 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

    You want grass and animals? Go to the zoo.

    My parents are moving off of their ranch this weekend. I know the difference between a zoo and a personal connection with the land and everything living on it even those things that don't obey your fences.

    View PostForge, on 15 December 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

    Instead of fixing the situation, they left the wolves in charge of the sheep.

    We'll see. There are options on the table again for someone to find a way to be able to make it profitable for them to run pipe out your way... *and* there are options on the table that amusingly... *leftist* leaning folks have proposed without realizing they are embracing the entire point behind jettisoning the previous setup. It's like they suddenly discovered capitalism but can't quite connect the dots yet.
  5. In Topic: Net Neutrality....2.0? 3.0?

    15 December 2017 - 07:07 AM

    View PostForge, on 14 December 2017 - 10:25 PM, said:

    ...regulations that they implemented - only 2 years ago?

    That's what's most amazing to me. The attention span has been blunted so severely people forget that none of this existed before 2 years ago. The internet they love was built WITHOUT this... and the full brunt of the consequences of 2015 never had a chance to fully manifest.

    The "corporate overlords" are on both sides of the aisle. One side is demanding to NOT have to compete equally on the market for the consequences of their products and their policies... the other side is "evil" because it will make it more viable for competitors to come in and offer alternative packages if they go too far. The censorship and flagrant abuse of the network accelerated like crazy over the last 2 years *because* these organizations were expecting to be able to hide behind a veil pretending they were for one thing, when in practice they were clearly for another long term goal.

    Look at the companies that are for it (heavy censors, heavy sellers of your data, heavy narrative controllers). The hollyweird people that are melting down over it. The politicians that are for it. They are lying to you about their goals with it that were not allowed to fully manifest but were showing their true colors, especially the past year. But muh cheap netflix and OMG my LGBTQ website might be blocked by my ISP (not a chance... not unless you sign up for a Christian ISP maybe probably not though cause Churchianity is cucked).

    https://www.reddit.c...eakdown_of_the/



    Again, both options have issues, but one is *flagrantly* worse, especially over the long term. Yes rural areas will have a harder challenge attracting competition. Just like they do for EVERY OTHER SERVICE/PRODUCT. It's part of being rural, you don't have equal access to theaters, popcorn shops, clothing stores, etc. But you also don't have nearly as high crime rates, have actual plants and animals, can collect your own rainwater without going to jail, and can avoid the zombie army of soy boys more easily.

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