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There is no hope!  "For a Gearbox made Duke game that is."

User is offline   xMobilemux 

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Randy just proved Gearbox can't make a worthy Duke Nukem 5 today on Twitter.
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Someone this easily offended by a joke can not make a male power fantasy game full of gratuitous T&A, middle fingers, masculinity and zero f**ks given about women's rights.

Gearbox looking for a different developer is definitely the right call, they need a developer who doesn't have an oversensitive SJW in charge.

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I thought the joke was hilarious. Mysogyny by definition is the hatred or distrust of women. This joke was simply some observational humour about what a notable amount of women tend to do in relationships sometimes.

I suppose it may be considered slightly offensive as a generalisation, but I think enough women have done it at some point that it's fair game. It's like someone making a joke about a child crying because their parents won't give them candy. Not all children do it, but they have a reputation for doing it (rightly so). Should the joke maker be declared as a child hater then?

It's cleverer, and much less offensive than the humour in DNF regarding the holsom twins. No one forced Randy to respond, he could have simply ignored it. It does seem like he's trying to act politically correct in this case for the sake of being PC/having good PR. It's not the same kind of generalisation as "minority X are all rapists and murders", it's completely harmless.

Keep in mind though that the core of Duke Nukem 3D is it's fantastic gameplay, level design and weapons. If they cut all the TnA and have those things, there wouldn't be many people complaining. Sure it'd be nice to be a brash just to remind the world not to be mindless over-sensitive drones but it's not a deal-breaker.

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This post has been edited by Micky C: 24 August 2016 - 05:22 PM

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If they can make a game that is practically identical to Duke3D in gameplay, but remove or PC all the Duke identity, then I don't see the point in even making a Duke Nukem game.
They may as well make a new IP with Randy standard humor if they're gonna do that.

The identity of Duke matters in a Duke game and someone this easily offended should not be in charge of development.

EDIT: Also I forgot mention this, but Randy blocked that guy who replied to him.
https://twitter.com/...594919871094784

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My nose tells me Mr. Pitchford was kidding around, playing SJW for a laugh or two. i.e. anyone actually owning the IP of Duke Nukem is unlikely to be offended by this joke. :P

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It seemed to me Randy was being sarcastic.
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He blocked the people who were giving the solid arguments, typical SJW behavior.
https://twitter.com/...594919871094784

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The more time that passes, the more the gaming media will be against the kind of stuff that makes a Duke Nukem game what it is and it's taking hold in the developers themselves now it seems. If they want to re-release Duke Nukem 3D, what kind of jokes do they plan to add that won't turn it into something that isn't Duke?
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View PostxMobilemux, on 24 August 2016 - 05:04 PM, said:

Someone this easily offended by a joke can not make a male power fantasy game full of gratuitous T&A, middle fingers, masculinity and zero f**ks given about women's rights.

On the contrary I think the Duke Nukem franchise cares about womens rights to an incredibly degree. I mean HE SAVES THE BABES. You really have to stand up for womens rights to go out of your way to kill all the alien asslickers just to save the babes. Duke Nukem stands for female rights! He's an example to all of us ignorant men!
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The problem with that statement is you're saying that women are incapable of saving themselves/avoiding danger.

xMobilemux, I see what you're saying. My personal standing is that if I had to choose between a duke game with awesome gameplay with little focus on the character, and a duke game full of character with terrible gameplay, I'd choose the former. To this day there has yet to be a game that equals or exceeds Duke 3D with its combination of the right elements in the right amount. Many games do specific elements better, but haven't achieved the full package.

Personality is a key component of that, but for me is lower on the priority list than say, gunplay or exploration.

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In Duke3D, all the men were killed and all the women were used to make baby aliens; we only ever saw Duke interacting with women and never men, and Duke loves the ladies, but not in a demeaning manor.
In Forever, we see him make fun of both women AND men as they are being killed, turning him into a complete asshat at times. He shows remorse for having to kill the babes that are trapped in the underground, gets pushed around by a dickish president, gets pissed when the twins are captured but then makes fun of them when he finds them again just as they die, makes fun of his 'best friend' right after he dies, and all around is a very confusing person.
He either needs to be one-dimensional and stick to trying to save everyone at all costs or be more down to earth and human about stuff, not a mish mash of both with an added douche persona at times.
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View PostMicky C, on 24 August 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

xMobilemux, I see what you're saying. My personal standing is that if I had to choose between a duke game with awesome gameplay with little focus on the character, and a duke game full of character with terrible gameplay, I'd choose the former. To this day there has yet to be a game that equals or exceeds Duke 3D with its combination of the right elements in the right amount. Many games do specific elements better, but haven't achieved the full package.


The sad part is Gearbox isn't likely to get either parts right.

With their upcoming Duke3D release they're likely to rip all the politically incorrect identity out of that game as well so we'll have even less of the Duke identity in his most iconic game.

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View PostMicky C, on 24 August 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

The problem with that statement is you're saying that women are incapable of saving themselves/avoiding danger.

xMobilemux, I see what you're saying. My personal standing is that if I had to choose between a duke game with awesome gameplay with little focus on the character, and a duke game full of character with terrible gameplay, I'd choose the former. To this day there has yet to be a game that equals or exceeds Duke 3D with its combination of the right elements in the right amount. Many games do specific elements better, but haven't achieved the full package.

Personality is a key component of that, but for me is lower on the priority list than say, gunplay or exploration.


Alternatively he could leave all the babes to die as that'd demonstrate that women possess the ability to remove themselves from fatal situations and need no help from men. :D (sarcasm, my initial post was an attempt to get a rise out of someone to begin with)

In all seriousness I'd prefer politics be left out of the Duke franchise as far as any attempts to merge into the modern day 'politically correct' attitudes go but balance in required. Duke Nukem was never about being a giant dickbag which is what Duke Nukem Forever portrayed him as but more of a Schwarzenegger/80s & 90s action movie inspired badass. Sure there's babes around but it was only a small element of the franchise which Duke Forever inflated and marketed to an unnecessary degree.

If Gearbox is going to move forward with the franchise they should focus more on being badass and cool as opposed to a parody of itself. Duke3D, Zero Hour, and Manhattan Project all succeeded in being action driven titles that came off as being cool and stylish while Forever drifted into this weird sort of comedy focused thing throwing tits into your face and saying/doing things that came off as being unnecessary, out of character, and often in poor taste. You want an alien hive full of tortured women who've been impregnated by aliens? Sure, go for it but don't try to throw comedy in there and have the women moaning 'daddy' and the Holsom Twins joking to Duke about their 'first time with an alien'. There's a right and a wrong way to execute certain scenarios, that's a fantastic example of the wrong way. It could have been a fantastical environment to explore with a sense of dread and visuals and sound design delivering an overall tone of despair and horror, instead it was played for jokes, overdone and just all round unnecessary.

It's alright for elements of sexuality, humour, and irreverence to be there to a degree but to exclusively focus on those things is distracting and often falls flat due to the subjective nature of comedy and taste (poop teaser, babe teaser). There's a huge difference between the occasional witty one liner that serves to demonstrate that the character you're playing as is cool, and perhaps even a bit tongue in cheek but constantly spurting pointless references, nonsense, and other drivel that holds absolutely no relevance to what's happening gets tired quickly especially when the dialogue in question is repetitive and drawn out which is a problem that I saw occur in Bombshell that attempts to pull off the same sort of oneliner driven character as Duke Nukem does. 'How many aliens does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None because they're all dead' is a great example of a drawn out, unfunny, repetitive line that grinds on you exceedingly quickly as you play the game. The correct way to execute a one-liner is to keep it short and to the point while avoiding repetition.

Outside of the handful of cutscene segments in Duke3D the one-liners were kept exceptionally short and not spouted frequently which manages to never reach the point of bothering the player. In Duke Forever it was a great relief when the Duke shut the fuck up and stopped saying stupid shit constantly, the issue of which was exaggerated by the terrible, un-funny, drawn out dialogue delivered by Jon St. John whose voice sounded a lot less like Duke than it did in previous titles (Manhattan Project comes to mind) which seems to be the result of Gearbox Software not directing him and instead giving him freedom to deliver the lines as he likes. Sorry to break it to you Gearbox but there's a reason you direct voice actors and that's to get a high quality end result that doesn't feel effortless or 'wrong'.

In my mind the perfect Duke game would be a cross between the earlier versions of Duke Forever (2001/2002) and Duke3D but powered with something on the cutting edge like Unreal Engine 4. The freedom, interactivity, the vehicles, the badass vibes delivered from the 2001 trailer, a more serious world similar to the 2001 trailer and a character that doesn't come across as a jackass all delivered with the latest version of Unreal Engine 4 exploiting all the graphical features possible for high-end PCs and Xbox Scorpio/PlayStation Neo

In summary: everything I'd want from a new Duke game is a complete pipe dream with the current people who hold the franchise who are completely unwilling to put the money into it, accept that fans of the franchise probably have a better understanding of the character and world than they do, and Randy Pitchford who is completely unable to accept criticism and use it to improve going forward. If I had unlimited money I'd buy the IP, hire everyone I could from the Duke3D days/early DNF days (including Broussard/Miller, though under order to follow a development plan & accompanied by experienced producers), and a dozen kick-ass artists and programmers, and an awesome composer like Jeremy Soule, and develop the Duke game I'd want to play. So once again, a fucking pipe dream.

Instead we are destined to the likes of 'greasy hamburgers' and 'bazinga!' Thanks Randall. <_<

This post has been edited by HiPolyBash: 24 August 2016 - 09:16 PM

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You know the irony is that had they kept Bombshell in DNF in place of Dylan (just rename her), it would have given the game a strong female character fighting the aliens like you.
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Addded this to my duke level a few days ago.
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The entire western world is stupid.

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View PostHulkNukem, on 24 August 2016 - 09:00 PM, said:

In Duke3D, all the men were killed and all the women were used to make baby aliens; we only ever saw Duke interacting with women and never men, and Duke loves the ladies, but not in a demeaning manor.
In Forever, we see him make fun of both women AND men as they are being killed, turning him into a complete asshat at times. He shows remorse for having to kill the babes that are trapped in the underground, gets pushed around by a dickish president, gets pissed when the twins are captured but then makes fun of them when he finds them again just as they die, makes fun of his 'best friend' right after he dies, and all around is a very confusing person.
He either needs to be one-dimensional and stick to trying to save everyone at all costs or be more down to earth and human about stuff, not a mish mash of both with an added douche persona at times.


If anyone who'd worked on DNF had ever played a Duke3D mod using FEMCON, where you can actually RESCUE every single man, woman and dog you find, then Duke's persona in DNF wouldn't have been nearly as inconsistent as it was. I'm not going to blame anyone from 3DR or Gearbox specifically for it, but if a FAN-MADE MOD could allow Duke to save everyone, then clearly it should've been done in DNF.

As for Pitchford being such a whiny pussboy, nothing new. His reaction to the backlash over Aliens: Colonial Marines---hell, his reaction to the underwhelming sales of DNF---were a precursor to this sort of thing.
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So women are dogs? You sexist pig! ;)
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He is a Cry Baby

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More sheeplike huffing and puffing over one bloke's comment - keep up the good work, Duke4.
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I know it's pandering PR, but this one made me laugh!
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Is that Twitter account official? It really seems like it isn't.

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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 25 August 2016 - 02:17 PM, said:

Is that Twitter account official? It really seems like it isn't.

Randy and the Gearbox Twitter accounts follow that Duke Nukem account. It's official.

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View PostJolteon, on 25 August 2016 - 07:53 AM, said:



Other than make like 2 maps for The Birth, did he do anything else at 3D Realms of worth?
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So, when DNF comes out, people get butthurt because Duke is misogynous. Now that Randy distances himself from misogyny, people get butthurt again.
It seems to me that certain people like getting butthurt more than they like Duke.

If your brain tells you one thing and your heart tells you another, get rid of those silly doubts and listen to your brain.

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View PostLunick, on 25 August 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

Randy and the Gearbox Twitter accounts follow that Duke Nukem account. It's official.


So he's alienating himself from fans of Duke Nukem AND Duke Nukem himself officially?.....that might be kind of brilliant. Duke fans have hated Randy for a long time, and putting Duke on their side as a way to admit he is a suit and a douche might be seen as a sort of apology. If he does it right. That Twitter account even responded to Randy's asinine response to that "misogynist" Science Porn joke tweet. It might all be an act.

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This post has been edited by MusicallyInspired: 26 August 2016 - 06:22 AM

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I always took Randy Pitchford as a laid back guy. Don't think he was serious.

Serously though, why is everyone so angry and carry so much hate on the internet...

Seems like some people are just waiting for others to screw up so they can kick the living shit out of them... don't people have better things to do then hang out on social medias of people they hate? .... don't answer that its rethorical.

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Google 'Randy Pitchford' and discover why people carry hate towards him. Everything from questionable business practices to claiming that people who don't like his games are masochists, lying about the most pointless shit. It's worth a quick read through. I typically avoid carrying hate as it's not worth the effort but Randy is far from a class act.
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View PostSoap DX, on 26 August 2016 - 05:31 PM, said:

I always took Randy Pitchford as a laid back guy ...


Is there another Randy Pitchford in the gaming industry besides the one from Gearbox?

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Haha! Randy Blocked me on Twitter, the big baby.

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