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Does eduke play lame duke?

User is offline   Darkhog 

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Can eduke play lame duke (dn3d beta)? Or am I stuck with dos version if I want to play it?
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User is offline   TheZombieKiller 

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No, it doesn't. I honestly don't see any real reason for it to anyway
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User is offline   Fulsy 

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The best way to play lameduke on a modern PC is to learn to run it on dosbox.

Lameduke obviously runs on a rather ancient version of the build engine. I don't think eduke32 will even run the maps.

There's a special spot in Hell for mappers who assign adoor1.voc to a star trek door.
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User is offline   Darkhog 

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Well, few levels had something cool going on about them (for example on one map elevator moves to room that seems to be directly above another - dunno if it was TROR that was removed in retail version or did it use teleport trick).
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User is offline   Hendricks266 

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View PostDarkhog, on 04 July 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Well, few levels had something cool going on about them (for example on one map elevator moves to room that seems to be directly above another - dunno if it was TROR that was removed in retail version or did it use teleport trick).

TROR is engine-side, which means it never existed in the 90s if Ken didn't make it, which he didn't. Every game with ROR or fake elevators did it with teleporters and/or viewportals. Game devs couldn't mess with engine code.

Mapster32 can read the old map format version, but the game won't play like it did in the beta, making running in EDuke32 pointless. The whole idea with playing a beta is seeing the old programming behavior, not just seeing old levels.
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User is offline   oasiz 

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The elevator still exists in the retail version, main difference is that in LD it allowed you to select a direction (crouch + use = down, jump + use = up), Allowing multiple floors with a teleporting elevator. It's just the standard teleporting elevator otherwise, very similar to the ones in E2L1 or E3L4.
The only real "movement" effect that doesn't exist anymore in the code is a "flooding room" code seen here: PICTURE

Dosbox with a low cycle count is a good way to experience it.
In case you want to see what it has to offer, I did a playtrough video from an old DOS laptop along with some screenshots.
Video
Picture "Walktrough" with comments

I suggest watching videos or other media since the game play experience in LD isn't really enjoyable. Most of the maps are pretty confusing to navigate around in and a bunch of them can't even be completed. It's also difficult to get it to run at somewhat right speed.

This post has been edited by oasiz: 04 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

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User is offline   t800 

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No, it doesnt.

But... there is one older LameDuke inspired mod for Eduke32 you can try.
http://dukertcm.com/...ns/lamedukex.7z
Problem is that it is packed with obsolete version of Eduke32 and I dont think it is compatible with any other version than that pre-packed one.

AMC TC Walktrough < On hold indefinitely :(
You one ugly motherf*cker, say "Hasta la vista" to my little friend!
Download here new fixed version of SWP made by Hendricks266 (latest build: Beta 3)
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User is offline   MrFlibble 

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Personally I'm quite a fan of LameDuke, and in fact I played through almost every level in summer 2011 with a modified CON file I got off RTCM that turns off player invincibility, and also activates actor code for the Bazooka-wielding gentleman (and possibly tweaks some other things too). It wasn't super challenging but I really love some of the levels which are very atmospheric.

While there is indeed no reason for EDuke32 to support LameDuke, I'm a bit surprised that no one seemingly ever attempted to produce an emulation of this version using EDuke32 as the base. Googling suggests there have been projects of map remakes that can run with retail Duke3D, as well as numerous ambitious projects to create beta-themed mods with pre-release screenshots as a reference, but no project to simply allow LameDuke to run natively on modern platforms as it is, with proper high resolution support and minimal crashes.

I understand that such a project probably requires at least some interest and/or affection for the source material (whereas many topics concerning LameDuke mods contain explicit statements from various users that it's not worth such effort). However, speaking theoretically, how much effort would it require to reproduce game behaviours from LD in EDuke32? Can EDuke32 make use of LD CON files? I know it discards them as having errors, but if modified, could it use them normally?
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User is offline   neznam 

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 MrFlibble, on 05 January 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

Personally I'm quite a fan of LameDuke, and in fact I played through almost every level in summer 2011 with a modified CON file I got off RTCM that turns off player invincibility, and also activates actor code for the Bazooka-wielding gentleman (and possibly tweaks some other things too).


Do you still have it?
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User is offline   Hendricks266 

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If it was ever on RTCM, it's still on RTCM, so have a look.
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User is offline   neznam 

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 Hendricks266, on 06 January 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

If it was ever on RTCM, it's still on RTCM, so have a look.


Okay. Found it.
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User is offline   MrFlibble 

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A thought that has just occurred to me is that a project to emulate LameDuke using sources from other Build engine games is justified if only because it will encourage detailed, systematic in-depth analysis of this version of Duke3D. I mean, do we really know it inside-out? There are some cool sources like that project to examine and analyse the maps (I can't find the link to it ATM, anyone?), but is there even a document/wiki to present all info available in a systematic way? (there's a LameDuke page at TCRF but anything else?)

Intuitively it feels that LameDuke might have some similarities to Ken Silverman's Build demo. Both share certain features, like the rotating menu header and the reflecting floors (I'm assuming the nature of this particular effect is the same in both). I wonder what a study of Ken-Build's code and comparison to observations of LameDuke behaviour and features could yield.
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User is offline   Kawa 

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The reflecting floor is indeed from what I can tell exactly the same floormirror effect. The "rotating menu header" threw me off because KenBuild has no menu, but you must mean the spinny-zoomy logo? That'd be a dead giveaway.

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User is offline   MrFlibble 

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View PostKawa, on 07 January 2017 - 03:23 AM, said:

The "rotating menu header" threw me off because KenBuild has no menu, but you must mean the spinny-zoomy logo?

Exactly, that's what I meant. I'm not sure if LameDuke also has the fading in effect from Ken-Build.
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User is offline   oasiz 

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Lameduke is mostly built on top of kenbuild example code snippets and pretty much all build engine features got extra priority for duke so there is a lot of overlap. Kenbuild is basically a zoo map that evolved feature by feature.

I basically know the game inside out bu this point and doing a port with a bunch of fixes is something i want to pull off some day.

I did a playthrough few years back, do you mean this ?
My link
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