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Duke3D & SW - Early/Alpha/Beta/Gold Material

User is offline   Marcos 

#1231

Let'me ask something, is there anything like annotatios or files I don't know, that say why they removed some things from the game or added others? Like why tgey removed the spacesuit or the flamethrower?
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User is offline   Fox 

  • Fraka kaka kaka kaka-kow!

#1232

The spacesuit was removed probably because the game detects if you are on the outerspace based on the paralaxed ceiling picnum, which is awfull. I imagine the Flamethrower was removed because feature which would case the player or enemies to burn didn't worked well.

This post has been edited by Fox: 24 November 2014 - 02:55 AM

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User is offline   TerminX 

  • el fundador

  #1233

I feel like I've seen a version where the flamethrower worked pretty well, but that it required a lot more sprites to look nice than a 486 could pull off at decent framerate. I could be imagining things, though.

Btw, that version 1.2 has some other interesting differences. I don't think we will ever be able to release it because much of it is identical to what shipped as 1.3D, but it definitely has some neat stuff. Mini Battlelords are pal 19 instead of 21, Stadium is significantly different--I can only guess the direction they went with it didn't work out, resulting in a last minute reversion to what was more or less the 1994 version of the map--the prototype Overlord is present, Hotel Hell had a giant mirror near the front desk so you could see the Battlelord trap before running into it, etc. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
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#1234

View PostTerminX, on 24 November 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

I feel like I've seen a version where the flamethrower worked pretty well, but that it required a lot more sprites to look nice than a 486 could pull off at decent framerate. I could be imagining things, though.

Btw, that version 1.2 has some other interesting differences. I don't think we will ever be able to release it because much of it is identical to what shipped as 1.3D, but it definitely has some neat stuff. Mini Battlelords are pal 19 instead of 21, Stadium is significantly different--I can only guess the direction they went with it didn't work out, resulting in a last minute reversion to what was more or less the 1994 version of the map--the prototype Overlord is present, Hotel Hell had a giant mirror near the front desk so you could see the Battlelord trap before running into it, etc. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Why don't you just release a diff patch for 1.3D to patch it to the 1.2 version then?
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#1235

It's a shame about the things that can't be released due to being too close to the final build. In an ideal world, they could be released; Buying Duke 3D from the new 3D Realms site would allow you to download those prototypes as there would be proof you owned the game, I think most of us would gladly pay for it. But I can understand why releasing it isn't necessarily something a company would want to do.
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User is offline   Marcos 

#1236

How many beta/alpha versions have you already discovered? How many of them are fully functional?
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User is offline   Fox 

  • Fraka kaka kaka kaka-kow!

#1237

View PostTerminX, on 24 November 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

Stadium is significantly different--I can only guess the direction they went with it didn't work out, resulting in a last minute reversion to what was more or less the 1994 version of the map

What exactly that Stadium looked like?
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User is offline   MrFlibble 

#1238

View PostTerminX, on 23 November 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

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TerminX, thanks a lot! What was the function of the "Support Version" though? Was it intended for internal testing?

Also I did not entirely understand, did a leak of this version actually happen after all or not?

View PostTerminX, on 24 November 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

Btw, that version 1.2 has some other interesting differences. I don't think we will ever be able to release it because much of it is identical to what shipped as 1.3D, but it definitely has some neat stuff.

Will you be able to at least release gameplay videos of this version?

View Postoasiz, on 23 November 2014 - 11:37 PM, said:

When it comes to quick kick, it behaves very differently in .99 and I think even up to 1.1 where it just does a really slow kick with the "mighty foot engaged!" text while lowering the weapon automatically for the kick itself.

It is my understanding that up to v1.1 the quick kick was essentially just switching temporarily to the kick and then back to the currently selected weapon.

This post has been edited by MrFlibble: 24 November 2014 - 04:44 AM

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User is offline   hogsy 

#1239

Have you guys tried asking Zenimax/Bethesda about Prey again? Seeing as Prey 2 has now been officially announced as cancelled, it's worth a try.

I'm not desperate or anything... Well, maybe a little. I certainly know a lot of the original developers are happy to share information about it, and I know that even a few of the original developers still have some concept-art, builds and other work (including the source-code), but to me the clock is literally ticking when it comes to saving and preserving a lot of this, who knows when some of it might be lost, discarded or whatever. It's a pain that Zenimax/Bethesda are so difficult to get in touch with as well, but I'm sure someone who pushes enough could probably convince someone there.
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#1240

View Posthogsy, on 24 November 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

including the source-code


Was there more source code for prey that went public that wasn't in the game sdk?

This post has been edited by icecoldduke: 24 November 2014 - 09:39 AM

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User is offline   hogsy 

#1241

View Posticecoldduke, on 24 November 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

Was there more source code for prey that went public that wasn't in the game sdk?


I'm specifically referring to the '98 and '96 iterations of Prey, not Human Head's Prey.
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#1242

View Posthogsy, on 24 November 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

I'm specifically referring to the '98 and '96 iterations of Prey, not Human Head's Prey.


There was code that got leaked from those builds?
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User is offline   Hendricks266 

  • Weaponized Autism

  #1243

View Posticecoldduke, on 24 November 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

There was code that got leaked from those builds?

Reading comprehension.

View Posthogsy, on 24 November 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

and I know that even a few of the original developers still have some concept-art, builds and other work (including the source-code)

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#1244

View PostHendricks266, on 24 November 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

Reading comprehension.


Touche :).
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#1245

View PostTerminX, on 24 November 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

I feel like I've seen a version where the flamethrower worked pretty well, but that it required a lot more sprites to look nice than a 486 could pull off at decent framerate. I could be imagining things, though.

Btw, that version 1.2 has some other interesting differences. I don't think we will ever be able to release it because much of it is identical to what shipped as 1.3D, but it definitely has some neat stuff. Mini Battlelords are pal 19 instead of 21, Stadium is significantly different--I can only guess the direction they went with it didn't work out, resulting in a last minute reversion to what was more or less the 1994 version of the map--the prototype Overlord is present, Hotel Hell had a giant mirror near the front desk so you could see the Battlelord trap before running into it, etc. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!


How significantly different is Stadium? Does that mean it was a full stage before? Also, does the prototype Overlord in that build coexist with final Overlord, or was final Overlord a last minute change?
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User is offline   DNSKILL5 

  • Honored Donor

#1246

I think the versions similar to the final would be worth releasing for $. Maybe they could come with purchasing DN3D off the 3DR's site.
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User is offline   Kathy 

#1247

Yeah, they could call it... Late Access.
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User is offline   MrFlibble 

#1248

Continuing with the small semi-random questions, is there any evidence as to why the demo loops were removed from Shadow Warrior v1.2?

Also DOSGuy from RGB Classic Games suggested that

DOSGuy said:

the shuriken pointer was replaced with a yin yang symbol when 3DR found out that they would need to remove shurikens from the UK version of the game to comply with anti-ninja weapon laws.

Is that right? (The discussion was about the menu selector having been changed from a rotating shuriken to a Yin Yang symbol.)
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User is offline   Gargoyle 

#1249

Speaking of Plutonium Pack, are the alleged Levelord E4 levels actually there?

View Postgerolf, on 25 November 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

I think the versions similar to the final would be worth releasing for $. Maybe they could come with purchasing DN3D off the 3DR's site.

This so much. Exclusive bonus for 3DR customers! And shareware episode for distribution.
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#1250


Is this the earliest build?

It's pretty painful to watch :/
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#1251

View PostPikaCommando, on 27 November 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:


Is this the earliest build?

It's pretty painful to watch :/


What do you expect from a any early build of any game? Especially when they are using new tech(the build engine), they were probably just trying to get something on it's feet at the time.
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#1252

The hidden secret is that prototypes often look like dogshit, no matter what phase the game is in. That's kinda why they're PROTOTYPES in the first place. :)

Even LD's readme clearly states "...and what most developer's hide from you and when the press visits", and that was compiled later than this version. They damn well know that their game isn't all that hot, so they pick the stuff that looks acceptable and show it to the press.
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User is offline   TerminX 

  • el fundador

  #1253

This is the earliest build.
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User is offline   OpenMaw 

  • Judge Mental

#1254

View PostTerminX, on 27 November 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

This is the earliest build.


Is there/will there be some kind of documentation to go with it? I mean historical stuff, what the intentions were at the time, what was being done within the engine, the goals at the time, and so forth?
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User is offline   Frederik Schreiber 

  • Slipgate Studios

#1255

View PostCommando Nukem, on 28 November 2014 - 12:51 AM, said:

Is there/will there be some kind of documentation to go with it? I mean historical stuff, what the intentions were at the time, what was being done within the engine, the goals at the time, and so forth?


We'll do several historical pieces, yes! :)
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User is offline   Robman 

  • Asswhipe [sic]

#1256

Fred, I watched your twitchtv playthrough of Shadow Warrior... Let the real you shine through in your typing, more profanity please :)

More sailor, less politician.

This post has been edited by Robman: 28 November 2014 - 03:10 AM

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#1257

View PostTerminX, on 27 November 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

This is the earliest build.


Do you know at which point they decided to go with the CON script?
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User is offline   MrFlibble 

#1258

Another question (if you don't mind that is!): is there any information about when exactly it was decided that the shareware episode would contain less levels than the registered episodes? IIRC, Duke3D was either the first Apogee model game to have a shorter shareware episode, or at least the first in the FPS genre. Were there any more maps supposed to be in the first episode at the point where it was already L.A. Meltdown (at least thematically if not by name)?
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User is offline   TerminX 

  • el fundador

  #1259

At one point the episode started in a space station (before you escape back to Earth...) and ended with you going back into space again. Sorry if that's vague, there has just been a LOT of data to go through--enough to almost get mixed up on some of it. I turn 30 in January and there are more files here than there have been days in my life.
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#1260

View PostTerminX, on 28 November 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:

At one point the episode started in a space station (before you escape back to Earth...) and ended with you going back into space again. Sorry if that's vague, there has just been a LOT of data to go through--enough to almost get mixed up on some of it. I turn 30 in January and there are more files here than there have been days in my life.


Well, that explains the sudden jump from space to city levels. I originally thought it was because E1 became a testbed for the new, final-style city levels they were making.
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