[Outtagum]

Duke has peanut allergy.

[gibfrag]

I forgot to share these here. Two Duke Nukem fan songs, the latter is a remix of the first. Download links are in the description. A lot of Duke 3D samples and overall music somewhat reminds me of the PS version’s soundtrack.

duke_nukem.xm by drg of XCS:
https://youtu.be/FyLKYKJoZGk

p_duke2.mod by big yellow man:
https://youtu.be/ph4ymKSNQf4

[Aleks]

StarNukem streamed the entire DNF 10th anniversary yesterday on Twitch, which took overall of about 10 hours. If anyone's interested, you can rewatch it here: https://www.twitch.tv/starnukem

I'd especially recommend checking out the games between Jelley0 vs Vanilla Whale, and Mr. Tediore vs Vanilla Whale, some crazy stuff was going on there!

[High Treason]

For those with DOS Duke 3D, or possibly Megaton and maybe even xDuke, allow me to troll you before you click the spoiler button!
Download this map: http://dxzeff.com/trash/msgbrd.zip
Run it in the DOS version of the game (unsure if it will work in Megaton. Won't work in EDuke32). Follow the instructions on the wall...
Yes. I know when you save in my levels now. I can detect this. You cannot hide your nooby ways from me.

When you've done that, click the spoiler below.

Spoiler

This isn't public yet, as I don't post "side videos" without having a main video ready to go. There's no reason not to share it here already, though. We found Dark Side's Tile 0 bug.


Turns out the problem is in the wall's EXTRA field. All walls on the map, except the starting area, are set to 0 when they should be -1. The bug cannot be triggered in EDuke32 (at least, in more recent times) as it forces this to the correct value at premap, but older game executables don't. It seems the field is used for storing picnums with animating walls somehow, but this isn't clear to me. Still, other textures in the same block of cases, such as W_FORCEFIELD exhibit the same behavior - in fact the one blocking the BOSS1 at the other end of the crater does it, but you can't see this as the wall is submerged below the floor. BIGFORCE appears to be considered an animating wall, or at least contribute to the counter for them, in the game's code. This bug may work on even more textures and there may be other such walls in the game, somewhere.

Top: Before. Middle: After. Bottom: Another BIGFORCE wall in a different map, showing the correct values.



Map dump from after bug triggers: http://dxzeff.com/trash/dsdump.zip
Not very interesting as the only difference seems to be that the wall tilenums have changed.

[oasiz]

Great work
One possibility would be to check with Ken's 94 build versions and use CONVMAP to convert the map files themselves, not sure if you have already done this or not.
Curiously, SW also uses wall extra of 0 by default instead of -1 from what I recall.
This results in many of the drivable SO from breaking if using stock mapster and not taking this in to account.

Btw, now that we know the condition, you can load this script in mapster32
Save as i.e. `ass.m32` and then just do `include ass` when inside the editor. (Example screenshot included)
This will highlight walls with extra0 and overtile0

gamevar i 0 0
gamevar temp 0 0
gamevar temp9 0 0

onevent EVENT_DRAW2DSCREEN
    set drawlinepat -858993460
    for i allwalls {
            ife wall[i].extra 0 {
                ife wall[i].overtilenumber 0 {
                    set temp wall[i].point2
                    drawline16b wall[i].x wall[i].y wall[temp].x wall[temp].y 10
                }
            }
    }
endevent

If you want to remove the overtilenumber check then just remove that lime and the curly bracket after drawline.

EDIT: Checking convmap5 sources, it's setting it correctly, perhaps the editor had a wrong default?
newwall[i].extra = -1;
v5 is where the format got wall[i].extra and v4 is without

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[Doom64hunter]

High Treason, on 04 August 2021 - 09:12 PM, said:

For those with DOS Duke 3D, or possibly Megaton and maybe even xDuke, allow me to troll you before you click the spoiler button!
Download this map: http://dxzeff.com/trash/msgbrd.zip
Run it in the DOS version of the game (unsure if it will work in Megaton. Won't work in EDuke32). Follow the instructions on the wall...
Yes. I know when you save in my levels now. I can detect this. You cannot hide your nooby ways from me.

When you've done that, click the spoiler below.

Spoiler

This isn't public yet, as I don't post "side videos" without having a main video ready to go. There's no reason not to share it here already, though. We found Dark Side's Tile 0 bug.


Turns out the problem is in the wall's EXTRA field. All walls on the map, except the starting area, are set to 0 when they should be -1. The bug cannot be triggered in EDuke32 (at least, in more recent times) as it forces this to the correct value at premap, but older game executables don't. It seems the field is used for storing picnums with animating walls somehow, but this isn't clear to me. Still, other textures in the same block of cases, such as W_FORCEFIELD exhibit the same behavior - in fact the one blocking the BOSS1 at the other end of the crater does it, but you can't see this as the wall is submerged below the floor. BIGFORCE appears to be considered an animating wall, or at least contribute to the counter for them, in the game's code. This bug may work on even more textures and there may be other such walls in the game, somewhere.

Top: Before. Middle: After. Bottom: Another BIGFORCE wall in a different map, showing the correct values.
WALLTILE.png


Map dump from after bug triggers: http://dxzeff.com/trash/dsdump.zip
Not very interesting as the only difference seems to be that the wall tilenums have changed.

Commented out in savegame.cpp we find the following code: (in git blame view)

2a37b30db1 polymer/eduke32/source/savegame.c (Philipp Kutin           2012-01-05 20:48:37 +0000 2468) #if 0
2a37b30db1 polymer/eduke32/source/savegame.c (Philipp Kutin           2012-01-05 20:48:37 +0000 2469)         else
2a37b30db1 polymer/eduke32/source/savegame.c (Philipp Kutin           2012-01-05 20:48:37 +0000 2470)         {
2a37b30db1 polymer/eduke32/source/savegame.c (Philipp Kutin           2012-01-05 20:48:37 +0000 2471)             for (i=0; i<g_numAnimWalls; i++)
2a37b30db1 polymer/eduke32/source/savegame.c (Philipp Kutin           2012-01-05 20:48:37 +0000 2472)                 if (wall[animwall[i].wallnum].extra >= 0)
2a37b30db1 polymer/eduke32/source/savegame.c (Philipp Kutin           2012-01-05 20:48:37 +0000 2473)                     wall[animwall[i].wallnum].picnum = wall[animwall[i].wallnum].extra;
2a37b30db1 polymer/eduke32/source/savegame.c (Philipp Kutin           2012-01-05 20:48:37 +0000 2474)         }
99678b668b source/duke3d/src/savegame.cpp    (Richard Gobeille        2018-11-18 18:13:55 +0000 2475) #endif

The reason for this bug is parental lock. Namely, by saving a game with parental lock active, and then loading the game with it deactivated, the game tries to restore the replaced tiles by iterating over every single animating wall and setting the picnum back to the stored extra value. The extra value is hereby used to store the original picnum when parental lock is activated. Note that it tries to restore the tiles regardless of whether parental lock was active before.

Notably, if you enable parental lock in E1L1, switch to E2L8 (Dark Side), and walk to this spot in the map, then deactivate parental lock, I expect that the same thing will happen, because like you correctly noted, this wall has its extra set to 0 instead of -1.

This was commented out in r2235 to fix an unrelated crash. If you restore it, you will see the same problem occur once again.

[oasiz]

Interesting.. mystery solved I guess.
Checking through LD maps, it seems that most are "built correctly" and I assume it's not conversion related but likely related to a specific revision of the editor that had it mistakenly as 0 instead of -1 for a while.
You can find whole maps which have extra as 0 or just few bits and bobs here and there.

[High Treason]

Excellent findings. Unfortunately I only searched the game's source for 'BIGFORCE' and never thought to check the parental lock - in fact, I forgot the game even had one. Now we know why it's doing it.

Oasiz' script is probably much easier to use than my hunk of junk one if ever I get around to prodding LameDuke's maps around. I at least know the lights in the starting area of L2 (I think it was L2) were 0 with the outer sector being -1, suggesting the map was converted up from V4 before the lights were put in.

My crap script, for those curious - runs in game instead of Mapster32:

Spoiler

include game.con

gamevar PL_TECH 1 1 // SET TO 1 TO MAKE AFFECTED WALLS TILE 199!

gamevar PL_TEMP 0 1
gamevar PL_KEEP 0 1
gamevar PL_TILE 0 1
gamevar PL_X 0 1
gamevar PL_Y 0 1

definequote 250 X: %d
definequote 251 REPORT FOR E%dL%d.MAP
definequote 252 BIGFORCE AT: %s %s
definequote 253 TEST
definequote 254 WALL %d


var i
var j

onevent EVENT_PRELEVEL

// Tell me what level we're on?
    setvarvar PL_X VOLUME
    setvarvar PL_Y LEVEL
    addvar PL_X 1
    addvar PL_Y 1
    redefinequote 251 REPORT FOR E%dL%d.MAP
    qsprintf 251 251 PL_X PL_Y
    userquote 251


// Tell me which walls have wall[].extra 0?
for i allwalls
{ 
getwall[i].extra PL_TEMP
ifvare PL_TEMP 0
 {
  getwall[i].x PL_X
  getwall[i].y PL_Y
  redefinequote 254 WALL: %d AT: X: %d Y: %d
  qsprintf 254 254 i PL_X PL_Y
  userquote 254
  ifvare PL_TECH 1 { setwall[i].picnum 199 }
  
 }
}   


//Tell me which of those have forcefields?
for i allwalls
{ 
getwall[i].extra PL_TEMP
ifvare PL_TEMP 0
 {
  getwall[i].overpicnum PL_TILE
  ifvare PL_TILE 663
  {
    getwall[i].x PL_X
    getwall[i].y PL_Y
    redefinequote 252 W_FORCEFIELD (%d) AT: X: %d Y: %d
    qsprintf 252 252 i PL_X PL_Y
    userquote 252
  } 
  getwall[i].overpicnum PL_TILE
  ifvare PL_TILE 230
  {
    getwall[i].x PL_X
    getwall[i].y PL_Y
    redefinequote 252 BIGFORCE (%d) AT: X: %d Y: %d
    qsprintf 252 252 i PL_X PL_Y
    userquote 252
  } 
 }
}   


endevent

Rubbish, but was slapped together merely enough to do its job, regardless of how efficiently or elegantly it did so.

[ck3D]

Haven't watched it yet but I'm just glad November Blue (now rebranding under a different name?) posted a video playthrough of Biglight/Lighthouse by Billy Boy, I was always fascinated by that map, and now imagine the crazy stuff the author could come up with nowadays using Mapster32 and the expanded resources:

[# 1 duke nukem spanish fan]

This counts ?
https://youtu.be/nLybEeI0YnY

[ck3D]

This is pretty crazy, as much as speed running Duke 3D in general is respectable, no damage runs are something else:



And isn't that another instance of tile 0 showing up on the bottom sections of the stage around the 0:55 mark? Can't really tell because of the palettes. Kind of looks like it. May be known already.

[Aleks]

ck3D, on 11 October 2021 - 01:05 AM, said:

This is pretty crazy, as much as speed running Duke 3D in general is respectable, no damage runs are something else:



And isn't that another instance of tile 0 showing up on the bottom sections of the stage around the 0:55 mark? Can't really tell because of the palettes. Kind of looks like it. May be known already.

0:32 Shit, was that jetpack really always there?

[DisgustedGrunt]

GVMERS made a Duke Nukem video