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Is It Time To Spank Gearbox?

User is offline   Nfelli64 

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I've been observing for a while now how quickly the Duke community has gotten screwed over. Most, if not all, people are obviously not pleased with how Duke Nukem Forever turned out and how the community received nothing it was promised! Most of you guys had just sat back and complained on this forum without doing much about anything. We were promised mod tools and now it's 2014 and nothing about the mod tools has even been officially discussed (to my knowledge)! Since we waited over 14 YEARS and taken a huge rollercoaster ride through all these development issues, in the end what we received is simply not acceptable. The community obviously deserves a lot more for how patient they have been and how civil everyone has been up to this point. Since we are the consumers and we are giving our money to this company, Gearbox, what we say should go. It should be time to make it as obvious as possible that we want the mod tools we were promised and possibly the older build files of the game if they even exist still today. What we need to do is show Gearbox that we are supporting them and we can simply not support them and they'll see how much it will hurt them. I think the best possible way is to create a protest. What we need to do is spam the forums, twitter, facebook to make it obvious to Gearbox how much we want these mod tools and builds. If we don't make a BIG deal about this NOTHING will ever get released. These guys don't have as much power as many of you guys make it seem. We CAN bend these guys over, pull there pants down, and spank them for as long as it takes to get what we want. They need to realize that WE have the power because WE are the gamers! Hell, even DDOS'ing the official site would create a huge response from Gearbox.
I believe if the Duke community comes together and shows Gearbox how we deserve these tools, things will get done a lot faster. If we continue to "wait it out" we will never see any modding or older builds in our lifetime. I believe if we put our heads together and protest Gearbox in the best way possible, we can get something going here. There is no reason why we do not have mod tools yet, there is even no reason why we can not have a look at older builds when we have waited 14 years for a rip off.
If anyone has any other ideas how to create a reaction from gearbox, I'm all ears!
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User is offline   xMobilemux 

#2

It's not gonna happen, as much as I'd like it to, it's not.
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User is offline   Forge 

#3

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Since we are the consumers and we are giving our money to this company, Gearbox,

speak for yourself. i didn't spend a penny on a game i knew in advance wasn't going to live up to expectations. doubly so when i found out there weren't mod tools.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

even DDOS'ing the official site would create a huge response from Gearbox.

illegal and would solve nothing

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

I believe if the Duke community comes together and shows Gearbox how we deserve these tools, things will get done a lot faster.
If anyone has any other ideas how to create a reaction from gearbox, I'm all ears!

The Duke community or people who care enough to protest about the grievances you mentioned aren't even a drop in the bucket of their market. They wouldn't notice or care about a protest or boycott by such a small number of people.

This post has been edited by Forge: 28 December 2013 - 07:14 PM

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User is offline   Lunick 

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#4

Did Nukemdave put you up to making this thread? :mellow:
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User is offline   Spitfire '15 

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#5

Nfelli, no one's actually still "waiting out" the mod tools, hoping they appear some day. C'mon, dude.

Hm, I guess we could send the "spec ops" (as Kathy put it) and spam those forums you suggested to bits, but that's what we do here and this place has become one of the coolest forums...

And DDoSing the main site? That's something that could be done solo. Why don't you do it, if you're so keen?

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

These guys don't have as much power as many of you guys make it seem. We CAN bend these guys over, pull there pants down, and spank them for as long as it takes to get what we want.


Haha, what?

Seriously man, if we need to show them that we have the POWER, then maybe we actually don't have as much POWER as you think? The truth is, they can do whatever they want, and we can't do anything about it. Boo-hoo.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

The community obviously deserves a lot more for how patient they have been and how civil everyone has been up to this point.


You're not from around here, I take it.

This post has been edited by Element of Kindness: 28 December 2013 - 08:01 PM

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User is offline   NUKEMDAVE 

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View PostLunick, on 28 December 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

Did Nukemdave put you up to making this thread? :mellow:


He actually started talking to me about this in private and I agree with him, except the DDOS'ing part. I think the fans could push them to do it, but I do agree that the numbers aren't there. I think there's more than plenty of fans out there, but not enough of them who are engaged enough. Even if they never do it, we have Interceptor's rumored Duke game to look forward to. Regardless of the quality of it, there's no doubt they will release mod tools for it. I'm sure whatever they come up with will feel more like a Duke game than DNF.

Still, I don't think there was enough of an uproar over them not releasing the tools like there should've been.
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User is offline   Hendricks266 

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Is It Time To Spank Nfelli64?

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Most of you guys had just sat back and complained on this forum without doing much about anything.

What are we supposed to do? Gather up all 50 of us and storm Gearbox HQ with raging Duke-boners?

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Hell, even DDOS'ing the official site would create a huge response from Gearbox.

Such a thing is highly illegal and increasingly well-protected against using CDNs and CloudFlare. The people responsible for the briefly intense period of hax including HBGary Federal, Stratfor, and the PlayStation Network have been or are being v& by the FBI.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

What we need to do is show Gearbox that we are supporting them and we can simply not support them and they'll see how much it will hurt them. I think the best possible way is to create a protest.

Completely ineffective. Borderlands is their money-maker.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

What we need to do is spam the forums, twitter, facebook to make it obvious to Gearbox how much we want these mod tools and builds.

If we don't make a BIG deal about this NOTHING will ever get released.

DNF is so bad that it would be a horrible modding environment. It runs a souped up, bastardized old version of Unreal Engine with poor technical performance and excessive load times. A level editor I'll grant you but not much more.

I can't think of the last time DNF mod tools crossed my mind, let alone came up in discussion.

Who still cares about this? You? NUKEMDAVE?

You should have started a poll.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Since we waited over 14 YEARS and taken a huge rollercoaster ride through all these development issues, in the end what we received is simply not acceptable.

The community obviously deserves a lot more for how patient they have been and how civil everyone has been up to this point.

I hate senses of entitlement.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Since we are the consumers and we are giving our money to this company, Gearbox, what we say should go.

Economic "voting" works purely on whether you buy their products or not. You're not buying a vote or a stake in decision-making.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

We were promised mod tools and now it's 2014 and nothing about the mod tools has even been officially discussed (to my knowledge)!

It should be time to make it as obvious as possible that we want the mod tools we were promised

Promised? Where? By Whom?

If it doesn't make a false claim on the box, you can't claim any fault.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

and possibly the older build files of the game if they even exist still today.

Who are you? "Beta is Betta" Bryan?

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

These guys don't have as much power as many of you guys make it seem.

On the contrary, they have the power to ignore the tiny chihuahua barking for mod tools.

View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

We CAN bend these guys over, pull there pants down, and spank them for as long as it takes to get what we want.

*their
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User is offline   Nfelli64 

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#8

Very good points here. But what I don't understand is how you guys are just brushing this off like it's nothing. We were told that we would get mod tools and we do in fact deserve the tools for waiting so long and receiving such a product. Why can't we just shake it out of them? I haven't seen any action being taken directly to gearbox about this. Have we ever even officially gotten word about the tools and its condition its in? We at least deserve that, don't you think?
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User is offline   Jim Rockford 

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#9

Wow much cluelessness
such entitlement
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User is offline   Spitfire '15 

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#10

View PostNUKEMDAVE, on 28 December 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

He actually started talking to me about this in private and I agree with him, except the DDOS'ing part.


Suuure. Admit it, you took advantage of the poor sap and fed him every word. :mellow:

View PostHendricks266, on 28 December 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Such a thing is highly illegal and increasingly well-protected against using CDNs and CloudFlare. The people responsible for the briefly intense period of hax including HBGary Federal, Stratfor, and the PlayStation Network have been or are being v& by the FBI.


Heh, how do you get the law in on that anyway? Those who were concerned by it wanted to do that back when Yang was being attacked, but we had no clue how. Is lawyering up the only way?

View PostHendricks266, on 28 December 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

I hate senses of entitlement.


You and me both, sister.

This post has been edited by Element of Kindness: 28 December 2013 - 08:18 PM

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User is offline   Micky C 

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#11

1. Barely anyone would bother making maps for DNF or anything these days. The game was crap when it came out, now it's 2+ year old crap.

2. The engine is pretty poor for working in anyway. Even eduke32 would be better since you can build pretty quickly in it and you can make something that looks decently modern with the right resources.

3. We might as well just wait for the next duke game, which will probably be a lot better and have better mod tools, and continue modding eduke in the meantime.

4. Don't forget Gearbox was SO AGAINST modding the game that they took out not only the console, but later the developer console as well. So they actually put time and effort into abolishing modding.

Yes Gearbox (especially the management) are dicks, but there's nothing we can do about it for all the reasons mentioned in this thread.
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User is offline   NUKEMDAVE 

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View PostHendricks266, on 28 December 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Completely ineffective.


Just like the fans were ineffective with Microsoft regarding Xbox One DRM? Yeah, that's a lot bigger, but I think there's enough Duke fans out there who could get something started if they really wanted to. The Duke Nukem page on Facebook has 400,000 likes, so there's enough interest out there to get some attention if those people could be reached. I know most of you don't like Randy Pitchford. Why not set a date and bombard him on Twitter about it? In a respectful way, of course. Even if it didn't do any good, I know you guys would get a kick out of it.

View PostElement of Kindness, on 28 December 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Suuure. Admit it, you took advantage of the poor sap and fed him every word. :mellow:


No, but I did know he was going to post this prior to him doing it, yes. I think there's better places to post about it than here, myself. This site is off balance. Not bashing modding, but I think this site has become more about modding nowadays than being about fans.
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User is offline   Forge 

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View PostNUKEMDAVE, on 28 December 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

I think there's better places to post about it than here,

like on a cork-board in the basement of an abandoned & condemned school house
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User is offline   NUKEMDAVE 

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View PostPlain Simple Garek, on 28 December 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

1. Barely anyone would bother making maps for DNF or anything these days. The game was crap when it came out, now it's 2+ year old crap.


That's definitely why they didn't want to release the tools. They didn't want people improving it and making them look bad. I would say them not releasing the older builds is for a similar reason, too. I'm sure there's things here and there in the older builds that would make the final product look lacking. The fact that it's been a few years is probably a good thing. Now would probably be a good time to bring this up to them. I'm pretty sure people would be interested in modding it still.

Also, if this new Interceptor game really is a Duke game and they end up releasing tools for it, that's going to look even worse on Gearbox's part. They'd be better off to release the DNF tools before this takes place.

This post has been edited by NUKEMDAVE: 28 December 2013 - 09:32 PM

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User is offline   ReaperMan 

#15

No one wants to mod DNF, its like putting a supercharger on a yugo.

This post has been edited by ReaperMan: 28 December 2013 - 09:29 PM

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User is offline   Person of Color 

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View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

I've been observing for a while now how quickly the Duke community has gotten screwed over. Most, if not all, people are obviously not pleased with how Duke Nukem Forever turned out and how the community received nothing it was promised! Most of you guys had just sat back and complained on this forum without doing much about anything. We were promised mod tools and now it's 2014 and nothing about the mod tools has even been officially discussed (to my knowledge)! Since we waited over 14 YEARS and taken a huge rollercoaster ride through all these development issues, in the end what we received is simply not acceptable. The community obviously deserves a lot more for how patient they have been and how civil everyone has been up to this point. Since we are the consumers and we are giving our money to this company, Gearbox, what we say should go. It should be time to make it as obvious as possible that we want the mod tools we were promised and possibly the older build files of the game if they even exist still today. What we need to do is show Gearbox that we are supporting them and we can simply not support them and they'll see how much it will hurt them. I think the best possible way is to create a protest. What we need to do is spam the forums, twitter, facebook to make it obvious to Gearbox how much we want these mod tools and builds. If we don't make a BIG deal about this NOTHING will ever get released. These guys don't have as much power as many of you guys make it seem. We CAN bend these guys over, pull there pants down, and spank them for as long as it takes to get what we want. They need to realize that WE have the power because WE are the gamers! Hell, even DDOS'ing the official site would create a huge response from Gearbox.
I believe if the Duke community comes together and shows Gearbox how we deserve these tools, things will get done a lot faster. If we continue to "wait it out" we will never see any modding or older builds in our lifetime. I believe if we put our heads together and protest Gearbox in the best way possible, we can get something going here. There is no reason why we do not have mod tools yet, there is even no reason why we can not have a look at older builds when we have waited 14 years for a rip off.
If anyone has any other ideas how to create a reaction from gearbox, I'm all ears!


People like you are why Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka quit BioWare.

Fuck off, and don't forget your sense of entitlement on the way out.

This post has been edited by Dial V for Viper: 28 December 2013 - 10:20 PM

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User is offline   Nfelli64 

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View PostDial V for Viper, on 28 December 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

People like you are why Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka quit BioWare.

Fuck off, and don't forget your sense of entitlement on the way out.


Fucking crucify me while you're at it http://forums.duke4.net/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif
These reactions were somewhat hilarious. I'll be posting more often nowhttp://forums.duke4.net/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif
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View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

If anyone has any other ideas how to create a reaction from gearbox, I'm all ears!

DNF was an OK game and I don't regret to have payed for the game. I wrote this before; I am actually glad that Gearbox never issued an editor. By now I would have wasted two years on a mod, without any cash in sight.

So you still want mod tools? Right here the Level Editor Superior and use this to rearrange all the DNF assets. Write to Gearbox and ask for permission to use the Duke character, chances are nil to get permission. So your mod will be a top secret endeavor.

This post has been edited by Hank: 28 December 2013 - 10:54 PM

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User is offline   Komenja 

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No one is getting anything from Gearbox Shovelware, asking politely or otherwise. For example, there's actually a bunch of people who want more content to be released for Aliens: Colonial Marines, specifically the Bug Hunt multiplayer mode. They've managed to get in touch with a guy from Demiurge Studios, the group that made Bug Hunt mode, and though he seems like he'd want to make more content for it, it doesn't look like anything is actually going to happen. Gearbox hasn't responded to it at all. The fanbase for Aliens is substantially larger than the fanbase for Duke Nukem, if they can't get something from Gearbox by being nice, I don't think we could.
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Let's face it; in the grand scheme of gaming, who gives a fuck about Duke Nukem anymore?
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View PostComrade Major, on 29 December 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Let's face it; in the grand scheme of gaming, who gives a fuck about Duke Nukem anymore?


Everyone who bought Duke Nukem Forever and the recent Duke re-releases. C'mon, enough of this Duke-is-irrelevant stuff. Whenever there's an off James Bond film, they just keep going and make a better one. I just hope it's the same way here.

I just think it's weird Gearbox doesn't ever mention Duke. Not even a Christmas Duke tweet. There is no fan outreach, no assurance that Duke is alive and still out there. They don't have to announce a new Duke game yet, but at least show they care about their products. They'll talk about Borderlands 2 over a year but nothing else. All this silence drums up the same amount of hype that announcing something would.
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User is offline   Lunick 

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We're not the only people to like Duke Nukem, I mean there is this group http://steamcommunit...DukeNukemBegins even though I think a majority of people joined just because free games...
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View PostComrade Major, on 29 December 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Let's face it; in the grand scheme of gaming, who gives a fuck about Duke Nukem anymore?

True if your talking about DNF, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who want another awesome Duke game and plenty of them won't post on forums either. Duke 3D is still universally revered, thankfully that's not likely to change.

As for wanting mod tools, forget about it, I'm pretty sure Shovelware wants everyone to forget about DNF so why would they want to bring back memories of it again by releasing mod tools to people who probably wont even use them other than to add more tits and poop?
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View Posthismasterplan, on 29 December 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

I just think it's weird Gearbox doesn't ever mention Duke. Not even a Christmas Duke tweet.

No shit, maybe because they want people to forget about Duke, which everyone outside the Duke community has.
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View PostNfelli64, on 28 December 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

We were promised mod tools

By 3DRealms, not by Gearbox. And 3DRealms had already decided not to release mod tools even before selling the IP to Gearbox, so, if you really want to bark up a tree, be sure to choose the correct one.

Do you really want an UnrealEd-style editor and Duke Nukem-style weapons? Then I suggest you to:
1) go buy Unreal Gold
2) update it to the latest version of OldUnreal
3) install the Unreal4Ever weapon pack (yes, it's actually called that), by decompressing it with this utility

Will you still complain that it's not the real thing? Then I suggest you to:
1) STFU
2) GTFO

View PostThe Commander, on 29 December 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

No shit, maybe because they want people to forget about Duke, which everyone outside the Duke community has.

Or maybe they want to avoid the absolutely DISASTROUS self-feeding hype cycle that happened with DNF, and which would inevitably happen again with any other new Duke game, should they decide to talk about it before it goes gold. In which case they are wiser than 3DRealms.

A decade or so ago, during a particularly nasty flame war in the 3DRealms forum, I had PM'd Joe, telling him that if they really believed the "Area 51 rules" they preached and they really wanted to prevent flame wars, they should have erased the DNF section from the forum and banned whoever talked about it. Joe's reply was approximately "Do you have any idea of the hell we would go through if we did that?"
History showed that they went through a much worse hell by not doing that.

This post has been edited by Altered Reality: 30 December 2013 - 11:26 AM

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User is offline   Micky C 

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#26

Don't forget that Gearbox very happily fed the hype monster prior to release, with the general consensus being that they wanted to maximize preorder sales to rake in cash before people realized how crap the game actually was.
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View PostPlain Simple Garek, on 30 December 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Don't forget that Gearbox very happily fed the hype monster prior to release, with the general consensus being that they wanted to maximize preorder sales to rake in cash before people realized how crap the game actually was.

Well of course they did that: everyone was aware of the situation, and staying silent at that point in time would have done absolutely nothing against the hype monster that had existed since 1997.
And even so, they were still less shameless than Joe Siegler, who lied in the 3DRealms forum in 2010, denying that Gearbox had bought the Duke Nukem IP and going as far as erasing a thread where the rumor was discussed, with the excuse that it was "bullshit".
But of course, Joe was not new at that kind of game. He already played it in 2002, when the rumor had come out that Human Head was reviving Prey. Joe's response was to say that "it was completely false" and lock the thread.
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View PostHendricks266, on 28 December 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Such a thing is highly illegal and increasingly well-protected against using CDNs and CloudFlare. The people responsible for the briefly intense period of hax including HBGary Federal, Stratfor, and the PlayStation Network have been or are being v& by the FBI.

While it is illegal, it is not very pratical to enforce such laws because for an DDoS attack to be effective it often requires a large number of individuals. But for the same reason, it's very unlikely anyone here would be able to accomplish anything.

View PostPlain Simple Garek, on 30 December 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Don't forget that Gearbox very happily fed the hype monster prior to release, with the general consensus being that they wanted to maximize preorder sales to rake in cash before people realized how crap the game actually was.

Isn't pre-order kinda of always like that?

This post has been edited by Fox: 30 December 2013 - 06:58 AM

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User is offline   Jim Rockford 

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#29

Gearbox's purchase of the Duke Nukem IP was purely a business decision perhaps motivated by old friendships. 3D Realms needed to get DNF out the door and recoup their losses at any cost. 3DR could pretty much break even while Gearbox picks up the pieces making a decent profit and removing competition. They practically did the same thing with Aliens Colonial Marines. Both games were just a way to shuffle some money around and besmirch the reputation of competition. It's obvious that Gearbox only cares about its own original properties.

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View PostJimmy, on 30 December 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

Gearbox's purchase of the Duke Nukem IP was purely a business decision perhaps motivated by old friendships. 3D Realms needed to get DNF out the door and recoup their losses at any cost. 3DR could pretty much break even while Gearbox picks up the pieces making a decent profit and removing competition. They practically did the same thing with Aliens Colonial Marines. Both games were just a way to shuffle some money around and besmirch the reputation of competition. It's obvious that Gearbox only cares about its own original properties.


True. I read somewhere that Gearbox is selling the Duke Franchise. Of course, a rumour but Randy is frustrated by the fact that he has a franchise he has no idea how to handle.
Anyway, Interceptor is working on something. Scott Miller and Jon st John are involved. I hope it is Duke Nukem, mostly because Fred has some ideas that are fresh and new. Hopefully they will somehow work with Triptych or just Allen Blum. If it will be an AAA-game I have no idea. But they full-time employees and just got a 1million $ loan from their state. That is twice the money if not more, than their average game RotT costed. Rise of the Triad at release state was Beta for me. After 1.2 it is fine, but it took god damn long. It costed me 10$ as I bought a four-pack. Let's see if they can make something better. Let's hope so!

Also, I don't really think Gearbox would care about ''us''. It's not like we're the only people who likes Duke Nukem.
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