[Hendricks266]

Over on The Postmortem, owned by Daedolon and where I am also a moderator, I am experiencing a character assassination. If you have a free moment, I would appreciate if you would sign up for the Posty forums, both to breathe some new life into the community, and to lend me your support.

EDIT: The situation is resolved and the thread is locked, but I still welcome anyone interested to join.

[Micky C]

I've tried to read though that thread to get an idea of what the problem is (as well as trying to read through each side's points objectively), which seems to be some long term on-going political grievance, making it hard for outsiders to step in and instantly know all the goings-on.

So you basically want us to step in and say you're a good guy? I agree with that but I'm not sure how much difference it would make, and I was thinking this before I came across this post:

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Of course Lunick is in the dark, he has 6 posts for god sakes, who the hell is he to stick his neck out and utter any word at all? Considering the brunt of his remark and he's literally just new, he seems more like a usuper if anything.

Political discussions are often quite tetchy and emotional, and considering I have no idea what the situation over there is or what is explicitly best for the Postmortem I'll admit I'd feel somewhat uncomfortable just walking in there and taking sides, especially considering my above point.

[Lunick]

My point still stands in there, I'm not a forum regular because of that statement. I've heard and seen enough stories from IRC to know about all the main members of that shitty forum.

[Hendricks266]

To summarize:

In August 2012, Jace Hall made a visit to The Postmortem. In the resulting burst of activity, Daedolon made me a moderator both on the forums and the IRC channel so that someone from a United States time zone could keep a watchful eye during more hours of the day. I have remained a moderator since, with the title "BUILD Specialist", owing to my EDuke32 Development and years of modding, collecting, and research.

The attack is twofold:

1. Posty old-timers don't like the fact that someone they haven't seen around their own forums is a moderator, despite my qualifications, presence in IRC, knowledge of the game, and the fact that I'm no foreigner to the "scene".
2. I'm trying to combat some racist users (you know, actually moderating) but I'm seen as "disturbing the balance". Daedalus took offense to me modifying the official rules to explicitly prohibit discrimination by race, gender, and some other things, even though I talked to Daedolon about it.

In addition, people are questioning if I even care about Blood at all because I have not been active in the forums.

[Micky C]

Yeah I love a bit of racial humour, granted of course that everyone knows it's all intended as good fun (saw Anchorman 2 today for example), so it's not that we should have zero "racist" posts, but those two posts you used as examples were pretty sickening.

Edit: I've made a post over there. Waiting for it to be approved.

[Person of Color]

Dear God, that first post was like, the Fukushima of spergouts.

Why does Blood have the worst community ever? Every time I go on that place to lurk it's just outta control.

[Kathy]

Send in the Spec Ops(Viper, Jimmy, Radar) and watch it burn from the orbit.

[Ronin]

As much as I would like to vouch for you, as you are a fair and decent mod and in no way a control freak like they are trying to make you out to be, I think a bunch of us signing up to back you up would only weaken your position in that community.
I had a snoop around that forum and I actually feel dirty after being there, creepy place, let them burn, maybe a better community for Blood will rise from the ashes.

[Kathy]

Ronan, on 21 December 2013 - 05:36 AM, said:

As much as I would like to vouch for you, as you are a fair and decent mod and in no way a control freak like they are trying to make you out to be, I think a bunch of us signing up to back you up would only weaken your position in that community.

Yep, I don't really know what good it would accomplish. At first I thought the problem would be lack of posters, not the civil war.

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I had a snoop around that forum and I actually feel dirty after being there, creepy place, let them burn, maybe a better community for Blood will rise from the ashes.

Makes me wonder how Duke4's forums look from the outside.

[Daedolon]

Dial V for Viper, on 21 December 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Why does Blood have the worst community ever?

Yes.

The best part about is that in reality it's a DOOM and a Quake community with people who like Blood in passing.

[Micky C]

Ronan, on 21 December 2013 - 05:36 AM, said:

As much as I would like to vouch for you, as you are a fair and decent mod and in no way a control freak like they are trying to make you out to be, I think a bunch of us signing up to back you up would only weaken your position in that community.
I had a snoop around that forum and I actually feel dirty after being there, creepy place, let them burn, maybe a better community for Blood will rise from the ashes.

It seems like a very delicate situation. Obviously by bringing in some other people to back him up he's helping to validate some of his claims such as positive community involvement. On the other hand showing the need to get validation from outside the blood community as opposed to inside could be seen as negative and further distance himself from everyone else. However I don't think it would hurt too much (although I could be wrong) for a few people to go over there and give some calm, objective notes, and not just "omg hendrix rools every1 else droolz" or something like that.

But what do I care? I'm never going to post there again

[DukeNukem64]

Kathy, on 21 December 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

Yep, I don't really know what good it would accomplish. At first I thought the problem would be lack of posters, not the civil war.


Makes me wonder how Duke4's forums look from the outside.

I can tell you that. Most people from the outside find people in here arrogant and a bunch of *put some offensive words here*, and they mostly mean Eduke32 Devs. Don't ask why, but people keep telling me to keep away from here. I am not attacking anyone, just saying what people says about you. Since you asked

Anyway, why did you become a Blood Mod in the first place Hendricks?

[Hank]

@ Hendricks266 - Sorry dude, I have great respect for you here at duke4 and refuse to even read the entire tripe from another forum.
I say - If they no longer need your expertise, show them the finger and move on to bigger and better things. Why? One only gets one chance at life, one way ticked, no replay, no refund, no time to waste.

[Forge]

Hendricks266, on 21 December 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

Over on The Postmortem, owned by Daedolon and where I am also a moderator, I am experiencing a character assassination. If you have a free moment, I would appreciate if you would sign up for the Posty forums, both to breathe some new life into the community, and to lend me your support.

You're fair and impartial for the most part here and show a maturity beyond your years, but i wouldn't touch that mess with a ten foot pole

where is Jarmo in all this? You're talking circles with disgruntled forum members and there's no resolution in sight. Daedolon needs to step in and lay down the law.

DukeNukem64, on 21 December 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Most people from the outside find people in here arrogant and they mostly mean Eduke32 Devs.

not a popular opinion from an insider, but it's true

DukeNukem64, on 21 December 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Don't ask why, but people keep telling me to keep away from here. I am not attacking anyone, just saying what people says about you.

Why is easy to answer. Again not a popular opinion from the inside, but outsiders (otherwise known as "noobs") nine times out of ten get hammered and walked on when they come here asking "stupid" questions and not using the "proper" protocol for their queries. Failing to read every sticky post is not an excuse for ignorance. Breaching no-no subjects like eduke32 multiplayer or polymer optimization is also likely to get a shut-the-fuck-up from the devs.
Insiders see this constant barrage of "nonsense" as annoying, outsiders are like "what the fuck did i do? Screw this, i'm outta here."

maybe slightly exaggerated to get the point across, but that's the gist of it

[DustFalcon85]

I already signed up shortly after Jace Hall joined in. I'm gonna go lasso friends of mine and people who frequent GOG.com's Blood series forums into joining The Postmortem if I can.

UPDATE. Steam has The Postmortem group too!

[DukeNukem64]

Oh my god i just read the whole thing through. I am truly sorry to read that personal attack, especially after reading that guy Status comments. How the fuck is he not banned?! Anyway good luck in there. I mean, come on it is just gaming after all those guys are being straight up assholes.

[TerminX]

DukeNukem64, on 21 December 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

I can tell you that. Most people from the outside find people in here arrogant and a bunch of *put some offensive words here*, and they mostly mean Eduke32 Devs. Don't ask why, but people keep telling me to keep away from here. I am not attacking anyone, just saying what people says about you.

[Forge]

TerminX, on 21 December 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

you broke my sarcasm detector

well, when you're the biggest dog on the block and you're providing a free port, you can afford to act anyway you want

i personally have no issue with it, and if "noobs" can withstand the initiation hazing and browbeating they'll discover that the community is just fine.

[Radar]

DukeNukem64, on 21 December 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

I can tell you that. Most people from the outside find people in here arrogant and a bunch of *put some offensive words here*

What other Duke organizations are you a part of where they say that?

Kathy, on 21 December 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Send in the Spec Ops(Viper, Jimmy, Radar) and watch it burn from the orbit.

I'd give you a billion upvotes if I could.

[Kathy]

[couldn't find something funny to answer]

[ReaperMan]

We should just all go over there and post "Down with the postmortem!!!", that would surely spice things up.

Anyway, Hendricks is a good moderator and i say if they don't want him there its their loss.

[Kathy]

We should invite them here to sort things over. That Cruo one looks nice.

[Person of Color]

Cruo will make a great addition to BLARF, the Blue Lightning Aryan Resistance Front.

[Radar]

Kathy, on 21 December 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

[couldn't find something funny to answer]

*sigh* I am disappointed.

[Jblade]

That is a whole lot of fucking words about a forum moderator.

Just leave that place. If the gist of it is that you wanted to introduce rules that allowed a place to be more inclusive and less racist and you get that as a response, just leave. There's plenty of other places to talk about Blood (even here is a start)

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Why is easy to answer. Again not a popular opinion from the inside, but outsiders (otherwise known as "noobs") nine times out of ten get hammered and walked on when they come here asking "stupid" questions and not using the "proper" protocol for their queries. Failing to read every sticky post is not an excuse for ignorance. Breaching no-no subjects like eduke32 multiplayer or polymer optimization is also likely to get a shut-the-fuck-up from the devs.
Insiders see this constant barrage of "nonsense" as annoying, outsiders are like "what the fuck did i do? Screw this, i'm outta here."

I haven't seen the devs be rude lately, it's just a few posters who take it upon themselves to respond like that. It should definitely be stopped and discouraged, since insular communities are some of the worst ones around normally full of fucktons of drama and bullshit.

This place is far from perfect, but at least when I saw someone decided to be openly homophobic here nearly the entire forum jumped on him and he's only just now started to come back to good graces by releasing stuff, taking part and keeping that horrid opinion to himself.

[MusicallyInspired]

Spoke my mind. Probably won't help your actual cause. I apologize for that. It was just so disgusting to read through. If you like you can delete it.

[Jblade]

Also I don't really want to result to slander, but Daedalus and half of the other people there comes across as fucking nutty and for your own sake, please just stay the fuck away from him and his ilk. It's admirable for you to fight for people's rights on that forum and I've gained a huge amount of respect for you, but it's not worth subjecting yourself to it. It's as much use as arguing with the Westboro baptist church (ie fucking useless)

[Radar]

James, on 21 December 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

This place is far from perfect, but at least when I saw someone decided to be openly homophobic here nearly the entire forum jumped on him and he's only just now started to come back to good graces by releasing stuff, taking part and keeping that horrid opinion to himself.

Yeeaaaaah, not sure if that situation was the best example of this forum inspiring someone to come to good graces.

Was his opinion foolish? Yes. Did he deserve rebuke? Yes. But that thread was way too much, and just blind insults against him for almost 10 pages. And the fact that he almost stopped modding for Duke was terrible. I remember this post was made by Deadolon recently:

Daedolon, on 07 December 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

I don't care about the jokes or politics because that's not what I'm here for -- I can just ignore them. But what I am worried about is the slowed rate of new project releases, announcements and other EDuke32/Mapster32 related editing and project discussion.

[Jblade]

We'll just have to agree to disagree there, he deserved the insults because of how thoughtless he was being. I don't care how good someone is at modding a game, if they're being openly racist or homophobic it doesn't matter. Being good at what you do doesn't excuse you being a terrible human being.

The slowed rate of projects isn't something to be worried about (and personally I think 'announcements' of projects are completely worthless and should only be done when the project is a few months away from completion) because shit happens and we all mod in our free time when we feel like it (and not all of us want to come home from work and start more work of a different nature)

[Radar]

I see your point and understand where you're coming from. Being a good modder isn't the same as being a good man.

I just think there are negatives to both extremes. A forum can't be bigot-infested, but a forum can't be a bunch of sensitive sissies either.