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Youtube going after gameplay videos for copyright violations.  "This is Horse-Motherfucking-Shit!"

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It's unfortunate that Youtube is going after game play videos that has copyrighted stuff in them. We need a new YouTube-like service that doesn't get shit on by these greedy copyright holders.

http://www.joystiq.c...-youtube-again/

This post has been edited by DustFalcon85: 19 December 2013 - 09:22 PM

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View PostDustFalcon85, on 11 December 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

FUCK CAPITALISM!!

Economics is irrelevant. We're talking about copyright law.
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#3

Forcing Google + on us. Then Taking away lets play videos.

I hope Youtube starts to fail.

This post has been edited by ReaperMan: 11 December 2013 - 05:12 PM

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#4

I really want copyright laws need to be toned down. I'm just getting sick of copyright holders bitching a/b the videos.
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User is offline   leilei 

#5

You can thank Pewdiepie and his wannabes for the twisting whole Let's Play (and make unfunny jokes while earning money from it agreeing to random monetization offers that are really only suitable for 100% original by yourself content opening a pandora's box bastardizing the Let's Play genre as a slacker's way to earn scratch by being unfunny and now companies are finally catching wind of these kids playing their games whole trying to earn a buck by claiming their rape jokes are creative material being the product they're selling) thing.

When Let's Play started on SA, it was never about the easy money schemes.


It's why we can't have nice things

This post has been edited by leilei: 11 December 2013 - 05:18 PM

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#6

Are they becoming Fascists??

Uploading a game video is (like) a way to PROMOTE the game.

As for modern and classic games videos.
I see many comments in video game videos saying this game looks great I will buy it.
So it helps spreading the game and promoting it.


Will it attack people playing classic Atari, Commodore, SNES . GEN and NES games etc?

This post has been edited by Zaxtor: 12 December 2013 - 01:28 AM

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I think the move is more about, for example, the kids going through GTAV to completion on the internet in its entirety so you don't have to plunk $60 for it while those kids earn money from the eyes that watch them slog through the game because they accepted monetization offers disregarding original content clauses doing it as a living because they're too slack to get a job. It's especially a problem in this day and age where nothing is innovative and single player games are sold mostly for their linear narrative - why buy and play a Metal Gear game when you could watch a kid run through the series for ad revenue? The company gets no money, the kid does. ContentID matches change that.

.......rather than actual fair use practices, such as game reviews... I believe the situation I described above is completely different than this.

This post has been edited by leilei: 12 December 2013 - 02:19 AM

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#8

I don't see what the problem is if people aren't getting ad money from the videos.

If nothing else it's great to see some gameplay to check whether a game is to your taste, but also as a walk through for when you get really really stuck somewhere and just want to see how someone gets past a certain point.
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View PostDustFalcon85, on 11 December 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

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What does Capitalism have to do with it? This is about copyright LAW. It has nothing to do with the economic system at work. Even if we were talking about state despots, there would still be copyright law, run by the state, and it would be just as greedy, if not more so since it has a military to back up it's claims. Seriously, go spend a few years where states garnish your wages "for your good" and then come back and bitch about Capitalism.

View PostMicky C, on 12 December 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

I don't see what the problem is if people aren't getting ad money from the videos.


They're making money off of something that isn't theirs for one thing. It's a violation of the terms of service. That's the problem.


Honestly, it's always bugged me that people were making money off of something that they did not create. I do not agree with the likes of Totalbiscuit and others who say that a Let's Play is some form of art, or content creation. It's really not. It's just someone playing through a game. Which I think is fine in and of itself, but it is not a job, why would you be allowed to make money off of that? It would be just as absurd to make money off a video of you playing a music album and recording your stereo for 50 minutes. You're literally doing nothing but playing a game casually for cash. It's not a review, it's not a competitive arena. You're literally making that money off backs of the hard work of game developers.

As to whether it's a source of returns for game developers as some kind of advertisement for them is neither here nor there, and I do think it should be up to their discretion as to whether these things are dealt with or not on a case by case basis. Some companies may not care. Others might. It's their IP, let them decide.
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View PostCommando Nukem, on 12 December 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

What does Capitalism have to do with it? This is about copyright LAW. It has nothing to do with the economic system at work. Even if we were talking about state despots, there would still be copyright law, run by the state, and it would be just as greedy, if not more so since it has a military to back up it's claims. Seriously, go spend a few years where states garnish your wages "for your good" and then come back and bitch about Capitalism.


I was taking aim at wrong things in the video gaming industry. Like developers becoming acquisitions by big publishers that chose money over quality. Publisher forcing developers to create a specific game instead of developers having creative freedom. Publishers shutting down developers. Refusing to release the source codes to the public. That's why the video gaming industry blows nowadays.

I agree w/ George Brousarrd's tweet: https://twitter.com/...683516776288256

Now moving on to attacking the copyright laws.

This post has been edited by DustFalcon85: 12 December 2013 - 11:18 AM

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View Postleilei, on 11 December 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

You can thank Pewdiepie and his wannabes for the twisting whole Let's Play (and make unfunny jokes while earning money from it agreeing to random monetization offers that are really only suitable for 100% original by yourself content opening a pandora's box bastardizing the Let's Play genre as a slacker's way to earn scratch by being unfunny and now companies are finally catching wind of these kids playing their games whole trying to earn a buck by claiming their rape jokes are creative material being the product they're selling) thing.

When Let's Play started on SA, it was never about the easy money schemes.


It's why we can't have nice things


Totally agree with you!!!
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View PostDustFalcon85, on 11 December 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

FUCK CAPITALISM!!


ALL GLORY TO SOCIALISM!!

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#13

Mikko Sandt will have something to say about this. A lot of something.

He's the big bad meanie who doesn't like to help others. The biggest, baddest meanie of them all.
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#14

Almost difficult to watch at some points as he starts getting quite emotional.



This post has been edited by MusicallyInspired: 12 December 2013 - 09:55 PM

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yeah
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#16

Every time I have uploaded game play footage I have made sure it doesn't contain any music as that tends to get auto flagged straight away.
Most of the games I have uploaded footage of actually have statements from the authors stating that you are allowed to upload the footage to YouTube and make money from it. (Minecraft/Garrys Mod come to mind)
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Mikko called me a subhuman and a weakling. He said he'd be a much greater man if it weren't for all the Muslims in Finland. I cried for days.
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View PostCommando Nukem, on 12 December 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

They're making money off of something that isn't theirs for one thing. It's a violation of the terms of service. That's the problem.


Read my post carefully, I said if they're not making money by uploading the videos then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do that.
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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 12 December 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Almost difficult to watch at some points as he starts getting quite emotional.




His next video is much better and actually has a lot of good points.

Here's a good example of how the ID system is screwed up:

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I got a content ID claim from using music which is provided by youtube in the YT creator tools. It even says above the download link that it is fine for use in monetized videos, but their bullshit id match system means someone is able to make a false claim against it


This post has been edited by zykov eddy: 13 December 2013 - 05:51 PM

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Btw, here's a funny thing. Got my Borg Nukem gameplay video flagged for a midi song that's playing in it. Lol.

This post has been edited by zykov eddy: 13 December 2013 - 05:53 PM

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Dude, this shit is horrible.
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View PostDial V for Viper, on 12 December 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

Mikko Sandt will have something to say about this. A lot of something.

He's the big bad meanie who doesn't like to help others. The biggest, baddest meanie of them all.


I am continually praying for Mikko. He has called me many names in the past but I must always remember to show kindness to those that persecute me. I have faith that he can be enlightened and truly discover the right path through continuous fasting and prayer. God bless him.
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Now it's the beginning of the end of an era for YouTube. They won't last long with their dumb practices.

View PostFox, on 12 December 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

ALL GLORY TO SOCIALISM!!

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View PostDustFalcon85, on 18 December 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

Now it's the beginning of the end of an era for YouTube. They won't last long with their dumb practices.

A bit late to say that, don't?

It has been for a long time that Youtube is just a shitty site which a lot of people visit because... a lot of people visit.

This post has been edited by Fox: 18 December 2013 - 06:58 AM

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Hmmm do you suppose YouTube are doing this on purpose to really expose the draconian nature of the current outdated copyright laws? It's pretty extreme if they are....I doubt it, but I also wonder...

This post has been edited by MusicallyInspired: 18 December 2013 - 11:41 AM

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No. It's not really extreme for what YouTube has been doing since Google took over it. Basically Google gave free pass for copyright holders to close videos on their own. And there are some particular famous cases, for example the "homeless guy with Arnold Schwarzenegger voice" was shutdown by a broadcaster after they showed the YouTube video on television.

YouTube should be renamed to OurTubeYouSuck.

This post has been edited by Fox: 19 December 2013 - 01:22 AM

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#27

I once had a video flagged for some music, and I was able to argue it by saying the song was public domain. The video was never taken down so I assume they bought it?
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Another stupid thing occurs when youtube block videos without clarifying whether the claim is even real.
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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 18 December 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Hmmm do you suppose YouTube are doing this on purpose to really expose the draconian nature of the current outdated copyright laws? It's pretty extreme if they are....I doubt it, but I also wonder...

I don't think so. Google is most probably acting under the influence of crack, aka their new automated layer.
As you know not all game makers are interested in getting those videos pulled
http://www.forbes.co...cted-youtubers/
They probably understand that the indirect free advertisement of their games outweigh a silly copyright law.

This post has been edited by Hank: 18 December 2013 - 09:47 PM

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User is online   Lunick 

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Some Indie Devs are getting copyright claims against music they made in their own games... https://twitter.com/...055480315920384
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