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Suicide  "Why not?"

Poll: Suicide (49 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you consider suicide as a possible solution to one's suffering?

  1. Yes (23 votes [46.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.94%

  2. No (26 votes [53.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.06%

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Yeah...

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For myself? No. I'd find that selfish as that would affect the lives of others in some way or another (family/close friends).

However, not everyone has that so I don't know...

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Is someone you know seriously considering it?

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I'm not going to vote because my answer would be "Yes*", with the * being a caveat so huge it's effectively "No". Technically it could be, but if you have anything or anyone in your life at all and even a hint of a future, it's not. If you know that you are imminently doomed to suffer through a permanent and all-encompassing debilitating illness, by all means make an exit while you can still maintain some agency.
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I think in extreme circumstances euthanasia is ok. I mean if someone is 100 years old, has lived a full vibrant life, and is slowly going to die crippled in a bed in agonizing pain over a period of several months, then if that person wants to go peacefully and with dignity I would agree with that. Then as the situation becomes less extreme it starts to come into a grey area.

However what do you mean suicide? Are you talking about the average person contemplating it? Because if someone wants to suicide it's normally the result of depression of some kind, either a chemical imbalance in the brain (which can be treated with the appropriate medication) or some kind of hardship such as rape or the loss of a loved one/a lot of money/other stuff. In the 2nd case, people need to remember to get proper help and that life can get better. It would be a shame if someone with great potential decided to kill themselves just as their life would have been about to change for the better.

So in the extreme euthanasia case, I would say yes it's a possible solution. In just about every other case, I'll say no.

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I voted No
Except, modern medicine is able to keep a body alive, but is still very far from actually healing said body. In those cases, well, if you can't fix it, then stay out of it and let nature solve the issue.

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I'm waiting to see someone post NO because of religious beliefs. Then watch how fast the topic degrades to Christianity bashing or the foolishness of religion in general. :P
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View PostMicky C, on 20 July 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

However what do you mean suicide? Are you talking about the average person contemplating it? Because if someone wants to suicide it's normally the result of depression of some kind, either a chemical imbalance in the brain (which can be treated with the appropriate medication) or some kind of hardship such as rape or the loss of a loved one/a lot of money/other stuff. In the 2nd case, people need to remember to get proper help and that life can get better. It would be a shame if someone with great potential decided to kill themselves just as their life would have been about to change for the better.

I hate the argument "what if it get better". What if it get worse?

Mark. said:

I'm waiting to see someone post NO because of religious beliefs. Then watch how fast the topic degrades to Christianity bashing or the foolishness of religion in general.

Thanks for not waiting someone to actually post it.

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Is someone you know seriously considering it?

It's always under consideration.

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Yes, in the end it's the choice of the individual. I would never consider it an option myself unless I was reduced to a vegetable or some other humiliating state. There is a history of it in my family and the aftermath has left a trail of carnage in many peoples lives, my uncle did it, and my brother has made a few attempts and is at the moment heading that way again, I don't want him to go as I think his problems can be solved with the correct medication. If he does do go that way I will be a completely different person after, but still there is only so much suffering one can take and if they can see no light I guess I can understand why it would be an option.

This post has been edited by Ronan: 20 July 2013 - 07:29 AM

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Besides, eventually you will still die, suicide or not. It's quite understandable if someone wants to hasten the process under circumstances.

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View PostKathy, on 20 July 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

I hate the argument "what if it get better". What if it get worse?


What if it does get better? It's a valid point. It's happened more times than I like to think, and doctor's push people into hospice care so fast, people think it's so great until they actually get in there, and realize... Yeah, dude, they're not there to treat you. They're there to fluff your pillow, bring you a small amount of pain meds, and basically watch you slowly slip away in agony. Never sign DNR's or surrender your right to additional treatment. People come out of some of the worst diseases, even well into their "golden years" where so many young pompous doctors think "Bah, they lived their full life, they should just die already." Practically with no exaggeration.

My uncle, 72, was in an accident where he took in a huge chunk of water into his lungs during snorkeling. His odds were initially 10%, then they rapidly went up to 50% a week later. He's back to his old self now, and nearly done with physical therapy. In that first week, the doctor's were pushing on my aunt to sign a DNR, and to take him off life support. They were actually annoyed with her for not signing away my uncle's life.



Is suicide okay? It's not just a question of individual rights. It's a question that reflects upon our entire society. To what importance do we hold life as a whole? Unfortunately, as my beliefs require me to hold true to what is most important, the foundation of individual rights, I have to say that suicide is in fact a personal choice, but I think it is something that as a society, as a species, we should not be so eager to embrace. People, when presented with an abyss of agony, especially not knowing what the future holds, may choose to make a discreet exit... but new treatments, new medications, are always cropping up, and what would have certainly killed you ten years ago, can be very easily treated today. That's the danger with not fighting what is considered a "hopeless" battle.

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View PostCommando Nukem, on 20 July 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Unfortunately, as my beliefs require me to hold true to what is most important, the foundation of individual rights, I have to say that suicide is in fact a personal choice,

Why is it unfortunate? And if it is, you can change your opinion, can't you?

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For one.. Why do you ask? You're not contemplating suicide are you?

I think it's the wrong way to go. The only suicide I think was actually "meaningful" was the suicide of Budd Dwyer and George Eastman. I also think that the Japanese who would commit suicide rather than be captured as to be honorable to the emperor, was wrong really, but the fact that they would do it for their country amazes me.

Dwyer committed suicide because if he was found guilty for crimes he did not commit, his family would suffer and lose most of their money and what not. By committing suicide, he saved his family from those problems. He would've been found guilty at the time, no doubt, but it has been proven he did nothing wrong, and so it's rather sad.

George Eastman, founder of Eastman Kodak, and popularized roll film, committed suicide, and his reasoning is behind his letter, "My work is done. Why wait?" He suffered from a type of Lumbar spinal stenosis, and was in a lot of pain, and I don't think it was treatable at the time (maybe still isn't), or it was just a very strong case that could not be corrected by surgery of any kind. So, he did in fact commit suicide to end the suffering, but he was also 77 years old, and lived a long wealthy life.

I think that people who have cancer or some other type of disease should be able to commit suicide when it is obvious they will not survive the disease, "Assisted Suicide" would be great. Why can we let dogs, cats, etc be put down when they're in great pain and will never recover, but we can't to ourselves? Many of you may not understand this, but I have had a loved one who died from cancer, and during the final parts of her life, she was nothing like herself, and she died confused. It's not right. The woman I knew was dead weeks before she died.

I think if you find suicide the option because you're girlfriend dumped you, you lost your job, you have erectile dysfunction, people bully you for being different, and things like that, that's not the right choice, and it's really cowardly in my personal opinion, BUT I do know some people have depression problems when thinking about suicide, and they cannot convince themselves it's not the right thing to do. That's when they need to see doctors. That's just my opinion, and I don't mean to offend anyone.

Suicide is not the best option for everything. I really oppose it, but there are very few cases that you do think, "They're better off that way now, it's what they wanted" but then there's times you can't think that, there's times where you'll feel upset with someone else or yourself for it happening, but really it's just the person who pulled the trigger, tied the knot, etc that's responsible. I had a friend who got into a major fight with his girlfriend, and she broke up with him and then told him to, "Go fucking kill yourself" knowing he had problems, and so he did it. It's not the girls fault for dumping him, but she knows that she shouldn't have said that to him, but he is the one who did it. It's hard for me to explain, but really it's sad it happened, but you can't just blame the girl, it was him. I don't know if he was even depressed (except for the fact she dumped him and told him to kill himself), he just did it as a "I'll show you".

For myself, I would never commit suicide. If I thought about it, I'd seek help.

This post has been edited by Moose Man: 20 July 2013 - 09:40 AM

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Suicide is a viable solution, only in very very extreme cases.

99% of the time it's not worth it.

If you're thinking about it, don't.

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Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, then it's not the end.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
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i'm going to go against the grain on this one.
suicide is one of the most selfish acts one can do. Everything revolves around the "me and my misery", not how it affects the people around them.
that being said it's still a personal choice and i feel social stigmas shouldn't be shoved down our throats
as long as your actions don't directly affect another person's physical being or freedom of existence, then if you want to end your habitation of this planet, by all means carry on.

religious: i have religion (based on christian faith), but my philosophy is hate the sin, not the sinner. if God didn't want us to have free will he wouldn't have given it to us. what you do is between you and God. it's not my place to judge.
(footnote: i'm not a doormat, if your actions affect my circle i will exercise my free will and God can deal with me when the time comes)

edit: i've had friend and family members kill themselves for reasons other than physical health reasons. tragic, sad, dumb, but it's what they wanted. Why should "untreatable" physical maladies be justifiable, but not mental health maladies? Sure, you can dope somebody up and make them lethargic, but are they any better off? They may be walking around breathing and functioning, but are they happy and "cured"?

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View PostMs. Radar, on 20 July 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Depends on the problem.
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life is a temporary problem
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I, personally, have little value for life itself. Which sounds wrong, I reckon, but in my opinion everything is just random states of nature and happenstance. It's all just chaos to me. (I do not believe in god.) I don't think anything actually matters at all. I do respect that other people don't feel that way, and that's one of the main reasons I am still here. I don't really have a desire to go through life most of the time. I don't know why really, it just doesn't interest me. But I do love my brothers and my sister, and a few other folks that I know it would break their hearts. I was blessed with a decent moral compass. I try to live by a philosophy of "Do no harm." Which is kind of hard because growing up I developed a sense of humour that makes me quite a dick sometimes. I'm working on that. I do not support suicide as a means to end your life because you're unhappy. No man is an island. Your life has some value to someone somewhere.

However, watching my mom fight cancer for 18 months, and nursing her in the last six, staying in the hospital with her for weeks at a time... I just fully support suicide as means to end a life plagued by terminal illness. Because I loved her, nothing made me happier than to see her go. Which sounds fucked up, but the pain and loss of dignity were incredible. A beautiful smart woman stricken down way too early and forced through unimaginable suffering. Sometimes death is just the humane answer. (And on a slightly unrelated note, this is why I do not support the death penalty. Death is not a punishment.)

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the religious guy supports suicide for mental issues, the non-religious guy doesn't
stick that in your sock and suck on it

but i do see, understand, and agree that jimmy has a viable point of view; though i won't change mine.
i feel people should have the right to choose what they want to do with their own being - be it heterosexual, homosexual, suicide, attempt to swim the English channel, jump cars over burning buses, whatever. as long as no one else is violated or physically impeded. the person with religion promotes Darwinism.
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The way this is going the thread will need a euthanasia pretty soon... :P

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At the end of the day people are going to do what they're going to do. I would hope that they would take a minute to stop and think about the repercussions of their actions, as I did once. But I cannot stop them from doing what they will. I'm all about freedom. The only problem is that suicide is such a drastic choice that you are affecting other people, so I would hope it's something that you've really thought about before you do it, and at least do it in a respectable manner to your loved ones. Don't blow your brains all over a wall. I'll respect your freedom, but I don't have to support it.

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Suicide is still better than an accidental death.

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My concern is about the "persuasion" that ill paitients are receiving from the health care community to end their life early. My mom was suffering from deteriorating lungs from decades of smoking. She had a bout with pneumonia and was hospitalized for a week or so. She had been given the bad news that she had maybe another 4-6 months before even the inhalers and oxygen tanks were not going to provide enough relief for her to continue her daily routine around the house.

The evening before she was going to be released to come back home for semi-Hospice care for lack of a better term, she was bright, alert, sitting up in bed and very talkative and excited about coming back to the comforts of home. That next day, after work, I went to her bedroom. She was unresponsive and supposedly just "out of it" from her pain medication. She never regained consiousness again. My dad was given the instructions from the visiting nurse on how and when to introduce the medication into her IV drip. We found out much too late that this was not the proper meds for someone with her condition.

We can only guess that she was councilled by someone about "end of life" decisions and she must have agreed this was a preferable way out. We could get no straight answers from anyone at the hospital involved in her care. She had mentioned a number of times before about how she did not want to end up like her mother and brother undignified and wasting away connected to machines and being remembered like that. The only problem is that is exactly how she died. Day after day of watching her just lay there in very undignified poses. Bags and lines and machines connected to her. After a week or so of her body starting to shut down it was decided to pull the oxygen and feeding tubes. For some reason her body held out for another 7 long, long days before death.

Imagine how my dad felt after finding out he was unknowingly assisting this outcome when giving the meds. And how my brothers and I never got a chance for any farewells or closure. So I'm not going to say suicide is right or wrong, just that it looks like its being too easily considered these days. And with encouragement from some in our medical profession. And in this case, no dignity was afforded.

Sorry for the bummer posting. But I had to get it off my chest.
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The other night I couldn't sleep cause the thought of being old and unhealthy frightened me. Trying to go on despite body's gradual failure to continue. Shit...

What about people being paralysed from neck to bottom? Who would want to live like that?

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^ it depends on the outlook on your life.

I hate getting old, and have a woman half my age, I do a lot to keep fit and so on, but even in my most difficult hours, I would never dream to end it. I am not the first old fart in the world nor will I be the last. As for being paralysed, or when I simply can't fend for myself, well, who knows, I don't exactly just life for myself, I have people that depend on me, so I simply have to stick around.

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People depend on you in what way? Cause in paralysed condition I doubt you'll be much help.

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View PostKathy, on 20 July 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

The other night I couldn't sleep cause the thought of being old and unhealthy frightened me. Trying to go on despite body's gradual failure to continue. Shit...


Getting old is a very slow process, and it's going to keep slowing down for decades to come. Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

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View PostMark., on 20 July 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

My concern is about the "persuasion" that ill paitients are receiving from the health care community to end their life early.

That's crap. Suicide as an option should come from within, not from some lab coat wearing douche bag or any other external influence.
If it never crossed your mind, then it should never be put in there.

btw: old does not = unhealthy. unhealthy living and abusing your body and mind = unhealthy
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