[TheZombieKiller]

I've been looking around in the function exports generated by Noesis for engine.dll, and I've found some interesting functions:

	"?dnPackageMgr_BuildLinearPackages@@YAXHHVdnString@@@Z",
	"?dnPackageMgr_BuildMegaPackage@@YAXXZ",

Apparently there are some functions for compiling scripts in there as well.

Here are some random things I'm looking at\have found:

editor.int:

[MakeCommandlet]
HelpCmd=make
HelpOneLiner=Rebuild UnrealScript packages
HelpUsage=make [-option...] [parm=value]...
HelpParm[0]=Silent
HelpDesc[0]=No prompts; assume "yes" to all questions
HelpParm[1]=NoBind
HelpDesc[1]=Don't force native functions to be bound to DLLs
HelpParm[2]=All
HelpDesc[2]=Clean rebuild (otherwise rebuild is incremental)
HelpParm[3]=Parseonly
HelpDesc[3]=Only Parse files, no compilation

[Duke220ConvertCommandlet]
HelpCmd=duke220convert
HelpOneLiner=Convert DNF 220 packages to current format.
HelpUsage=duke220convert srcfile.ext dstfile.ext
HelpParm[0]=srcfile.ext
HelpDesc[0]=Source (input) packagefile
HelpParm[1]=dstfile.ext
HelpDesc[1]=Destination (output) packagefile

-TZK

[leilei]

I don't believe leftover string remnants of UCC is "hope".

[TheZombieKiller]

@leilei
I know that, hence why I called them "random things I'm looking at\have found" I mainly put them there to make the post seem less empty.

-TZK

[OpenMaw]

TheZombieKiller, on 11 July 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

@leilei
I know that, hence why I called them "random things I'm looking at\have found" I mainly put them there to make the post seem less empty.

-TZK

And yet, you called the thread "Possible Hope for Modding."

People really need to save their energy. DNF is not worth it.

[Minigunner]

You do realize that any hope of modding in DNF will be shot down by Gearbox, right? Heck, even the console has been taken down. Even then, this is just remnants of the editor that got withheld from us; you can't remake a new one from it.

[pjVgt]

Minigunner, on 11 July 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

You do realize that any hope of modding in DNF will be shot down by Gearbox, right? Heck, even the console has been taken down. Even then, this is just remnants of the editor that got withheld from us; you can't remake a new one from it.

Truly we can't make a new one - but someone MAYBE SOMEONE has/had access to it. I will gladly cover expenses of such person to release it to the public. And Gearbox can suck my dick.

[OpenMaw]

It's just not going to happen. Anyone who opens the door, Gearbox will close it.

There is nothing within DNF these days that, frankly, you couldn't get out of Eduke32. Driving? Got it. Insane interactivity? Got it. Dynamic lighting effects? Got it. The entire gammut of modding capabilities? Got it. Modern multiplayer capabilities? Coming soon.

So if you have money to throw around? Donate to TX or the other coders behind Eduke32, so they can take a couple weeks off from their day jobs and bust out the code.

[Radar]

Commando Nukem, on 27 July 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Modern multiplayer capabilities? Coming soon.

So don't advertise it as an actual feature until it exists, foo'.

[OpenMaw]

Ms. Radar, on 27 July 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

So don't advertise it as an actual feature until it exists, foo'.

Don't make me drag you into the shadows and turn you into my bitch, foo'.

[Micky C]

Anyone remember the days when Randy said shit like "Mod tools is something we'd like to do".

Then of course they intentionally take out every means of accessing the console. Not that they're bothering to hide their lack of passion about Duke and its community anymore.

[Radar]

It's because they know the game sucks and they just want to see it dead too. How else could modding hurt them?

[Minigunner]

It's not that they think the game sucks (they don't), it's that the game got such negative PR that they want it to fall out of relevance in the gaming community (and thus giving them one less thing to be hated for). The ability to modify things would certainly slow its fall.

[Tea Monster]

Commando Nukem, on 27 July 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

It's just not going to happen. Anyone who opens the door, Gearbox will close it.

There is nothing within DNF these days that, frankly, you couldn't get out of Eduke32. Driving? Got it. Insane interactivity? Got it. Dynamic lighting effects? Got it. The entire gammut of modding capabilities? Got it. Modern multiplayer capabilities? Coming soon.

So if you have money to throw around? Donate to TX or the other coders behind Eduke32, so they can take a couple weeks off from their day jobs and bust out the code.

No offence to any of the coders, but EDuke32 is NOT a replacement for a modern game engine. Yeah, we have per-pixel lighting, but you can't run it on anything short of a Cray. There are no particle effects, shader effects (reflection maps), bloom etc, etc, etc.

Also, I've suggested that we have a 'coding sprint' and it was turned down.

Also, if you suggest that maybe we should modernize EDuke a bit, the response is:

Jimmy, on 29 July 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Then do something original.

[Helixhorned]

Tea Monster, on 03 August 2013 - 04:13 AM, said:

There are no particle effects

Particles that behave in a halfway physically credible fashion are certainly not impossible using scripting. But coding them as custom actors without thought to algorithmic complexity is likely to yield unsatisfactory performance. (The most common offender is collision detection -- if you have N particles in a sector, and they are specified as clipping against sprites, you're running about N² collision checks each tic.) So there's some room left for designing interfaces that allow implementing them in a convenient way. I don't think that such functionality should be baked into the engine, as it's mostly "chrome".

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reflection maps

Is present (remember Plagman's screenshots), only lacking an interface, for example though DEF.

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bloom

Probably doable considering it's only post-processing, but is there such a great need?

[Micky C]

Helixhorned, on 03 August 2013 - 05:00 AM, said:

[Bloom is] Probably doable considering it's only post-processing, but is there such a great need?

I think a minor thing like bloom would help give the original levels some more zaz when using polymer lighting and the HRP.

[Tea Monster]

What it really needs is optimisation so that we can actually use the thing.

[Mark]

IIRC bloom makes things look like you have the contrast turned up way too high and things start to blur and wash out. I never saw the up side to that.

[Bloodshot]

A tiny bit of bloom on light sources/textures and such can look alright, gives them a nice glow effect.

When bloom is expanded to make EVERYTHING glow then it looks like the ass end of a hippo.

[Daedolon]

I like when bloom is used for the natural "light blindness" (whatever it is called) when you go from indoors to outdoors or vice versa. Maybe some minor bloom on some reflective textures when there's bright lights around but otherwise I don't like it.

[MusicallyInspired]

You mean HDR lighting.