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Oh how right I was  "a year and some change later..."

User is offline   Mad Max RW 

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History was always my favorite subject. Forum history can be just as fun. Let's have a quick refresher course, shall we?

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TX, on 16 June 2011 - 09:55 AM, said:

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While the average teenager spent his time wishing he could be the alpha male, I'm guessing this reviewer's teenage years involved sitting in a closet and pretending not to be gay.

My reply:
Wow...just...wow. If one of the mods/admins at the Gearbox forums said that he'd be out of there so fast. If one of the forumgoers posted that he'd be banned without any warning. Yet you get +rep for saying it. I dare you to make that comment anywhere else without your admin powers. If the Gamespot reviewer wrote that article in the context of him being a "gay gamer" and listed reasons why gays would hate it, then you'd be right. But he didn't, which makes you come off as far more mean-spirited than you claim the reviewers to be.


X-Vector, on 19 June 2011 - 09:31 AM, said:

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The fandom slant at Duke4 is really getting preposterous.There's nothing wrong with being enthusiastic about the franchise, but distorting critical reception and posting a ridiculous article such as the Xentax one doesn't leave much credibility and simply taints the image of this site.

My reply:
Give it some time. I've seen similar websites/communities go through the same thing many times before. They will either burn out and leave forever in a rage, or they'll grow up a bit and start thinking logically on their own. Reality usually takes several months to set in. Living in denial takes up far too much energy.


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So what happened? Where are all the maps and mods you were so excited about? What happened to the new age of Duke Nukem Forever. I'm calling out people like DavoX, trustn01, rasmus thorup, necroslut and the rest of you who dogpiled on me one year ago. What happened, guys?

This post has been edited by Mad Max RW: 17 August 2012 - 02:40 PM

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I don't even remember that... I think you should get over it. And if it helps you, you were right, you are a much better person than me.

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View PostMad Max RW, on 17 August 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

So what happened? Where are all the maps and mods you were so excited about? What happened to the new age of Duke Nukem Forever. I'm calling out people like DavoX, trustn01, rasmus thorup, necroslut and the rest of you who dogpiled on me one year ago. What happened, guys?

I'll try to sum up. You quoted yourself being right about DNF dying and then you quoted TX and X-Vector on the issues of game reviews. So... you were right and... yeah, that's it.

If you're calling out "DavoX, trustn01, rasmus thorup, necroslut and the rest" then provide their quotes on the subject.

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User is offline   Mad Max RW 

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I'm calling everybody out for two reasons: those who directly attacked me then and were WRONG and those who continuously downvoted everything I said one year ago and was ultimately proven right.

I really want those people back then to tell me I was wrong. This forum and community turned into yet one more example I can use when bullshit is in the air.

This post has been edited by Mad Max RW: 17 August 2012 - 03:21 PM

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Ha, why include my quote in that little montage of yours? Unlike most of the rest of your post, what I said still stands; the reviewer in question is still openly gay and pretty much the opposite of the target audience for a stereotypical "macho man" game like DNF featuring tits, tits, dildos and more tits. He looks to have rated the game poorly (one of the game's lowest scores anywhere, actually) because he seemingly took offense to the content. He was a poor choice of reviewer for that particular game, especially given how mainstream the review site in question is.

Would the game have gotten some amazing score if the choice of reviewer was different? No, of course not, but it more likely than not would have received a score in line with the average reviews instead of the bottom of the barrel score it got. I still pretty firmly believe that many reviews of the game rated it even worse than what it actually deserved simply out of spite for some reason or another. As an example, something definitely seems up to me when it gets an 80 from PC Gamer but a 29 from PC Gamer UK. I mean, even a brief look at its rating on metacritic shows a clear disconnect between what the paid reviewers said and what the general public actually thought of it. There was even a page that cataloged almost every "professional" review of the game they could find (about 100-150 as I recall) and when the data was graphed, instead of the traditional single bell curve you'd expect with data for such an average game, there were two distinct curves present.

And no, making these points does not make me "mean spirited," and if you've seen my posts in the other hellhole of a thread going on right now you know I'm certainly not anti-gay. In fact, I doubt anyone would have questioned what I said at all if the review in question had been written by a woman and I pointed out that women and men have different ways of thinking and enjoy different things. You wouldn't hire a stereotypical white teenager to review a hypothetical sample of Samuel L. Jackson's Mega Afro Gel, you wouldn't hire your grandmother to review some B-grade horror film called "Razor Dicks of Doom", and you probably wouldn't hire an effeminate gay man to review something like Duke Nukem Forever unless you were going out of your way to make it look bad.

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Mad Max, you was right! Gearbox only cares about money.

Now what, you want a cookie?

This post has been edited by Fox: 17 August 2012 - 03:52 PM

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View PostMad Max RW, on 17 August 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

I'm calling everybody out for two reasons: those who directly attacked me then and were WRONG and those who continuously downvoted everything I said one year ago and was ultimately proven right.

I really want those people back then to tell me I was wrong. This forum and community turned into yet one more example I can use when bullshit is in the air.

For my part, I never downvoted you because I disagreed with you, I downvoted you when I thought you were being an asshole. Which I still think you are a lot of the time.
As for the topic, I don't remember what I said back then but of course complete lack of mod support is likely to kill a game, especially when the multiplayer is very limited, has performance issues and lots of questionable design choices. Take2 almost seemed intent on killing the game (wouldn't be the first time), and PC gaming as well for that matter (not that they're alone there). I generally don't buy Take2 games, but I made an exception because it was DNF.
I DO however still think the game was/is heavily underrated.

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I still think the game was a total piece of shit that was a chore to play, save 1 or 2 parts of the game, but that's just my opinion.

Regardless, the hype and name is what really murdered it. You could reskin some enemies, take duke out of the game, and change the weapons and the name of the game, and it probably would have gotten a slightly higher score overall because there wouldn't be all that hype.

I really was HOPING for some sort of modding to pop up beyond reskins and the like so we could do things like improve the gunplay and create new levels, but nothing ever came. I just wanted a current gen Duke game that was fun and that I could make content for if I so chose. But as I expected, GBX and (more likely) take two/2k shot down those hopes pretty much as soon as they acquired duke nukem, and then shot it down again when DN3DR got canned. As much as I loved Duke3D, It would have been nice to have something new in the franchise.

I just find it sad that a shitty 15 year old port of a PSX game that never supported modding in any way got more intelligent people working on it and creating tools that allowed users to change, fix, and mod it more than you can DNF.

This post has been edited by Bloodshot: 17 August 2012 - 06:29 PM

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Yeah you were right about Randy Pitchford being a lying asshole who doesn't care about the hardcore fans, but lets face it a lot of the reviews were stupid, they gave minuses to DNF for things that are normal in games they give 9's, it was hype overload and few of the so called professionals couldn't deal with it. Fuck it, I'm still really happy I got to play the game and the dlc and at least now Duke has a future, it may not be the ideal one in Gearbox's hands but to be honest it's better than the future he had under 3D Realms which was nothing unfortunately.

Times have changed and Duke will have to adapt or die, but lets wait until Gearbox release their version before we damn them to hell, you never know, it could be good, we will just have to wait and see. Their Alien game should be a good test to see what they can produce with an established franchise. At least you know their version of Duke will be focused and not the fun monster that DNF was.

BTW holy shit, what an obnoxious thread.

This post has been edited by Ripemanewone: 17 August 2012 - 07:15 PM

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View PostFox, on 17 August 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Now what, you want a cookie?

I want cookie. :lol:

BTW this thread sucks, its just Mad Max filling his ego bar.

This post has been edited by ReaperMan: 17 August 2012 - 07:41 PM

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U mad, Max?
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Here, have some virtual cookies.

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View PostTerminX, on 17 August 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

As an example, something definitely seems up to me when it gets an 80 from PC Gamer but a 29 from PC Gamer UK. I mean, even a brief look at its rating on metacritic shows a clear disconnect between what the paid reviewers said and what the general public actually thought of it. There was even a page that cataloged almost every "professional" review of the game they could find (about 100-150 as I recall) and when the data was graphed, instead of the traditional single bell curve you'd expect with data for such an average game, there were two distinct curves present.

Are we still doing that? Comparing scores is futile. Every site has their own review system and on top of that reviewer's opinion. Shit, when many people(fans, i guess) from gaming community is stupid enough to call 8/10 a dissapointing score and some developers chime in, it is time to just abandon all hope about viewing overall scores as some kind of viable indicator of game's quality, which would still be subjective anyway.

Scores suck.

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View PostFox, on 17 August 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Mad Max, you was right! Gearbox only cares about money.

Now what, you want a cookie?

No, he just wants a concession from people on the internet, which he'd probably just end up dismissing anyway. Frankly, the cookie seems a lot more tangible.

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Max, I personally find your dedication to being "the one who is right" on an internet board to be pretty worrying. Lately you've been doing things out of character. I'm starting to think that you haven't at all, and I just always had the wrong idea about you. Who cares if you were right about something a year ago on an internet forum? I wouldn't even be uppity about something in that sense that happened in real life, unless it was super-important.

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mad max is my hero :lol:

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This picture is a classic!!

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Though i respect that kid for being the kid he is, i don't respect mad max at all.

View PostMad Max RW, on 17 August 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

I'm calling everybody out for two reasons: those who directly attacked me then and were WRONG and those who continuously downvoted everything I said one year ago and was ultimately proven right.


Would you please quote me the post that you felt attacked by. I would like to know what i did wrong.
And really, i have my reasons to downvote you. I downvoted you in the other thread because you felt pretty convinced that the place you come from is the best in the world. I don't have time for that.

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View PostMartin, on 18 August 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Max, I personally find your dedication to being "the one who is right" on an internet board to be pretty worrying. Lately you've been doing things out of character. I'm starting to think that you haven't at all, and I just always had the wrong idea about you. Who cares if you were right about something a year ago on an internet forum? I wouldn't even be uppity about something in that sense that happened in real life, unless it was super-important.


^Pretty much this

From what I've seen at other places, I never imagined he would be the type of person to post something like this.

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Mad Max RW, you call out all of those that have "dogpiled" or "attacked" you about Duke Nukem Forever. What about all of the insults, "attacks," and whatnot that you threw at other people for their, what you would call, false hope? At that time was when I was most active here, so I remember clearly. You were attacking a game and attacking other people for being "retarded" or "stupid," for hoping that the game was going to be released and be a great game.

You know, I would go back to find your posts and quote them here just as you have done with you and others based around the topic of Duke Nukem Forever, but that would be a waste of my time, just as this is a waste of your own. I did go back and read some of the things that you and other people said just for fun. If someone wants to go back and quote them, be my guest, but I would suggest not to waste your time and not bring yourselves to the same level as Mad Max RW here.

I still play Duke Nukem Forever, I still like it, but hey that's me. I don't see the game as an absolute failure, but more as failure of those involved with the project.

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Mad Max, buddy, I agree with most of what you say on other threads, but posting this topic was a waaay bad idea.

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View PostAchenar, on 18 August 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

Mad Max, buddy, I agree with most of what you say on other threads, but posting this topic was a waaay bad idea.


Why do you think it was a bad idea, because you don't like the way he wants "revenge", or because it will hurt his reputition?

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View Postrasmus thorup, on 18 August 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Why do you think it was a bad idea, because you don't like the way he wants "revenge", or because it will hurt his reputition?


False dilemma.
Because the thread is stupid.

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View Postrasmus thorup, on 18 August 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Why do you think it was a bad idea, because you don't like the way he wants "revenge", or because it will hurt his reputition?

I'll go out on a limb here and say this thread increases his repetition, if anything. :lol:

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I think you all got him to stop posting, only 2 out of the many post on this thread are from him. So he may be right, but he seems to have lost the argument.

Also, the talk about the reviews DNF got.. That G4 guy gave it a bad score, but they edited the video a lot, to make the game look sexist. So no, DNF didn't get the reviews it deserved, and because of that, we have mindless -insert hate- that listen to only what the reviews said and not actually try it themselves. Sure, DNF wasn't what I wanted, but I own the damn thing and still have yet to beat the Octaking.
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When looking at other forums, people made DNF look like the game was bad becase it couldn't live up to a 14 year development. Do people really think that the game should be better because of all the mistakes, which probably only hurt the game?

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No, people made DNF look bad because it was hyped as a revolution over modern gaming industry, while it is actually generic among modern games and ultimately mediocre.

So people felt like they have been told lies and robbed.

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Well, to be fair they did keep on insinuating that it'd be like.. take whatever favorite game you have now.. well it'll be more extreme and mind-blowing than that... we had what.. 14 years of that kind of hype? :lol:

I didn't take it personal though and still ended up enjoying it especially the expansion pack. I do agree it could have been so much more though had the development not been so turbulent and mismanaged.

I think it's about time we moved on though. I think there are better fish to fry right now.

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View Postrasmus thorup, on 19 August 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

When looking at other forums, people made DNF look like the game was bad becase it couldn't live up to a 14 year development. Do people really think that the game should be better because of all the mistakes, which probably only hurt the game?

That would require them to actually understand game development. If DNF took three times longer than game X, then it SHOULD be three times better than game X! Never mind the things such as the 90's-size development team, the almost-bankruptcy, getting sued by their publisher etc.

View PostTetsuo, on 19 August 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

Well, to be fair they did keep on insinuating that it'd be like.. take whatever favorite game you have now.. well it'll be more extreme and mind-blowing than that... we had what.. 14 years of that kind of hype? :lol:

I didn't take it personal though and still ended up enjoying it especially the expansion pack. I do agree it could have been so much more though had the development not been so turbulent and mismanaged.

I think it's about time we moved on though. I think there are better fish to fry right now.

The way I remember it, they (3DR) were pretty quiet about it for the last several years of development. Most of that kind of hyping took place ten years ago or so. Of course, it still hurt the game.
Gearbox did a pretty bad job of hyping it up though.

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Let's just wait until DN5 and maybe Gearbox will impress, if not, then maybe 3DR's should try to get back the rights.
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That's what i hope. 3DR all the way here.

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