[LeoD]

Helel, on 27 January 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Martin, on 27 January 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

Perhaps a thread dedicated to tracking and recording bad grammar is in order? Cu1pri75 g3t n@m3d & 5h@m3d!

As an non-native speaker I would love it.

I don't think this will work out in any way ... correct me if I'm wrong.

[Fox]

Or you can just check the profile or certain people (including me) and click on "locate all posts made by this user..."

[Hank]

Perhaps make a game out of it?

[Danukem]

If someone wants to have his grammar checked, he can post something and ask the native speakers to give him feedback. I don't think there is any value to correcting grammar without an invitation, unless it's so bad that the post was difficult to understand and requires clarification.

[LeoD]

Helel, I think the best way to improve one's grammar in this forum is to take a closer look at the postings of known native speakers.
For my compatriots I'd like to point out the online dictionary. They have a forum where almost any question is answered by helpful persons. I'm sure that similar sites exist for other countries/languages.

[Mikko]

Many native speakers of course can't even explain why they speak the way they do. For example, I know much more about the technicalities of English than Finnish.

[rasmus thorup]

I wanna know how bad my english is lol.

[Kyanos]

worser then ur pic

[rasmus thorup]

I'm fucked.

[LeoD]

Mikko_Sandt, on 27 January 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Many native speakers of course can't even explain why they speak the way they do. For example, I know much more about the technicalities of English than Finnish.

Yeah, but learning a foreign language often teaches you much about your own. Or does this only apply when they are somewhat related?
Back in school I knew much more about German than English. But first I didn't need that knowledge and then came that horrible spelling reform.

rasmus thorup, on 27 January 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

I'm fucked.

This is correct.

[Kathy]

LeoD, on 27 January 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Helel, I think the best way to improve one's grammar in this forum is to take a closer look at the postings of known native speakers.

Well, I already almost exclusively read english-language websites. It's especially helpful when trying to find various solutions in IT-related problems.

[X-Vector]

In my experience the annoying standard grammatical errors are mostly made by native speakers.
Examples: "it's" in stead of "its", "could of/should of/would of", "their" vs. "they're", using "on" after any verb of choice.
Even worse is the aggravated assault on the English language that is "urban" speak, but thankfully that's more rarely encountered on the average gaming forum.

[Martin]

Martin, on 27 January 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

Cu1pri75 g3t n@m3d & 5h@m3d!

Converts to "Culprits get named and shamed!"

[Inspector Lagomorf]

X-Vector, on 28 January 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Even worse is the aggravated assault on the English language that is "urban" speak, but thankfully that's more rarely encountered on the average gaming forum.

Still subversive enough to worm its away in through other means. No word makes me sicker to my stomach than "haters".

[Danukem]

The Mighty Bison, on 28 January 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

Still subversive enough to worm its away in through other means. No word makes me sicker to my stomach than "haters".

Could you explain why you object so strongly to that particular word?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

DeeperThought, on 28 January 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Could you explain why you object so strongly to that particular word?

Simply put, it's overused in the context of referring to anyone at all who disagrees with a purported opinion. It lumps those who have constructive criticism into that dubious category of trolls, bashers, etc., and forestalls any possible means of open discussion in lieu of insults and name-calling. Basically, it's an inherently charged and unhelpful word. It's rather like calling someone with pro-choice leanings a "baby-killer".

My first run-in with the word was on the blogs at ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com. There's a group of bloggers there who call themselves the "Anti-Hate Brigade". They usually make politically charged posts with the aim of calling out "haters" of specific groups, persons, and policies - e.g. Occupy Wall Street, Tom Cruise, etc.. When I responded to one of the blogs with what I felt was a perfectly constructive opinion, I got banned.

[Danukem]

But that's not the fault of the word, it's the fault of the people who use it. It's a perfectly fine word, as far as I'm concerned.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

I'm aware of that, but I've never yet seen a good use of the word. So while I'm aware my reasoning is temporal, nothing has changed my mind about it as of late.

[Danukem]

The Mighty Bison, on 28 January 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

I'm aware of that, but I've never yet seen a good use of the word.

Here's a good use of it: The Mighty Bison is a 'hater' hater.

[Micky C]

LeoD, on 27 January 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

But first I didn't need that knowledge and then came that horrible spelling reform.

What spelling reform?

[Mia Max]

Micky C, on 28 January 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

What spelling reform?

Yeah, what spelling reform?
Do you mean german.
There have been only a few stuoid changes, like trible 'sss' and none use of 'ß' anymore (I miß you dear sharp s )
And we got a new word. 'Sitt' Nobody uses it, but you can say it when you have drunk enough.
In school time my teacher said, it would be better to kill the stupid upper and lower case.
Arrr, I love english. Just 'I' and names to write in upper case.

[LeoD]

DeeperThought, on 28 January 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Here's a good use of it: The Mighty Bison is a 'hater' hater.

I hope he meets no hater hater hater.

Mia Max, on 28 January 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Yeah, what spelling reform? Do you mean german.

Yup. (1996)

Mia Max, on 28 January 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

There have been only a few stuoid changes, like trible 'sss' and none use of 'ß' anymore (I miß you dear sharp s )

These are acceptable, but there was much more done than that. (But it's pointless if two Germans discuss that in English.) IMO the whole thing was nothing but a giant bukkake session which some manic germanists played on our language in order to leave some footprints in history.

Mia Max, on 28 January 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

In school time my teacher said, it would be better to kill the stupid upper and lower case. Arrr, I love english. Just 'I' and names to write in upper case.

Nah, that's silly. You can read and understand much faster if the text is structured. Nouns beginning with capital letters are at least as useful as interpunction punctuation.

[rasmus thorup]

The words i hate most are "noob" and "troll". Both overused too.

[LeoD]

rasmus thorup, on 28 January 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

The words i hate most are "noob" and "troll". Both overused too.

But what's the alternative?
Let me invent troob for guys like this one.

[ReaperMan]

I like "troob", it works well for people like that.

[LeoD]

Apparently I'm somewhat late.

[rasmus thorup]

There doesn't have to be an alternative. People just need to stop using those words too much... to please me ^^

[Micky C]

Perhaps it's because there are a lot of noobs out there.

[ReaperMan]

rasmus thorup, on 28 January 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

There doesn't have to be an alternative. People just need to stop using those words too much... to please me ^^

Nay.

[Sangman]

As long as I can understand what people write I honestly don't give two shits about grammar on an internet forum. Of course I will take people with bad grammar less seriously when they're trying to be, well, serious, but who cares. For real life stuff this is another issue though