[blackharted]

Yatta, on Sep 9 2010, 11:03 PM, said:

Wow, someone suggested the rat thing to GB in the 3DR forums ages ago. Can't believe that made it into the game.

Cool.

[Master Fibbles]

That is all.

[OpenMaw]

It's September 11th, 2010.

I decided to make a short video. A speech I wrote early this morning. It's not political, just a call out to everyone. There seems to be an immense level of destraction this year with all the political stuff going on.

My prayers out to anyone who may have lost someone or knows someone who lost someone on this day.

[Master Fibbles]

I wrote a few things actually...but I'm all religious and political.

[ReaperMan]

I like Commando Nukems better, i don't think you should bring up religious and political things on a day like this.

[Master Fibbles]

So..a day heavily politicized that remembers when religious fanatics with a political agenda attacked innocent people should have nothing to do with religion and politics?

[ReaperMan]

Mr.Flibble, on Sep 11 2010, 03:03 PM, said:

So..a day heavily politicized that remembers when religious fanatics with a political agenda attacked innocent people should have nothing to do with religion and politics?

It should be a day for remembrance for who died, not who did it and why.

[Master Fibbles]

True. Lot's of people are making it about who did it...I don't think I did that. I'd rather comment on ignorant people who do that though.

Sure, I may be politicizing it, but in order to criticize the religious intolerance that followed it. Too many people are carrying a lot of anger when they should be remembering; not in violence but in trying to make peace.

[ReaperMan]

You know i was thinking about why the terrorist have been so successful, and i think i came up with the reason.

It's because of all the news and media we give them. The day after 9-11, almost everyone in the Untied States knew who did it, knew their motives and knew their religion. Its free publicity and its why they are successful. Lots of U.S citizens have religious tolerance problems that they didn't have before and the majority are afraid of change now more then ever before.

[Master Fibbles]

I'm not sure how many Christian churches were talking about hosting a bonfire for burning Qu'rans before 9/11 though.

[ReaperMan]

Mr.Flibble, on Sep 11 2010, 05:05 PM, said:

I'm not sure how many Christian churches were talking about hosting a bonfire for burning Qu'rans before 9/11 though.

It's because they where radical Christian groups, they are no different then any other radical religious group really.

[OpenMaw]

Mr.Flibble, on Sep 11 2010, 01:05 PM, said:

I'm not sure how many Christian churches were talking about hosting a bonfire for burning Qu'rans before 9/11 though.

Oh come on! One priest and West buro Baptist Church. A few yokels beating up a few innocent muslims. Not exactly a nation wide movement. Nuts breed nuts. Those guilty of the crime should be punished. Period.

If anything I think America's problem right now is Stockholm Syndrome and Inferiority Complex. We deserved what we got, we deserved it. We're EEEEVILE. Thats mostly what I hear. The scent of our country dying slowly seems more common than hatred of muslims.


Pisses me off we got the Republicans and Democrats playing politics today, the MSM carrying that crap. Truthers running their mouths. To me, I agree with ReaperMan. Put that shit to the side and just remember what the Hell happened. Lots of people that didnt deserve to die, died. Lots of New Yorks finest fire fighters went into those buildings and died saving people lives. Everything else is just noise. Using the day to be constructive is far more important.

The real outrage is its nine years later, and the memorial still hasnt been finished.

[ReaperMan]

I think America is doing poorly because people keep voting in incompetent leaders and by leaders i don't just mean the President.

I feel that the people in charge aren't really doing what they should be doing right now. Like right now rather then spending money on aiding other countries poor people how about we help ours first and rather then spending money on wars we start building a high speed rail system connecting all the major cities in the U.S..

[Jimmy]

I think we need to find a way to make everybody die.

[ReaperMan]

Captain Awesome, on Sep 11 2010, 05:01 PM, said:

I think we need to find a way to make everybody die.

I think we can already do that.

[Jimmy]

Then it definitely must be done. In the name of world peace.

[OpenMaw]

Captain Awesome, on Sep 11 2010, 02:01 PM, said:

I think we need to find a way to make everybody die.

No need. Give it time. Super volcano's, Gamma rays, Meteor's, Super Nova's, Nukes, Facebook... Numbers dont lie.

[Master Fibbles]

It is an outrage that they haven't finished (or even started) the memorial and the other buildings in that area. I agree with you there.

There is a lot more than just what the national news talks about. There is a mosque near my parents' house that has been attacked by arsonists several times. Peaceful people just trying to practice their religion, a constitutional right. Even in the national news, everybody and their mother is stating their opinion about Park51 (another constitutional right).

What is the point of remembering something if you don't remember why it happened? Religious fanaticism is dangerous, it doesn't matter what religion it is from. As soon as we forget that fanaticism and exclusivism is why 3,000 innocent people died 9 years ago, is when we lose.

[ReaperMan]

 Commando Nukem, on Sep 11 2010, 05:07 PM, said:

No need. Give it time. Super volcano's, Gamma rays, Meteor's, Super Nova's, Nukes, Facebook... Numbers dont lie.

We should take bets on how the world will end then.

 Mr.Flibble, on Sep 11 2010, 05:11 PM, said:

What is the point of remembering something if you don't remember why it happened?

Your remembering it to honor the people who died and the families of those people. There are other days to obsess about how Religious fanaticism is dangerous, to take one day out of the year and just say "its tragic that those people died" isn't such a bad thing is it?

[OpenMaw]

 Mr.Flibble, on Sep 11 2010, 02:11 PM, said:

It is an outrage that they haven't finished (or even started) the memorial and the other buildings in that area. I agree with you there.

I still say if we had been serious, we should have rebuilt the towers with ten more stories and reinforced frames. A big F*CK YOU BIN LADEN!!! We're America, you can knock our sh*t down and we'll put it right back up, and make it even better.

 Mr.Flibble, on Sep 11 2010, 02:11 PM, said:

There is a lot more than just what the national news talks about. There is a mosque near my parents' house that has been attacked by arsonists several times. Peaceful people just trying to practice their religion, a constitutional right. Even in the national news, everybody and their mother is stating their opinion about Park51 (another constitutional right).

Yeah, see, thats just wrong. Let the guilty be punished. Period. Nothing is solved by burning down a mosque, but to generate more radicals. But again, that does not make it a national problem. The point is not to spark that fury that somehow 350 million people are all to blame for those actions, because it starts the reverse of that, that the 2 billion muslims out there are all radical terrorists.

On the latter... The people building that mosque dont seem to care what anybody who lost loved ones thinks. Its not about whats their right. Of course its their right. Its just a disgusting display. You cant say "this is for diversity and healing" when the people who need some healing are saying "Piss off with The Mosque, go build it in Jersey!" The people who lost family and friends on that site dont want that mosque there. The builders, if they gave two shits, would show some understanding and move it elsewhere. Its already causing more harm than good. Then we have the Nancy Pelosi saying she's going to have to launch investigations into those that oppose The Mosque... The same political correctness that has caused so many problems in Britan. ...Then New York, with its broke ass budget wants to step in and fund it with State funds... Well that raises the question, what about the church that was destroyed at ground zero? You gonna rebuild that?

And people like that pastor/minister who wanted to burn all those Qurans? To Hell with them! Just as bad as any flag or Bible burner. Just more of a distraction away from what is important on this day of all days.

 Mr.Flibble, on Sep 11 2010, 02:11 PM, said:

What is the point of remembering something if you don't remember why it happened? Religious fanaticism is dangerous, it doesn't matter what religion it is from. As soon as we forget that fanaticism and exclusivism is why 3,000 innocent people died 9 years ago, is when we lose.

Why it happened is ultimately unimportant. There is no justification for the slaughter, terror, and pain that was caused on 9/11. None. Its not about trying to figure it out. Its about respect and mourning. As one of the women who lost someone said during today's services. 9/11 should not be some holiday. Its a day of sadness, a day of remembering the victims, and the heroes.

I mean the perspective that gives is this... Theres something bugging me, a lot. So I come and murder your whole f*cking family because it indirectly is related to something your neighbors cousin is doing. Was I justified in my wanton slaughter? Nope... and I imagine you wouldnt much be caring what my plight is.

Err... I was with you until this last part. Maybe im misunderstanding you, but what exclusivism? The World Trade Center was the bee's knees of American Diversity. Hence the name. Everybody and their mother, all walks of life, worked at the World Trade Centers. If America had a bankruptcy in openness (which is bullshit, aside from a small minority of racist assholes, we're all mutts in America.), then the morons doing the attack targetted one of the largest sources of diversity we had!

Those types, the types that did the attacks, dont care what we do. They never will. They hang gay men from the rafters while touching little boys. They ask for tolerance "Or they'll kill us." They get outraged when someone draws Mohammed in effigy or burns a Quran... News flash, those are rights too. Yet they get away with threatening peoples lives and terrifying people into not doing it. South Park making fun of Mohammed is a right. But Comedy Central has to censor that because it might be offensive...

I had to laugh, albeit ironically, when I read after the recent earthquake in, I think, Pakistan, the Taliban issued a statement to the effect of "Send aid or we'll kill you." Hah... You dont need aid, silly Taliban, you need to get off this planet. I hear their 72 virgins reside near the sun nowadays.

[ReaperMan]

 Commando Nukem, on Sep 11 2010, 05:48 PM, said:

I still say if we had been serious, we should have rebuilt the towers with ten more stories and reinforced frames. A big F*CK YOU BIN LADEN!!! We're America, you can knock our sh*t down and we'll put it right back up, and make it even better.

I would have preferred just having one big tower there with a memorial at the base and make it taller and stronger then the Twin Towers. Also, have churches for all the religions in the world housed in the building along with it being a world trade center.

It would honor those lost and it would say "fuck you we made a better one".

[Micky C]

What if it wasn't Bin Laden who organized the terrorist attack?

[Master Fibbles]

Then he has successfully fucked up not one but 2 or even 3 countries in the most epic troll of all time.

[Jimmy]

More like New York Shitty.

[Kathy]

 Commando Nukem, on Sep 12 2010, 12:22 AM, said:

Pisses me off we got the Republicans and Democrats playing politics today, the MSM carrying that crap. Truthers running their mouths. To me, I agree with ReaperMan. Put that shit to the side and just remember what the Hell happened. Lots of people that didnt deserve to die, died. Lots of New Yorks finest fire fighters went into those buildings and died saving people lives. Everything else is just noise. Using the day to be constructive is far more important.

What's so constructive about remembering?

And to spark even more fire... I feel that all those "remembering" days are pure horseshit. Do people really need some day to remember what happened? Like, today we will mourn because this and this happened. Then the day after we will be back to normal lives. Although, every day lots of people die, but it's nothing since we don't really know about that(or don't give any shit about).

[ReaperMan]

 Lotan, on Sep 12 2010, 03:48 AM, said:

What's so constructive about remembering?

It brings people together....

[Kathy]

...in their mourning. Funerals must be the most contructive thing. It brings people together nicely!

[Master Fibbles]

It is important to remember days like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor (Dec. 7) or what have you. In fact, we (America) should also in some way mark Hiroshima (Aug. 6) and Nagasaki (Aug. 9) but we don't. It is important to remember days like that not because people died but because people died and something came from it or something ended as a result of it. For some reason no one remembers the Lusitania or the Maine but we remember Pearl Harbor. Why? World War 2 was a big deal and our (direct) involvement in it was triggered by the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. It was an event that shocked the nation and garnered huge amounts of patriotism and support for the military. We went from a domestic economy to a full out war economy in a short amount of time.
9/11 shocked the nation and garnered a huge amount of patriotism but that patriotism was short lived and we are still in Afghanistan after we went in, kicked ass, and left Iraq.

Spoiler

Iraq = Korea and Afghanistan = Vietnam

For example, the 4th of July is not actually when the Declaration of Independence was signed and ratified by the colonies (that was August 2) but it is a holiday because it began a movement, it started something. Veterans day (Nov. 11) marks the end of World War 1. We remember days that mattered in history. This begs the question, then, does just remembering really matter? You don't remember something unless it matters to you. The reasons are all that matter in the end, not the people who died or the people who killed them.

[Kathy]

What's the point of remembering this or that on some day in history? It's like "oh, right, today died a lot of people n years ago. I'd better go and mourn for whatever reason". Do people really need dates to remember?

[ReaperMan]

 Lotan, on Sep 12 2010, 12:35 PM, said:

What's the point of remembering this or that on some day in history? It's like "oh, right, today died a lot of people n years ago. I'd better go and mourn for whatever reason". Do people really need dates to remember?

Maybe people want to try to prevent it from happening again. Besides like i said before (but much simpler), bringing a whole country together for one common cause and not bringing up politics or race is really a good way to unite people.

Also its a cultural thing, some people like to honor the dead when they die in ways such as this.