[Robman]

Hank, on 06 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Lust is normal. If a woman dances naked in the moonlight, I get horny. She looks, I look back, she smiles, I smile, it's simple without Christ and Government - I leave strict behavior to monks and hermits, don't force their narrow mindset onto the living.

Goes back to having evil in our hearts since the beginning and why we have/need Christ and such.

anyway..

[Forge]

Robman, on 06 March 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

...one of the seven deadly sins...

So you're Catholic?

[Wienerhole]

There is a difference between acknowledging natural reactions and deliberately focusing upon and amplifying patterns of thought which has a tangible effect on your emotional state in future interactions with the person and which if acted upon would be destructive. There is a difference between acknowledging that your friend's wife is attractive... and spending your time undressing her and fantasizing about all the things you would like to do to her.

It doesn't take a remarkable amount of thought to separate the purpose of the advice from its historical trappings written for a different audience.

[Hank]

Robman, on 06 March 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Goes back to having evil in our hearts since the beginning and why we have/need Christ and such.

anyway..

Anyway ... dude, keep the faith!
What is important, I think, is that one can look in the mirror at night and say: No regrets for this day

@ CharlesT - When our Premier (see Drek's link) makes moronic statements, as in: 'our society 'teaches' women haters' and 'we' need to teach better, and Christ condemns sinful thoughts as done deals, they both use unreal premises to begin with. Reality has real consequences, it part of life. Punish actual hurtful acts, not a possible intent.

[Robman]

Hank, on 06 March 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

Anyway ... dude, keep the faith!
What is important, I think, is that one can look in the mirror at night and say: No regrets for this day.

I'll Bon Jovi the shit outta it.

[Wienerhole]

Hank, on 06 March 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

What is important, I think, is that one can look in the mirror at night and say: No regrets for this day.

What is important, I think, is that one can hide the dead bodies at night and say: No regrets for this day.

[Robman]

Forge, on 06 March 2015 - 09:19 PM, said:

So you're Catholic?

I don't have a real label ... my label could be "One who identifies evils"


LOL @ CW

[Fox]

Hank, on 06 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Lust is normal. If a woman dances naked in the moonlight, I get horny.

Voyeurism is not natural, nudism is.

[Wienerhole]

Hank, on 06 March 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

@ CharlesT - When our Premier (see Drek's link) makes moronic statements, as in: 'our society 'teaches' women haters' and 'we' need to teach better, and Christ condemns sinful thoughts as done deals, they both use unreal premises to begin with. Reality has real consequences, it part of life. Punish actual hurtful acts, not a possible intent.

Organized Religion and Government currently are... and have been for practically ever... two hands of the same organization with the same goal and agenda... thus we can't be surprised that they use the same tactics to brow beat people into submission and fear.

Where do organized religions come from? Government minded people *co-opting* movements and writings that people find help them lead quality lives *without* government minded people telling them what to do. Guidelines that take their practical lived experiences and structures them in a way they can be shared with the community and future generations. The government minded people take these guidelines and make them *laws* and deliberately avoid explaining the reasoning... thus creating a dissonance and anxiety in the listener because they aren't given the practical tools to understand themselves, only a set of boundaries with no context.

The "God Governments" have been deliberately self-sabotaging in order to lead more and more people into the eager arms of the "Paper Governments".

Why?

Because there is a critical flaw in the "God Government". A person or group of people can decide they are sick of things and decide they would rather risk it all and appeal to "God" himself than continue obeying the "God Government". However when you can get a couple of generations into a group of people who believe there is NO APPEALS PROCESS beyond the "Paper Government"... they have no recourse. There is nothing for them to believe in that is worth saying no and standing up to the Paper Emperor... especially since the faces change constantly making it impossible to hold anyone accountable which is the flaw of Kings and Dictators that has been "fixed".

You are correct about the similar tactics of the "God Governments" and the "Paper Governments"... but you are not thinking it through far enough to see WHY the concepts such as describing lust as a "sin" have been so horrifically distorted as to be useless to the typical person who is used to teacher telling them the correct way to interpret what they are reading.

"Having a thought" of hurting someone is one thing. Spending every day thinking about the ways you want to hurt someone is another. It is this second state of mind those passages are attempting to address and when taken in full context it's clear. You are correct... it is INSANE to say that "if you ever have the thought at all" then you have committed the sin as if it were real. It is pitched that way on purpose.

The people who originally were sharing those thoughts were not that stupid... and when speaking face to face with people who shared similar life experiences all the nuances and depth to the concept easily come out. No different than how a conversation on this forum loses a great deal of depth that you and I would have if we were speaking in person... resulting in far more misunderstandings regarding intent and implied but not stated assumptions we both share that a person 2000 years from now would not immediately or easily grasp.

#$*()(*#%$

[Mblackwell]

Fox, on 06 March 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

Voyeurism is not natural, nudism is.

Pretty sure even looking at a naked women triggers a similar brain chemical response in men as does cocaine.

[Fox]

Or feet, if that's your thing. But the nudity thing has been built in by society.

[Wienerhole]

Mblackwell, on 06 March 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Pretty sure even looking at a naked women triggers a similar brain chemical response in men as does cocaine.

Not if it's as common as a naked nose.

It's the advertising of availability and receptiveness through specialized adornment (or deliberate lack) that triggers the response.

[Wienerhole]

Hank, on 06 March 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

Punish actual hurtful acts, not a possible intent.

Last one for tonight.

The intent of the "lust" lesson is not about punishing... that is how it has been twisted by "government" minded people who want to punish.

It's to teach you about the nature of your consciousness. The nature of your thoughts and how you are able to use or abuse them and the... as you said... consequences of those choices. For example... Rob isn't suggesting you be punished when he mentions the topic. He's trying to, in his particular way, share what he has learned about the relationship between how we handle our thoughts and the long term consequences to the nature of our being and then points to people who had figured it out and wrote it down millennia ago. That people since then have abused and twisted it for their own purposes doesn't negate that there is a legitimate teaching available.

The inverse of the "lust/sin" concept is "Think like a winner to be a winner". It's the exact same thing for a different aspect of understanding how our inner worlds work.

Again... it doesn't take a lot of thought or effort to read the Bible or anything else like it and separate the bullshit "God Government" distortion of it from the foundational legitimate concept being communicated. Once done, it then becomes easy to find all sorts of similar examples in our modern culture "preaching" the same thing and the different versions... from the one on one friend to friend advice to the "Thought Crime Police" version.

[Mblackwell]

CharlesT, on 06 March 2015 - 10:09 PM, said:

Not if it's as common as a naked nose.

It's the advertising of availability and receptiveness through specialized adornment (or deliberate lack) that triggers the response.

IIRC part of it is the actual body shape being visible and the specific shape (hourglass) is consistent (across cultures), even if that's not the current "trend" in attractiveness. It's built-in.

[Mblackwell]

Stephen King said:

There’s something in us that is very much attracted to madness. Everyone who looks off the edge of a tall building has felt at least a faint, morbid urge to jump.

[Wienerhole]

Mblackwell, on 06 March 2015 - 10:32 PM, said:

IIRC part of it is the actual body shape being visible and the specific shape (hourglass) is consistent, even if that's not the current "trend" in attractiveness. It's built-in.

I can only assume you've never actually been to a nudist beach or similar? It doesn't take long for the novelty to wear off and only specific behavior triggering the "cocaine like" heightened responses.

To be honest, your response comes off a bit like this:

[Mblackwell]

Only if you didn't bother to read what I said, and then decide to go in a completely different direction then sure!

I'm not going to disagree that you can be conditioned towards things, however. But by the same token there are biological reasons behind certain body shapes appearing more attractive cross-culturally and there's been a decent amount of research into it.

So it's more like I'm saying this:

[brownfarted]

[Fox]

[Wienerhole]

Mblackwell, on 06 March 2015 - 10:54 PM, said:

Only if you didn't bother to read what I said, and then decide to go in a completely different direction then sure!

Hmmm...

Fox, on 06 March 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

Voyeurism is not natural, nudism is.

Mblackwell, on 06 March 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Pretty sure even looking at a naked women triggers a similar brain chemical response in men as does cocaine.

Huh.

Mblackwell, on 06 March 2015 - 10:54 PM, said:

But by the same token there are biological reasons behind certain body shapes appearing more attractive cross-culturally and there's been a decent amount of research into it.

Yes... signals of health relative to the standard population.

During times of famine... heavier tends to catch the eye. During times of feast... thinner does. Or the person is in a predatory mode... in which signs of weakness primarily catch the eye. Or in a submissive mode... in which signs of power primarily catch the eye. Etc. etc. etc.

[Mblackwell]

CharlesT, on 06 March 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

During times of famine... heavier tends to catch the eye. During times of feast... thinner does.

Actually the average woman having a similar bust to hip ratio and a thin waste is what's appealing. The fat in the hips is actually stored omega-3 which is used during pregnancy. A large/full bust is an indication of a lot of milk producing glands (although not the only indication it's an obvious visual one). A small waste a longer/larger hips indicates that the woman will be able to have room for the baby both during growth and birth.

If you want trendy though:

[Wienerhole]

You said this:

Mblackwell, on 06 March 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Pretty sure even looking at a naked women triggers a similar brain chemical response in men as does cocaine.

You were replied to with this:

CharlesT, on 06 March 2015 - 10:09 PM, said:

Not if it's as common as a naked nose.

You then proceed to describe what is the most commonly average appealing body type... which says nothing regarding what Fox or I were describing.

Those commonly average appealing body types DON'T trigger that sort of response you claimed "just by looking at them". When it's just part of your average day to see women nude in person, which includes women with that body type nude... it ceases to trigger the strong response "even looking at them". It requires particular behavior at that point in order to trigger the response you claimed.

Follow along...

• You made a claim in response to Fox's claim... that just *looking* at a naked woman triggers a similar response to cocaine (no mention of certain women or body types).
  
• We both replied that no... if in person female nudity is common for a person it doesn't trigger said response.
  
• You replied with "most people find this shape attractive".
  
• ...?
  
• Orgasmic Profit?

Go home Mblackwell... you're horny.

[Fox]

CharlesT, on 06 March 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

Yes... signals of health relative to the standard population.

During times of famine... heavier tends to catch the eye. During times of feast... thinner does. Or the person is in a predatory mode... in which signs of weakness primarily catch the eye. Or in a submissive mode... in which signs of power primarily catch the eye. Etc. etc. etc.

I would not call it signs of health. Not just because the current beauty standards is not exactly healthy, but also because our instinct to seek healthy bodies probably doesn't take in account our knowledge of health.

It's mostly because it's distinct. The media can't have a standards that applied to most people.

[oasiz]

High Treason, on 06 March 2015 - 03:39 AM, said:

Adlib stuff

Yeah, making the PCB itself is going to be quite pricy..

About two years ago, Sergey said that he could do something like $10 per board (+ shipping) if it was based on his design.
~$20 for shipping was a rough estimate.

I think that I calculated about ~10pcs to be around 34e~ per board at the time, add some extra on top for effort and I guess it would have been around ~40e, Had some interest in the local demoscene for such and had plans to sell some at a low price.

Damn.. two years.. I should really get these done instead of sit on these YM chips forever

[Mblackwell]

Charlie, by ignoring everything else I said, and making assumptions about what I said rather than looking at the text (and not noticing that I ignored the bit about noses and other nonsense since it wasn't what I was talking about) you just proved that you don't really care and have your own thing to babble about.

I'm out of this line of conversation.

[High Treason]

@Oasiz; Indeed. The major cost I think is that my board is 120x106mm, the price drops drastically once you get below 110mm because of the Raspberry Pie and Hadouken noobs etching crappy little motor controllers and stuff... Apparently I will slow down the production line slightly, I could make it smaller but meh.

All that's left to do now is widen the power traces so they don't melt, I also fixed finger placement and sizes. Any daughterboards would probably just be made with stripboard as they are simple things. It's a while away yet anyway, probably a month or two. I hope you make progress with your own boards.


As I have now bought the main card for the computer build I can reveal what I need it for, in short I am using this;

Which equivalates to an Ensoniq SoundScape S-2000 I think. AdLib emulation sucks so I plan to hook it into that card, if that doesn't work I will just donate the Opal to my 286 as it has no sound card at present and isn't really capable of PCM outside of a few demos which use a Covox anyway and I have a Stereo-on-One Covox I built years ago that I have been using for that.


In case anyone wondered, I got a graphics card for this machine as well;

This is a 2MB ET4000 W32/p with the VIPeR processor.

Plus an AT form-factor case and of course I started with a motherboard. This is where my PODP5V83 will go so my VLB 486 can go back to the U5S-Super40 it is meant to be using.

[Person of Color]

Your AT keyboard port dun got ripped off.

[High Treason]

Nope, it was wired to some strange little board along with the front panel headers... The board smells faintly of onions so I suspect it is out of an industrial machine. It is the model I wanted (Aquarius MB-4DUPM/E) however and I had a dead Biostar which I stole the DIN from, pretty trivial. Board works fine, though someone has messed with the BIOS so everything defaults to "Off" or "Slow" or "Disabled" which is irksome as the RTC is dead, I have a temporary replacement for it while I make a board to take one of the Odin chips which uses an external battery which should sit in the chip socket with said chip, a coin battery and a crystal on it to counter this as I don't like drilling those Dallas abominations open and messing with them.

I'd rather buy a board with no DIN port than one double the price with no photo.

[The Commander]

Steam broke... lol

[Hank]

just because