[Inspector Lagomorf]

Mblackwell, on 23 December 2014 - 10:31 PM, said:

Also you keep on with this "go get some black friends". It's weird.

Not that it helps anyway. Whenever you hear a white person say "Well, I've got black friends" in the midst of any discussion about race, what's the knee-jerk reaction?

[Jimmy]

Mblackwell, on 23 December 2014 - 10:31 PM, said:

Your experiences are you own sir, no way to disagree with that. And I won't disagree with a prevalence of what's really more of a "punk" (or "thug", but really it's just a different name for a similar attitude) culture in segments of the community.

Has nothing to do with punk. It ain't nothin but a G thang, baby.

[Mblackwell]

White Guilt, on 24 December 2014 - 07:44 PM, said:

Has nothing to do with punk. It ain't nothin but a G thang, baby.

Punk as in the "fuck the world because everything sucks and it's all bullshit" attitude. The anti-authoritarian, anarchistic, nihilistic side of it. Just a different expression of a some similar ideas.

[The Commander]

So we all know about The Pirate Bay being raided at the start of the month.
Now on the TPB website there is a hash that is letting people download that so called Interview movie.

[Person of Color]

Sony already released it publicly.

[Fox]

[The Commander]

BREAKINGTHELAYOUT ISACRIME, on 25 December 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

Sony already released it publicly.

For $$$ and only to the US.



The movie is shit anyway and I don't know how it has a 8+ rating on IMDB...

[Jimmy]

Mblackwell, on 25 December 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

Punk as in the "fuck the world because everything sucks and it's all bullshit" attitude. The anti-authoritarian, anarchistic, nihilistic side of it. Just a different expression of a some similar ideas.

Nope.

[Hendricks266]

3punk5me

[Mblackwell]

White Guilt, on 26 December 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Nope.

Nope.

[Jimmy]

Those attitudes literally have nothing to do with punk. Do some punks hold them? Yes. Are some punks also racist skinheads? Yes. Nothing to do with punk.

[Lunick]

[Mblackwell]

White Guilt, on 26 December 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Those attitudes literally have nothing to do with punk. Do some punks hold them? Yes. Are some punks also racist skinheads? Yes. Nothing to do with punk.

I mean, it might not be the only element of punk culture, but weed and glocks aren't the only element of gangster culture.

Also since when is punk not anti-establishment and individualistic?

The point is that in the end its a somewhat similar expression of a similar issue: People (esp youths) having no real hope for the future. Also assholes. Because.

[Fox]

[DustFalcon85]

Spoiler

Bill Cosby gets a very special treatment from the infamous, the famous, the one, the only Drew Pickles!

[The Commander]

Ugh, some lame ass script kiddies since around xmas have been ddos'ing my damn game server that is in my signature and bringing it down for an hour at a time.
This seems to be trend when servers get into the top 100 they will attack them to get their own server rankings higher.

The server host is trying to go about bringing 20Gbps protection onto all of our IP blocks in to the location the server is hosted in.

[Jimmy]

Mblackwell, on 26 December 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

I mean, it might not be the only element of punk culture, but weed and glocks aren't the only element of gangster culture.

They are primary elements.

Here we go to Hip Hop Top 40 and look at the lyrics;

#1: Big Sean - I Don't Fuck With You
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And everyday I wake up celebratin' shit, why?
Cause I just dodged a bullet from a crazy bitch
I stuck to my guns, that's what made me rich
That's what put me on, that's what got me here
....
These hoes chase bread, aw damn, she got a bird brain
Ain't nothin' but trill in me, aw man, silly me
I just bought a crib, three stories, that bitch a trilogy
And you know I'm rollin' weed that's fuckin' up the ozone
....
From the Bay to the Murder Mitten, my niggas put murder missions
She choosin', that's her decision, free my niggas in prison
On the phone with a bitch who can't do shit
For a pimp but make a nigga hella rich
Got a blunt in my dental, goin' HAM in a rental

#2: Nicki Minaj - Only
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I'm talkin' bout runnin' in houses, with army guns
So think about, your son and daughter rooms
Got two hoes with me, messed up, they got smaller guns
Ain't thinkin' bout your son and daughter rooms
....
For reals, if you mouth off, I blow your face off
I mean pop-pop-pop, then I take off
Nigga now you see me, nigga now you don't
Like Jamie Foxx, acting like Ray Charles
16 in a clip, one in the chamber
17 Ward bully, with 17 bullets

#3: I Love Makonnen - Tuesday (Remix)
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(Gas is a term for marijuana smoke.)

Workin' Monday night, on the corner flippin' hard
Made at least 3 thousand, on the boulevard
I've been workin' graveyard shifts every other weekend
Ain't got no fuckin' time to party on the weekend
I've been flippin' in the house, makin' juugs on the highway
I've been ridin' out of state, makin' money like my way
I don't think that I should dance, I'm just gon' have another drink
I'm doin' my stance, you know my molly pink
I got the loudest of the loud, you know my gas stink
My P.O. think I'm in the house, don't give a damn 'bout what she think

#4: Rae Sremmurd - No Type
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Push start the whip, (hey)
Brought it straight to life, (for life)
Blowing on the kush, (blowing)
'Til I'm out of sight, (I'm gone)

#5: 7/11 - Beyonce
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No references to guns or weed, but plenty of references to alcohol and sexual degeneracy.

#6: Hot Boy - Bobby Shmurda
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(This is the clean version, the dirty version Hot Nigga is worse. Also contains lines about dealing crack in fifth grade.)

And Chewy, I'm some hot boy
Like I talk to Shyste when I shot boy
Like you seen him twirl then he drop, boy
And we keep them nine millis on my block, boy
And Monte keep it on him, he done dropped boy
Tones known to get busy with them Glocks, boy
Try to run down and you can catch a shot, boy
Running through these checks 'til I pass out
....
With M16s, we gon' put some shots on him
I send a little thot to send the drop on him
She gon' call me up and I'ma sic the hots on him
Grimey savage, that's what we are
Grimey shooters dressed in G-Star, GS9, I go so hard
But GS for my gun squad
And bish if it's a problem we gon' gun brawl
Shots popping out the AR
I'm with Trigger, I'm with Rasha, I'm with A-Raw
Broad daylight and we gon' let them things bark
....
Mitch caught a body 'bout a week ago, week ago
Eff with us and then we tweaking, ho
Run up on that nigga, get to squeezing, ho
Everybody catching bullet holes
Nigga got me on my bully, yo
I'm a run up, put that gun on 'em
I'm a run up, go dumb on 'em

#7: Coco - O.T. Genasis
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(This song is literally glorifying cocaine addiction and dealing.)

Hit my plug, that's my cholo (mi amigo)
Cause he got it for the low, low
If you snitchin' I go loco (go crazy)
Hit you with that treinta ocho

#8: Beg for It - Iggy Azalea
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(Uses the term "faded." I have no idea what this means. Some say high on pot, some say drunk, etc. It's a form of degeneracy, I know that.)

Got you hooked boy, I'm like a drug
If you want my love better smoke it up
(Make you beg for it, I'mma make you beg for it)
You can look, boy, but don't you touch

#9: Jeremih - Don't Tell Em
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No drug or gun references, but it's about fucking women indiscriminately that you don't really know.

#10: Usher - I Don't Mind
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("Blow gas" means smoking weed. This song is again just about fucking strippers and shit.)

Shawty she just want a tip, I just want to see her strip
If you fuck me like you love me shawty you might get rich
Have her own cake, her own place, blow her own gas, no Rolaid
When we in the bed she like to roleplay, tell her friend to join in both ways

Mblackwell, on 26 December 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Also since when is punk not anti-establishment and individualistic?

Since forever. Look, I can tell you only know about punk from Hot Topic, but while there have definitely been anti-establishment and individualistic members in the community, there have also been plenty of people who were pro-establishment and/or pro-conformist in some way, such as Lee Ving, John Macias, Ian Stuart, Dave Smalley, Joe Young, Michale Graves, Exene Cervenka, Duane Peters, Mojo Nixon, Johnny Ramone, Joe Escalante, Bobby Steele, and Casey Royer. The anti-conformism of early punk evolved into it's own form of conformity over time and numerous people have backlashed against that. Hell, the Sex Pistols wrote a mostly Pro-Life song in 19-fucking-77. Punk has never been anything other than what it wanted to be.

Mblackwell, on 26 December 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

The point is that in the end its a somewhat similar expression of a similar issue: People (esp youths) having no real hope for the future. Also assholes. Because.

Ian MacKaye, Milo Aukerman, Kevin Seconds, Joey Ramone, Dee Dee Ramone, D. Boon, Mike Watt, Tim Barry, Greg Graffin, and Dave Dictor expressed plenty of hope in their lyrics, even as youths. Especially as youths.

[Jimmy]

Literally the same thing as gangster culture!

Since there are no punk charts (and there shouldn't be) I'll be using Ranker's Best Punk Rock Bands List top 10 cross referenced with those band's top listened songs on Last.FM. I feel this gives a fair representation of what a Top 40 Punk chart might look like.

#1: Ramones - Blitzkrieg Bop
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The meaning is obscure, but it seems to be a song about a new dance, like many songs in the 50s and 60s. Probably about slamdancing and kids partying.

#2: The Clash - London Calling
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About the dangers of Nuclear Energy, the possibility of the Thames flooding, and other apocalyptic possibilities that Joe Strummer was reading about in the news.

#3: Sex Pistols - God Save the Queen
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Johnny Rotten has explained the lyrics as follows: "You don't write 'God Save The Queen' because you hate the English race. You write a song like that because you love them, and you're fed up with them being mistreated." Anti-Monarchy, anti-consumerism, anti-war.

#4: Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
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A vicious attack against hypocritical know-it-all privileged college-aged pseudo-liberal suburbanites who think they know what's right for everyone. Take note this was written in 1980, not 2014.

#5: Black Flag - Rise Above
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About being yourself even when others try to put you down, control you, or misrepresent you to others. Denounces following the crowd or trying to fit into society. Encourages youths to stand up for themselves and become the people they want to be.

#6: Misfits - Last Caress
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It's about violence.

#7: The Stooges - I Wanna Be Your Dog
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Iggy Pop explained the lyrics on Howard Stern's radio show as being about wanting to be the dog of a really sexy woman because the dog can get close to her and see her naked. He wants to be her dog.

#8: Bad Religion - American Jesus
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Denounces religious nationalism and how it centralizes government power and how these attitudes can easily happen to anyone, even those who denounce it (including Greg Graffin himself.)

#9: Minor Threat - Straight Edge
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Denounces drinking and drug use. Ian MacKaye tells you that he's no one special and he doesn't need these things.

#10: Rancid - Time Bomb
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Explores the futility of gang culture.

[Mblackwell]

So you cherry pick some misc punk music and then go with top 40 for anything else?

That's just dumb.

Edit:
To put a better way - If you want to do a proper comparison you need to use the same methodology for both. So you should look up who or what are considered the best Hip Hop acts, look at those band's play on Last.fm, and then post lyrical interpretation from the artist.

[Hank]

Mblackwell, on 27 December 2014 - 10:55 PM, said:

So you cherry pick some misc punk music and then go with top 40 for anything else?

That's just dumb.

Edit:
To put a better way - If you want to do a proper comparison you need to use the same methodology for both. So you should look up who or what are considered the best Hip Hop acts, look at those band's play on Last.fm, and then post lyrical interpretation from the artist.

Those that accept the status quo, will never truly understand punk.
Punk, was not anti-establishement, without a reason. You have had middle class kids watching TV every night about people getting killed, for no well defined purpose in a far away land. You had to sit in the back part of a public bus because you were black. And so on. Sure, this is all good. if you follow and accept the authority. The more powerful a given authority is (the elite in England is well established b.t.w.) the more vocal your stands would need be to be noticed. And naturally, can easily be ridiculed. And today of course, there is no reason what so ever to be anti-authority or establishment. We are living in Paradise, well, so the establishment preaches.

[ReaperMan]

The Commander, on 27 December 2014 - 08:22 PM, said:

Ugh, some lame ass script kiddies since around xmas have been ddos'ing my damn game server that is in my signature and bringing it down for an hour at a time.
This seems to be trend when servers get into the top 100 they will attack them to get their own server rankings higher.

The server host is trying to go about bringing 20Gbps protection onto all of our IP blocks in to the location the server is hosted in.

The day ddosing carries a death penalty will be a good day.

[Robman]

ReaperMan, on 27 December 2014 - 11:56 PM, said:

The day ddosing carries a death penalty will be a good day.

shit no, and I don't even do anything like that.

[ReaperMan]

Robman, on 28 December 2014 - 12:08 AM, said:

shit no, and I don't even do that.

[X-Vector]

There's nothing inherently wrong with rap music, it just needs white folks to turn it into something truly worthwile and wholesome.

[The Commander]

ReaperMan, on 27 December 2014 - 11:56 PM, said:

The day ddosing carries a death penalty will be a good day.

Meh, in the end it's probably costing them more to do it than its impacting me.

[Mblackwell]

X-Vector, on 28 December 2014 - 03:32 AM, said:

There's nothing inherently wrong with rap music, it just needs white folks to turn it into something truly worthwile and wholesome.

Or you could just not listen to overproduced diss tracks by mainstream rappers?

[Forge]

Punk started in the united states because hippies were too pussy/whiny with their anti-vietnam/anti-racial protest songs.
Punk started in the U.K. because the anti-nuke protesters needed some riot music.

[Zaxtor]

Extremely smart animals.
Good escape artists.


Good at raiding "fridges"

[Fox]

[Fox]

United States is under attack

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