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#15152 Posted 15 December 2014 - 07:38 PM
zykov eddy, on 15 December 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:
http://yalibnan.com/...e-price-of-oil/
It's times like these I hate my country.
Thinking about starting to make crappy mobile games to get $.
It's times like these I hate my country.
Thinking about starting to make crappy mobile games to get $.
What jumped out at me from your link was the great rate for CD's at 7.5 percent. Over here in the U.S. we have been hanging around the .1 - .5 percent rate for a few years now with no real increase in sight because of poor political decisions controlling our Federal Reserve.
This post has been edited by Mark.: 15 December 2014 - 07:39 PM
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#15153 Posted 16 December 2014 - 06:25 AM
The Commander, on 14 December 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:
why was this guy even out on the streets free to do something like this?
Last year Monis was charged as an accessory to the stabbing murder of his ex-wife, who was set alight in a Sydney apartment block. He was charged this year with more than 40 counts of sexual or indecent assault against women in Sydney, according to court documents.
He was also found guilty in 2012 of sending threatening letters to the families of eight Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan and sentenced to two years in prison, although he served only a portion of that penalty.
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#15154 Posted 16 December 2014 - 04:29 PM
Mark., on 15 December 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:
What jumped out at me from your link was the great rate for CD's at 7.5 percent. Over here in the U.S. we have been hanging around the .1 - .5 percent rate for a few years now with no real increase in sight because of poor political decisions controlling our Federal Reserve.
Naw, it's mostly about keeping the rate low so keep inflation low during tough economic times (and to keep things like business and housing loans attractive for individuals to get broadly). I expect it to rise a bit in the next couple of years (assuming current trends hold). Not much political there. Unfortunately a CD at 7.5% isn't very worthwhile when the currency isn't worth anything. In fact Russia was thinking of raising interest rates more (the idea being to attract investment from outside interests and slow the decrease in currency value), but they were starting to price local investors and small businesses (who tend to use small loans to float things like payroll) out of the market.
Yeah yeah so I listen to investment radio in the morning. WHATEVER!
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#15155 Posted 16 December 2014 - 04:38 PM
Forge, on 16 December 2014 - 06:25 AM, said:
why was this guy even out on the streets free to do something like this?
Last year Monis was charged as an accessory to the stabbing murder of his ex-wife, who was set alight in a Sydney apartment block. He was charged this year with more than 40 counts of sexual or indecent assault against women in Sydney, according to court documents.
He was also found guilty in 2012 of sending threatening letters to the families of eight Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan and sentenced to two years in prison, although he served only a portion of that penalty.
Last year Monis was charged as an accessory to the stabbing murder of his ex-wife, who was set alight in a Sydney apartment block. He was charged this year with more than 40 counts of sexual or indecent assault against women in Sydney, according to court documents.
He was also found guilty in 2012 of sending threatening letters to the families of eight Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan and sentenced to two years in prison, although he served only a portion of that penalty.
That sort of thing is the rule here in Brazil.
#15156 Posted 16 December 2014 - 05:04 PM
Mblackwell, on 16 December 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:
Naw, it's mostly about keeping the rate low so keep inflation low during tough economic times (and to keep things like business and housing loans attractive for individuals to get broadly). I expect it to rise a bit in the next couple of years (assuming current trends hold). Not much political there. Unfortunately a CD at 7.5% isn't very worthwhile when the currency isn't worth anything. In fact Russia was thinking of raising interest rates more (the idea being to attract investment from outside interests and slow the decrease in currency value), but they were starting to price local investors and small businesses (who tend to use small loans to float things like payroll) out of the market.
Yeah yeah so I listen to investment radio in the morning. WHATEVER!
Yeah yeah so I listen to investment radio in the morning. WHATEVER!
Yes its a fine line you have to walk with those rates. But keeping them so low for so long has its consequences but I'm sure you know that too.
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#15157 Posted 16 December 2014 - 06:18 PM
Mark., on 16 December 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:
Yes its a fine line you have to walk with those rates. But keeping them so low for so long has its consequences but I'm sure you know that too.
Yeah it could lead to deflation or cause sudden jumps in inflation when the rate is changed, and it's hard to see the consequence until a year or two out.
#15159 Posted 17 December 2014 - 07:55 AM
DustFalcon85, on 17 December 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:
Oh look, it's the worst guy!
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#15160 Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:34 PM
This post has been edited by Fox: 17 December 2014 - 08:25 PM
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#15161 Posted 18 December 2014 - 01:12 PM
Suicides Rise Dramatically with Increasing Psychiatric Care
As the amount of involvement that people have with psychiatric professionals and psychiatric care increases, the likelihood that they will commit suicide rises steadily and dramatically, according to a study in Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. Taking psychiatric medications makes people nearly 6 times more likely to kill themselves, while having spent time in the previous year in a psychiatric hospital makes them over 44 times more likely to kill themselves. The findings suggested that clinical tools for assessing suicide risk are not working well, stated the Danish authors of the broad-based study of the Denmark population. However, an accompanying editorial suggested the findings more likely showed that “psychiatric care might, at least in part, cause suicide.”
The researchers did a nationwide, nested case-control study comparing individuals who died from suicide to matched controls between the years 1996 and 2009. They then graded psychiatric treatment in the previous year on a scale including “no treatment,” ‘‘medicated,’’ ‘‘outpatient contact,’’ ‘‘psychiatric emergency room contact,’’ or ‘‘admitted to psychiatric hospital.’’ From 2,429 suicides and 50,323 controls, they found that taking psychiatric medication made a person 5.8 times more likely to kill themselves. Psychiatric outpatient contact increased the suicide rate 8.2 times. If the person had visited a psychiatric emergency room they were 27.9 times more likely to kill themselves, and if they’d actually been admitted to a psychiatric hospital they were 44.3 times more likely to commit suicide.
“Psychiatric admission in the preceding year was highly associated with risk of dying from suicide,” concluded the researchers. “Furthermore, even individuals who have been in contact with psychiatric treatment but who have not been admitted are at highly increased risk of suicide.”
The authors stated that ‘‘the association is likely one of selection (rather than causation), in that people with increasing levels of psychiatric contact also are more severely at risk of dying from suicide.” Nevertheless, they wrote that, “The public health significance of this finding may be considerable.” They suggested that current tools for assessing risk were not working, and clinicians should perhaps start regarding a patients’ point of contact with the psychiatric system as a risk factor for suicide.
However, in an accompanying editorial in the journal, two Australian suicide experts questioned these interpretations. “Associations that are strong, demonstrate a dose-effect relationship, and have a plausible mechanism are more likely to indicate a causal relationship than associations that lack these characteristics,” they wrote. “There is now little doubt that suicide is associated with both stigma and trauma in the general community. It is therefore entirely plausible that the stigma and trauma inherent in (particularly involuntary) psychiatric treatment might, in already vulnerable individuals, contribute to some suicides… Perhaps some aspects of even outpatient psychiatric contact are suicidogenic. These strong stepwise associations urge that we pay closer attention to this troubling possibility.”
Disturbing findings about the risk of suicide and psychiatric hospitals (Large, Matthew M. and Ryan, Christopher J. Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. September 2014. Volume 49, Issue 9, pp 1353-1355. DOI: 10.1007/s00127-014-0912-2)
Risk of suicide according to level of psychiatric treatment: a nationwide nested case–control study (Hjorthøj, Carsten Rygaard et al. Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. September 2014, Volume 49, Issue 9, pp 1357-1365. DOI: 10.1007/s00127-014-0860-x)
As the amount of involvement that people have with psychiatric professionals and psychiatric care increases, the likelihood that they will commit suicide rises steadily and dramatically, according to a study in Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. Taking psychiatric medications makes people nearly 6 times more likely to kill themselves, while having spent time in the previous year in a psychiatric hospital makes them over 44 times more likely to kill themselves. The findings suggested that clinical tools for assessing suicide risk are not working well, stated the Danish authors of the broad-based study of the Denmark population. However, an accompanying editorial suggested the findings more likely showed that “psychiatric care might, at least in part, cause suicide.”
The researchers did a nationwide, nested case-control study comparing individuals who died from suicide to matched controls between the years 1996 and 2009. They then graded psychiatric treatment in the previous year on a scale including “no treatment,” ‘‘medicated,’’ ‘‘outpatient contact,’’ ‘‘psychiatric emergency room contact,’’ or ‘‘admitted to psychiatric hospital.’’ From 2,429 suicides and 50,323 controls, they found that taking psychiatric medication made a person 5.8 times more likely to kill themselves. Psychiatric outpatient contact increased the suicide rate 8.2 times. If the person had visited a psychiatric emergency room they were 27.9 times more likely to kill themselves, and if they’d actually been admitted to a psychiatric hospital they were 44.3 times more likely to commit suicide.
“Psychiatric admission in the preceding year was highly associated with risk of dying from suicide,” concluded the researchers. “Furthermore, even individuals who have been in contact with psychiatric treatment but who have not been admitted are at highly increased risk of suicide.”
The authors stated that ‘‘the association is likely one of selection (rather than causation), in that people with increasing levels of psychiatric contact also are more severely at risk of dying from suicide.” Nevertheless, they wrote that, “The public health significance of this finding may be considerable.” They suggested that current tools for assessing risk were not working, and clinicians should perhaps start regarding a patients’ point of contact with the psychiatric system as a risk factor for suicide.
However, in an accompanying editorial in the journal, two Australian suicide experts questioned these interpretations. “Associations that are strong, demonstrate a dose-effect relationship, and have a plausible mechanism are more likely to indicate a causal relationship than associations that lack these characteristics,” they wrote. “There is now little doubt that suicide is associated with both stigma and trauma in the general community. It is therefore entirely plausible that the stigma and trauma inherent in (particularly involuntary) psychiatric treatment might, in already vulnerable individuals, contribute to some suicides… Perhaps some aspects of even outpatient psychiatric contact are suicidogenic. These strong stepwise associations urge that we pay closer attention to this troubling possibility.”
Disturbing findings about the risk of suicide and psychiatric hospitals (Large, Matthew M. and Ryan, Christopher J. Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. September 2014. Volume 49, Issue 9, pp 1353-1355. DOI: 10.1007/s00127-014-0912-2)
Risk of suicide according to level of psychiatric treatment: a nationwide nested case–control study (Hjorthøj, Carsten Rygaard et al. Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. September 2014, Volume 49, Issue 9, pp 1357-1365. DOI: 10.1007/s00127-014-0860-x)
This post has been edited by Fox: 18 December 2014 - 01:13 PM
#15162 Posted 18 December 2014 - 02:26 PM
Establishing causality between treatment and suicide based on this data is misleading.
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#15163 Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:35 PM
And you say that based on what?
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#15165 Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:58 PM
I would prefer the user I directed my question to be the one answering.
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#15168 Posted 18 December 2014 - 08:03 PM
Either way, it says so right in the text that Fox posted:
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The authors stated that ‘‘the association is likely one of selection (rather than causation), in that people with increasing levels of psychiatric contact also are more severely at risk of dying from suicide.” Nevertheless, they wrote that, “The public health significance of this finding may be considerable.” They suggested that current tools for assessing risk were not working, and clinicians should perhaps start regarding a patients’ point of contact with the psychiatric system as a risk factor for suicide.
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#15169 Posted 18 December 2014 - 08:05 PM
Correlation does not equal causation. This is a principle well established in the scientific world. No scientist worth anything would argue for causation based on a correlation (unless it would make them fucking rich).
#15170 Posted 18 December 2014 - 08:28 PM
Fox, on 18 December 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:
And you say that based on what?
Based on this article and data. You can look the same way at cancer patients and their cause of death to find similar correlations.
This post has been edited by Kathy: 18 December 2014 - 08:30 PM
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#15171 Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:01 PM
Kathy, on 18 December 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:
Based on this article and data. You can look the same way at cancer patients and their cause of death to find similar correlations.
Wrong. If you do a quick search, you will find that there is overwhelming evidence that cancer treatment increase the chance of survival. And if you want to compare psyquiatry with medicine, I am sure a treatment for a form of cancer which the rate of death was six times greater than the disease itself would not be accepted.
Also, cancer survival rates are higher than ever. On the other hand, the number of people diagnosible as mentally ill has never been so large (around 20% of the population). So even if you don't believe that psyquiatry is making things worse, you have to admit that it is a failed enterprise.
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#15172 Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:12 PM
Fox, on 18 December 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:
“Associations that are strong, demonstrate a dose-effect relationship, and have a plausible mechanism are more likely to indicate a causal relationship than associations that lack these characteristics,” they wrote. “There is now little doubt that suicide is associated with both stigma and trauma in the general community. It is therefore entirely plausible that the stigma and trauma inherent in (particularly involuntary) psychiatric treatment might, in already vulnerable individuals, contribute to some suicides… Perhaps some aspects of even outpatient psychiatric contact are suicidogenic. These strong stepwise associations urge that we pay closer attention to this troubling possibility.”
so they're saying that suicidal people are already depressed and suicidal, and now they feel that they have an additional social stigma to carry as a burden if they seek treatment? ("oh no, now my employer, my friends, my co-workers, my family, everyone knows i have problems")
A person that has no self-worth suddenly feels they have sunk even lower so they off themselves.
Oh, yea, that's the doctor's and facility's fault.
Fox, your OCD fixation is showing again
edit: not all cancer's are created equal, and neither are all treatment options. I can find all kinds of articles stating that it's sometimes better to wait and see how a cancer progresses before starting any treatment, but medical doctors frown on that (i'm assuming they're losing money by not shilling off their expensive procedures), or i can find articles that state non-treated patients can in most cases live as long, if not longer, than treated patients.
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#15173 Posted 19 December 2014 - 03:51 AM
Fox, on 18 December 2014 - 09:01 PM, said:
Wrong. If you do a quick search, you will find that there is overwhelming evidence that cancer treatment increase the chance of survival.
I never said it didn't. I only implied that correlation between cancer deaths and cancer patients would also be there, because it's a normal correlation. The data this article provided didn't have a comparative stat about people who didn't commit suicide.
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And if you want to compare psyquiatry with medicine, I am sure a treatment for a form of cancer which the rate of death was six times greater than the disease itself would not be accepted.
Because you will be comparing failure against success. This article only compares failures.
#15174 Posted 19 December 2014 - 04:50 AM
Well, I just did an independent survey and I can report that people who are likely to be / become suicidal are more likely to commit suicide.
#15175 Posted 19 December 2014 - 06:05 AM
High Treason, on 19 December 2014 - 04:50 AM, said:
Well, I just did an independent survey and I can report that people who are likely to be / become suicidal are more likely to commit suicide.
A a flawless survey, that.
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#15176 Posted 19 December 2014 - 06:27 AM
Kathy, on 19 December 2014 - 03:51 AM, said:
Because you will be comparing failure against success. This article only compares failures.
There is no success in psychiatry, that's the whole point.
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#15177 Posted 19 December 2014 - 06:31 AM
Fox, on 19 December 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:
There is no success in psychiatry, that's the whole point.
Read some actual scientific studies before making such a bold claim.
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#15178 Posted 19 December 2014 - 07:04 AM
You think grey literature counts as scientific study? Anyway, I am sure you can trust a document commissioned by the Psychological Association.
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#15179 Posted 19 December 2014 - 07:25 AM
as if your sources are more reputable and less slanted to the opposite side of the spectrum. I can easily dig up equally reliable sources about how many people decided against committing suicide after seeking help.
i'm going with High Treason's survey.
i'm going with High Treason's survey.
This post has been edited by Forge: 19 December 2014 - 07:26 AM
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#15180 Posted 19 December 2014 - 07:38 AM
Excuse me, I didn't posted a college report claiming it was a real scientific study. Give me some credit.
Please?
Forge, on 19 December 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:
I can easily dig up equally reliable sources about how many people decided against committing suicide after seeking help.
Please?
