[Jimmy]

[MYHOUSE.MAP]

Jimmy, on 05 June 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

Don't talk shit about my homie Ovad you asshole.

[Jeff]

Forge, on 03 June 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

gun control prevents everything

Thank God I live in Canada. Unless you're the police or hunting for sport, you aren't allowed guns here. Least that's how I understand it. Our murder rate is way lower than the US.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Jeff, on 06 June 2014 - 05:54 AM, said:

Thank God I live in Canada. Unless you're the police or hunting for sport, you aren't allowed guns here. Least that's how I understand it. Our murder rate is way lower than the US.

No gang problems in Canada?

[Lunick]

Jeff probably leads his own gang

[Forge]

Jeff, on 06 June 2014 - 05:54 AM, said:

Our murder rate is way lower than the US.

not some kind of amazing fact when California by itself has a higher population than the entire country of canada

[The Commander]

Forge, on 05 June 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

It's Canada. They'll capture him alive, sentence him to life in prison, then parole him in 15 to 20 years so he can go out and do it again.

rip on the death penalty all you want, but this shit happens quite often

http://www.nzherald....jectid=11264869

I wouldn't say that happens quite often in NZ...

[Forge]

The Commander, on 06 June 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

I wouldn't say that happens quite often in NZ...

not singling out NZ, just a handy article that mentions three incidents of released violent criminals that go out and murder more people.
shit happens everywhere. even in countries that have the death penalty, but issue prison sentences instead of execution for whatever reason then release them on parole

i find the logic flawed that these people aren't given a dirt nap because "life is precious" or some other crap excuse. instead lets put them back out in society so they can kill again.
makes no sense that the murderer's life is worth keeping, but the general public's lives that these dangerous people are set loose into aren't.
at least the state can wash their hands of responsibility since they didn't directly snuff a life

yeah. yeah. "but there's no guarantee that every one of these people will kill again when released"
nope. there isn't, but it happens often enough that we shouldn't risk lives to find out which ones won't do it again.

[Fox]

This is not really an issue of death penalty. It's just that some people should be at least sentenced to life.

[Forge]

and we keep these kinds of people alive in a cage because..........?

i'd rather my tax money went to feeding and housing the poor than to give a murderer three hots and a cot

if they're not to be executed then they should bring back chain gangs to do public works. dig ditches, fix roads, plant trees, something useful.

why these people have more rights than their victims and the survivors is dumbfounding

[Fox]

Actually the costs of death penalty are very high. Some sources claim they are even hither than life in prison, though it seems difficult to make accurate estimatives.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Fox, on 06 June 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

Actually the costs of death penalty are very high. Some sources claim they are even hither than life in prison, though it seems difficult to make accurate estimatives.

Do you know why, though?

[Fox]

Because of extra trials, appeals, etc.

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http://www.wired.com...ilk-road-study/

[Forge]

Jonathan C. Holeman and Samuel C. Wright, both convicted recently in a nine-year-old Lake Arrowhead double murder, are both 31 years of age. Using the Legislative Analyst's numbers, if both were sentenced to life without parole and lived to the age of 65, the 34-year cost of housing, feeding and keeping them secure would amount to $1.598 million a piece, without factoring in the effects of inflation.

But $1,612 a year might be eliminated from the annual cost, assuming prisoners who could never be paroled are not enrolled in rehabilitation programs.

However, at an annual cost of $137,102, a prisoner who sits on death row for 20 years could cost taxpayers a total of $2,742,040 in that time.

http://www.mountain-...1cc4c002e0.html

reform needed.
get rid of the death penalty and institute chain gangs -or- fix the appeal system. it shouldn't take twenty years to expire all their options.


either way, there should be no reason to let these people back on the street

[Jimmy]

MYHOUSE.MAP, on 06 June 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:

Don't talk shit about my homie Ovad you asshole.

I'm just busting yer balls, brotherman.

[Ronin]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

and we keep these kinds of people alive in a cage because..........?

i'd rather my tax money went to feeding and housing the poor than to give a murderer three hots and a cot

if they're not to be executed then they should bring back chain gangs to do public works. dig ditches, fix roads, plant trees, something useful.

why these people have more rights than their victims and the survivors is dumbfounding

I think people who do particualarly horrible crimes like rapists, peados, and people who murder for no good reason should not be given easy life in a jail getting looked after for the rest of their lives.

Make them dig their own graves then bullet in the back of the head, boot them in, thank you, goodbye.

I know the death penalty has issues like innocent people sometimes getting snuffed and the possibility of someone being framed, but there are so many people in jail who should not be allowed exist and I can't think of a better answer, these people will never get better.

[Hank]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

reform needed.

Good Luck, your first hurdle will be the ACLU
https://www.aclu.org...ital-punishment
then you have other groups
http://www.ncadp.org/
and don't forget Amnesty International

The legal system is complex, trying to defend those that we think need no defense. As for the bottom line, it's only money, how much is a human life worth?
Someone said $2 in Yemen and $20million in the US.
Society forbids me killing my enemies, but allows me to bomb entire countries, if Obama says it's ok. If I get executed for a murder and I am innocent, my friends should have the right to kill those that ordered my death. If I kill someone, because I felt like it, who is getting hurt? Government because they lost a tax player and those close to the one killed. Capital Punishment is to stop others seeking revenge and not to deter a criminal. Thus do it right.

[Jeff]

Comrade Major, on 06 June 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:

No gang problems in Canada?

Yes there are gangs, but we don't have 500 murders a year like some places. There was one murder related to gangs, but the other 17 in 2012 were not related to them. I can walk outside at midnight and still feel safe. Not like some places where you can't go outside past a certain hour without fear of being shot or mugged.

[MrBlackCat]

Fox, on 06 June 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

Actually the costs of death penalty are very high. Some sources claim they are even hither than life in prison, though it seems difficult to make accurate estimatives.

I hear this also... it technically isn't true. "THEY" make it cost that much. I have a Desert Eagle 50AE which is one of the most expensive handgun rounds you can buy... likely in the top 5... and that is $2.00 per shot/round... Yes two US dollars. So it doesn't cost that much, the government decides to charge that much. HUGE difference there. I would gladly do the deed or loan my firearm and DONATE the bullet to save tax money, but that isn't the issue of course... it is about making money. As you can also see, the cost of imprisonment is also WAY out of line and is a very lucrative business. It does NOT cost that much to house prisoners, we are charged that much by those in governmental power.

We are SO conditioned to "the way things are" that the way things could be or should be are basically lost. Now I am conditioned to say "Oh well" and not go do anything about it, and go on the next thread. They win.

MrBlackCat

[Forge]

Hank, on 06 June 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Good Luck, your first hurdle will be...

there are a couple of examples of innocent people being exonerated, but those are very few and very far in between.

i also don't care for the boo-hoo cruel and unusual bullshit. The murdering criminal didn't have any compassion or empathy for the victims or the families.
Once they're found guilty a stray dog should have more rights than they do. so fuck them.

i also say let the families have their revenge. nothing like coverage of a violent lynch mob on my local news broadcast to spice things up after stories about traffic jams and the opening of a new jogging park.

again. i don't care if they abolish the death penalty, but these fucking assholes should do hard labor until they're 65 and they should never be released to commit more violent crimes. even if they live to be 120.

Jeff, on 06 June 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Not like some places where you can't go outside past a certain hour without fear of being shot or mugged.

Toronto? Regina? Winnipeg? Saskatoon?

[Hank]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

there are a couple of examples of innocent people being exonerated, but those are very few and very far in between.

i also don't care for the boo-hoo cruel and unusual bullshit. The murdering criminal didn't have any compassion or empathy for the victims or the families.
Once they're found guilty a stray dog should have more rights than they do. so fuck them.

i also say let the families have their revenge. nothing like coverage of a violent lynch mob on my local news broadcast to spice things up after stories about traffic jams and the opening of a new jogging park.

again. i don't care if they abolish the death penalty, but these fucking assholes should do hard labor until they're 65 and they should never be released to commit more violent crimes. even if they live to be 120.


Toronto?

Well, not sure if you are serious or not about self justice on TV. It could be you being the main attraction, but hey as a follow predator, I'll watch it too.

But what about Toronto? I love this town. It is very much save to walk here at night! Unless of course CBC (our version of CNN) hears one shootin' and expands it to an entire City problem. Sometimes minor wars flare up, well, so what, drugs are fact of life, and there will always be one that wants a piece of the action.

[Forge]

Hank, on 06 June 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Well, not sure if you are serious or not about self justice on TV. It could be you being the main attraction, but hey as a follow predator, I'll watch it too.

you're drunk. go to bed.

Hank, on 06 June 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

But what about Toronto? I love this town. It is very much save to walk here at night! Unless of course CBC (our version of CNN) hears one shootin' and expands it to an entire City problem. Sometimes minor wars flare up, well, so what, drugs are fact of life, and there will always be one that wants a piece of the action.

i mis-read his post, that's why i had removed toronto, but you quoted me so i put it back on the list.

I thought Jeff said butt-mugged. running around toronto late at night is fine if you're okay with that.

[Fox]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Jonathan C. Holeman and Samuel C. Wright, both convicted recently in a nine-year-old Lake Arrowhead double murder, are both 31 years of age. Using the Legislative Analyst's numbers, if both were sentenced to life without parole and lived to the age of 65, the 34-year cost of housing, feeding and keeping them secure would amount to $1.598 million a piece, without factoring in the effects of inflation.

But $1,612 a year might be eliminated from the annual cost, assuming prisoners who could never be paroled are not enrolled in rehabilitation programs.

However, at an annual cost of $137,102, a prisoner who sits on death row for 20 years could cost taxpayers a total of $2,742,040 in that time.

http://www.mountain-...1cc4c002e0.html

reform needed.
get rid of the death penalty and institute chain gangs -or- fix the appeal system. it shouldn't take twenty years to expire all their options.


either way, there should be no reason to let these people back on the street

There is a reason for the appeal system in death penalties, you must be sure before executing someone, because there is no coming back. Especially in the U.S. with so many wrongful convictions.

[Forge]

appeals to a death sentence are mandatory in the united states. but dragging them out for twenty years or more should not be.

numerous wrongful convictions are not a problem that is especially unique to the u.s.
it happens alot all over the world (including many countries that have the death penalty).
the u.s. just looks stupid for publicly making a news item out exoneration so it appears that they do it more often when this is not the case.

's okay everyone loves knocking on the u.s. because of the death penalty and their gun laws.
keeps the population in check

[ReaperMan]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

keeps the population in check

I'm pretty sure that was Hitler's excuse for the holocaust.

[Hank]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

i mis-read his post, that's why i had removed toronto, but you quoted me so i put it back on the list.
I thought Jeff said butt-mugged. running around toronto late at night is fine if you're okay with that.

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

you're drunk. go to bed.

What? Who me? I never sleep, but yes, another case of JD awaits.

[Forge]

ReaperMan, on 06 June 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that was Hitler's excuse for the holocaust.

well then, maybe he was on to something

[Jeff]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Toronto? Regina? Winnipeg? Saskatoon?

I was thinking Detroit. That place had 332 murders in 2013. Caracas Venezuela had 24000 murders in 2013. Wouldn't want to live there. People would kill me in my sleep.

[Fox]

Forge, on 06 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

appeals to a death sentence are mandatory in the united states. but dragging them out for twenty years or more should not be.

numerous wrongful convictions are not a problem that is especially unique to the u.s.
it happens alot all over the world (including many countries that have the death penalty).
the u.s. just looks stupid for publicly making a news item out exoneration so it appears that they do it more often when this is not the case.

's okay everyone loves knocking on the u.s. because of the death penalty and their gun laws.
keeps the population in check

Actually the U.S. do stand aside when it comes to wrongful convictions. The problem is that in the U.S. prosecutors dictate the police investigation.

[Gambini]

ReaperMan, on 06 June 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that was Hitler's excuse for the holocaust.

ha hah aha gallows humourous!