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Masturbation and pornophilia as bad addictions  "Yout opinion - is it all OK or it can harm you?"

User is offline   #SH@DOW# 

#1

Your opinion - is it all OK or it can harm you? Lets discuss.

For me it's just a pain in the ass. I can't get rid of em. I dont have a girl, but I have a porno addiction. I hate the state of my mind and body after masturbaion and watching porn. I become the thing I hate aftewars - weak, stupid, mad and pathetic. But when I struggle and when there is no this shit during some days, everything is ok, Im in a good mood and shape.
These all enslaved me to my pity. It's very hard to break these habbits or addictions. I truly hate them.

Also I found a good video on the topic http://www.youtube.c...h?v=4ZuybgKSsc4

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User is offline   Danukem 

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#2

Well you have some balls for posting this, even if you are wasting them on porn. :P

No way I am watching a video on this topic.

It sounds like you have a lot of free time on your hands. Porno addiction is not much different from being addicted to WoW or watching reality shows. It provides some stimulation and it's easier than doing what you should be doing, so you keep doing it. Remember that the opportunity cost is enormous, even if you can't see that now. The time you spend looking at porn is time that you will never get back, time you could have spent bettering yourself, creating something, making money, or generally being productive.

My practical advise is this: if you find yourself looking at porn, then jack off right away and get it over with. Afterwards you will lose interest and it will be easier to do something else.
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User is offline   #SH@DOW# 

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View PostDeeperThought, on Jan 15 2011, 02:38 AM, said:

Well you have some balls for posting this, even if you are wasting them on porn. :P

No way I am watching a video on this topic.

It sounds like you have a lot of free time on your hands. Porno addiction is not much different from being addicted to WoW or watching reality shows. It provides some stimulation and it's easier than doing what you should be doing, so you keep doing it. Remember that the opportunity cost is enormous, even if you can't see that now. The time you spend looking at porn is time that you will never get back, time you could have spent bettering yourself, creating something, making money, or generally being productive.

My practical advise is this: if you find yourself looking at porn, then jack off right away and get it over with. Afterwards you will lose interest and it will be easier to do something else.

Thank you for support and sharing my opnion that porn and masturbation are harmful and just waste of time. Very wise words indeed. I'll try my best to get over with it, but I've already said that so many times, there were so many "It was last time I got myself into it; It was the very last time I was wathching porn and masturbating."

I really got sick with it... It's just like some part of my mind that's eager to do all these dirty stuff is overwhelmung the one that resists and struglles and is generally against it. In simple words, I have a wish, then I drop resisting and get interested, then I'm broken by this shit.

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User is offline   Mikko 

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#4

How exactly are you "addicted"? If you jerk off about once a day, that's perfectly normal (doesn't matter whether you're in a relationship or not; you probably wouldn't get laid every day anyway). I'd say you have a problem if you spend hours watching porn, but as DT said, there's an easy solution to that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with watching porn for, say, less than half an hour a day.

View Post#SH@DOW#, on Jan 15 2011, 12:58 PM, said:

porn and masturbation are harmful and just waste of time.


Neither is harmful nor a waste of time for as long as it's not excessive. But then again, this applies to pretty much everything.

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User is offline   #SH@DOW# 

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As for addiction it depends... there were different situations. Some times I jerked off once a day regularly, some times I could do it four or five times during a day - so that's already excessive you see. So even so called normal jerking off can lead you to multiple acts of watching porn and playing with yourself. Even when I jerk off once I day, I feel bad - my mind is not clear and there's a discomfort in my body - this syndrom can be something alike a hangover.

But I could live without it all for some time - my best results is 2 monthes without watching porn and 3 monthes without masturbation.

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User is offline   Mikko 

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Okay, it's obviously not normal to feel bad about masturbating (if you do it once or twice a day) and even less normal to be 3 months without it (it's actually dangerous not to jerk off for three months although you're probably going to ejaculate while sleeping, which helps). You should try to establish some kind of rule such as "watch one scene a day and jerk off" and be done with it. If you still feel shit for doing it this suggets you grew up in a sick conservative environment from which you ought to break free.
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User is offline   #SH@DOW# 

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Conservative environment? My parents are against it, my mother is surely, as for my father I can say that he doesn't give a shit. I remember him saying that he used to do this in his young ages, so that's ok he thinks, because he was the same as me - but I don't think that he had any problems with it. At least he didn't tell me details. As for friends - some rhink that's ok, the others think that I ought to find a girl and make relationship with her instead of jerking off.

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User is offline   Mikko 

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Well any woman who's against masturbation is a fucking idiot.
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User is offline   #SH@DOW# 

#9

She is a religious woman and treats it like a sin.

The main point why I want to get rid of masturbation is the fact that I become egoistic, nervous and lazy. Yes, especially lazy, I don't want to do a shit and I don't care then. I become something like a drug addict so to say.

One think that worries me a bit is one incident when it happened that I wanted to watch porn(It was yesterday to be exact), i did it and during watching I experienced a greet trembling in my body, it's like you're shivering from cold, but my room's temerature condition is alright. What the fuck was that? Such a thing happened few times earlier in my life.

To my mind masturbation is a stupid imitation of sex and when you're doing it you cheat yourself, you imagine in your dirty phantasies and when watching porn that you fuck pretty girls with big boobs and round asses. In reality it's all bullshit - you are pathetic and you fuck no one but yourself.

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User is offline   #SH@DOW# 

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Desteny, are you a girl or a guy? Anyway for all you described above I can sign, cause I suffer the same. I can add one thing - after masturbating it feels like some part of you has died out. I also heard that Chinese people call masturbation a little death.

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User is offline   Mikko 

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View Post#SH@DOW#, on Jan 15 2011, 04:35 PM, said:

She is a religious woman and treats it like a sin.


As I said, she's an idiot. No wonder you feel the way you do about masturbation.

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The main point why I want to get rid of masturbation is the fact that I become egoistic, nervous and lazy.


No, you need to stop being lazy and nervous. Nothing wrong with being egoistic.

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To my mind masturbation is a stupid imitation of sex and when you're doing it you cheat yourself, you imagine in your dirty phantasies and when watching porn that you fuck pretty girls with big boobs and round asses. In reality it's all bullshit - you are pathetic and you fuck no one but yourself.


So what exactly is wrong with fantasizing things like that? It's just fun. Everyone is supposed to jerk off every now and then, whether they're in a relationship or not.
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User is offline   #SH@DOW# 

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The most dissapointing thing about my mother is that she doesn't allow me to fuck with a girl in my room. (I should add that she may allow it on the conditions that I have a relationship with a girl for a long time and I'm gonna marry her) The story was that I met a girl one evening, we liked each other then on the same day I met her we came to my flat just to spend night together. We were silent and she didn't find out that I wasn't alone in my room. She noticed her only in the morning. Thank God she wasn't naked at that time. After such a discovery I heard tons of dirty words from my mother, and tons of shit were thrown upon me.

I'm 23 now and I had sex only few times - two times to be exact, with different girls. The first time I experienced it was when I was 22, almost 23. what a shame for me especially if take into consideration such facts that I'm not ugly, I have a muscled body, not a fool.

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View Post#SH@DOW#, on Jan 15 2011, 09:30 AM, said:

The most dissapointing thing about my mother is that she doesn't allow me to fuck with a girl in my room. (I should add that she may allow it on the conditions that I have a relationship with a girl for a long time and I'm gonna marry her) The story was that I met a girl one evening, we liked each other then on the same day I met her we came to my flat just to spend night together. We were silent and she didn't find out that I wasn't alone in my room. She noticed her only in the morning. Thank God she wasn't naked at that time. After such a discovery I heard tons of dirty words from my mother, and tons of shit were thrown upon me.

I'm 23 now and I had sex only few times - two times to be exact, with different girls. The first time I experienced it was when I was 22, almost 23. what a shame for me especially if take into consideration such facts that I'm not ugly, I have a muscled body, not a fool.


It's normal to expect your mother to be very upset in a situation like that. What would happen if the girl gets pregnant and decides to have the baby? It could ruin your life. Also, smuggling people into your parent's home is a serious offense, whether you are having sex with them or not.

As for the porn thing...in your first post you said it was an addiction, and to me that means you are looking at it way too much, like hours every day. I think you misunderstood me; it's not evil, just use moderation (like Mikko said). You should definitely not feel guilty about doing it once a day, as long as it's not wasting a lot of your time.

By the way, Destiny is a guy and an attention seeker. Don't believe anything he says, unless it is about video games.
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#14

Maybe Destiny is a Hermaphrodite?

Anyway, back on the topic, you have to satisfy your urges somehow Shadow, if you ignore them you are not a man, either you jack-off or you become a rapist, and I know which one I would prefer.

Watching Porn is not a bad thing, it's natural as long as you aren't watching too much, I'd say watch it long enough to get a good boner and then pull one off (you can leave the porn on while you do that but I personally prefer to use my immagination by this point) when you are done you can switch the porn off.

Jacking off is also natural, most of the guys I know do it at least three times a day (I don't) and some of them even go into details about it on many occasions. No offense you your parents, but screw what they think, it's your body to do whatever you like with it, in fact, the thought that people don't want you to do it and could potentially walk in on you is something you might be able to get off on (and thus have to watch porn less) though that kind of thing may not work for you.

It is normal to feel a little depressed and nervous afterwards, your body releases chemicals that make you sleepy (hence being lazy) and your emotions run high, just try to relax.

Also, it's normal, most guys (and women) haven't had sex as much as they might claim to have done, and if they are getting it that often then it probably isn't very good anyway. Quality over Quantity, one day you will find that girl who is just right, good things come to those who wait. At least you can go within a mile of a woman without her punching you (though I do enjoy being hit by women - guess I have issues) or running away screaming.

So, in short, don't worry about it, you're doing nothing wrong, and if you feel you are watching too much porn, try to find something else to do, leave the house and go for a walk or something.
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View Post#SH@DOW#, on Jan 15 2011, 02:58 AM, said:

Thank you for support and sharing my opnion that porn and masturbation are harmful and just waste of time.

No its not. Dude you really have balls to post that and I now respect you for it. But instead of just jacking off straight away when you feel like it, just think why your doing so much: You are bored and want something to do. Try going out for a while or taking a long walk and go shopping or something afterwards. This will help you. Try to find the source of bordom first and don't try to repress jacking it.

Believe me I had the same problem a few years ago and was in the place as you are. Jacking off is healthy, normal behavor. Don't deny it, just socialize a little more, sounds stupid i know but i've been there i know. You'll be fine.
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View Post#SH@DOW#, on Jan 15 2011, 08:30 PM, said:

I'm 23 now and I had sex only few times - two times to be exact, with different girls. The first time I experienced it was when I was 22, almost 23. what a shame for me especially if take into consideration such facts that I'm not ugly, I have a muscled body, not a fool.

Dude... We're not your friends, you don't need to share that much details with us/internet.

View PostHigh Treason, on Jan 15 2011, 09:58 PM, said:

Anyway, back on the topic, you have to satisfy your urges somehow Shadow, if you ignore them you are not a man, either you jack-off or you become a rapist

Pure and utter bullshit.
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View PostLotan, on Jan 15 2011, 01:25 PM, said:

Pure and utter bullshit.

Indeed.
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View Post#SH@DOW#, on Jan 15 2011, 12:36 PM, said:

Indeed.

He means if you repressing them they'll get the better of you.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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Masturbation and watching pornography is not wrong in anyway. It is a healthy and natural exercise. Granted, pornography is a rather new concept you could say, but there are even cave-men drawings of sex on walls. However, once masturbation and pornography become an integral, perhaps disturbing, part of your life you should probably check yourself. Why is this becoming so forefront? Obviously there is some sort of internal problem, and likely if it hadn't been porn/masturbation, you would have gotten addicted to something else. As all things, it must be taken in moderation and a healthy manner.
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Rape is categorized as a violent crime, not a sexual crime. The idea that masturbating/porn or even sexual activity will "prevent" rape is ludicrous. I wouldn't be surprised if rapist actually masturbate or have active sex lives. A depreciated value of sex => lack of concern for another's space => rape/sexual assault. Other factors are obviously needed.
I was once challenged with the question "Is porn/masturbation really about sex?"
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#21

You guys take things way out of proportion sometimes...

Try not jacking off for a few months and see how you feel when that hot girl you know is around, chances are you will leave the room for fear of saying/doing something that will upset her, now, this would worsen the longer you left it, just how poor your restraint would become probably varies from person to person, but why do you think prisoners get raped in the ass?
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Whatever the merits of your claims, you have to admit you derailed the thread topic pretty good there.
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View PostHigh Treason, on Jan 16 2011, 01:18 AM, said:

Try not jacking off for a few months and see how you feel when that hot girl you know is around, chances are you will leave the room for fear of saying/doing something that will upset her, now, this would worsen the longer you left it, just how poor your restraint would become probably varies from person to person

Actually the more you masturbate at the every whim of your desire the more problem you would have around hot girl. By not jacking off every day you're not that fragile to this. Not that masturbating every day is a bad thing, but you're clearly wrong by saying people need regular masturbation to get on with their lives. It depends.

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chances are you will leave the room for fear of saying/doing something that will upset her

Chances you would have a bigger problem than just not getting laid/masturbation if being in the room with the girl could turn that way.
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I usually jack off to porn three times a day regardless of whether or not I have a girlfriend. I've been doing it since I was 12 and I don't plan to stop until I'm dead. It lowers risks of prostate cancer, keeps my stress levels down, relaxes me, and enables me to keep my testosterone levels under control (I have more than average). I also sleep better if I do it before going to bed.

View PostMikko_Sandt, on Jan 15 2011, 06:14 AM, said:

Well any woman who's against masturbation is a fucking idiot.

QFT.

View PostLotan, on Jan 15 2011, 12:25 PM, said:

Dude... We're not your friends, you don't need to share that much details with us/internet.

I don't mind him sharing it. I think it's great to be able to talk to other guys about stuff like this and be honest about it. :P
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View PostHigh Treason, on Jan 15 2011, 11:58 AM, said:

Maybe Destiny is a Hermaphrodite?

Anyway, back on the topic, you have to satisfy your urges somehow Shadow, if you ignore them you are not a man, either you jack-off or you become a rapist, and I know which one I would prefer.

Watching Porn is not a bad thing, it's natural as long as you aren't watching too much, I'd say watch it long enough to get a good boner and then pull one off (you can leave the porn on while you do that but I personally prefer to use my immagination by this point) when you are done you can switch the porn off.

Jacking off is also natural, most of the guys I know do it at least three times a day (I don't) and some of them even go into details about it on many occasions. No offense you your parents, but screw what they think, it's your body to do whatever you like with it, in fact, the thought that people don't want you to do it and could potentially walk in on you is something you might be able to get off on (and thus have to watch porn less) though that kind of thing may not work for you.

It is normal to feel a little depressed and nervous afterwards, your body releases chemicals that make you sleepy (hence being lazy) and your emotions run high, just try to relax.

Also, it's normal, most guys (and women) haven't had sex as much as they might claim to have done, and if they are getting it that often then it probably isn't very good anyway. Quality over Quantity, one day you will find that girl who is just right, good things come to those who wait. At least you can go within a mile of a woman without her punching you (though I do enjoy being hit by women - guess I have issues) or running away screaming.

So, in short, don't worry about it, you're doing nothing wrong, and if you feel you are watching too much porn, try to find something else to do, leave the house and go for a walk or something.


This man's advice is brilliant.



View Postblackharted, on Jan 15 2011, 12:35 PM, said:

No its not. Dude you really have balls to post that and I now respect you for it. But instead of just jacking off straight away when you feel like it, just think why your doing so much: You are bored and want something to do. Try going out for a while or taking a long walk and go shopping or something afterwards. This will help you. Try to find the source of bordom first and don't try to repress jacking it.

Believe me I had the same problem a few years ago and was in the place as you are. Jacking off is healthy, normal behavor. Don't deny it, just socialize a little more, sounds stupid i know but i've been there i know. You'll be fine.


Some good words here also. I just wish you could make posts of this quality more often...
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View PostYatta, on Jan 16 2011, 01:59 AM, said:

I also sleep better if I do it before going to bed.


And sometimes it's impossible to even fall asleep if you haven't jerked off. It's not just the absence of sexual thoughts but there's also a chemical effect (as someone already pointed out) that makes you tired after ejaculation.
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#27

Ok guys, first off you need to stop crying like small bitches.

Masturbation is a good thing. It gives a nice feeling, not only in the dick but also in the whole body.
If you don't like masturbation then don't do it, we really don't care.

And shadow, if i may call you that. Muscles doesn't change the fact that a man is a fool. Muscles nowadays are only used to boost up your own satisfaction for yourself. People going to the gym all the time only do it because they aren't feeling comforable with themself. And they way you describe the word fool it sounds like you really mean a pussy. Men's pussy-level aren't described on the way they look. But the way they feel with themselves. Yes i just said that muscled men are pussy's. Ofcourse it is always a good idea to go work out a few times a week so you dont end up looking like kirby. God i hate kirby that fat little freak.

Anyway if you prefer masturbation over sex with a woman. Then i guess you should just do some masturbation!!!

The feeling you get after you just masturbated is a mix of many things. The reason why you feel tired is maybe because you just worked out seriously hard depending on how you did it ^^ it's like doing 10 pushups. You will get a nice warm feeling.
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User is offline   Kathy 

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View PostYatta, on Jan 16 2011, 02:59 AM, said:

I think it's great to be able to talk to other guys about stuff like this and be honest about it. :P

No! :P

View PostJhect, on Jan 16 2011, 06:18 AM, said:

The reason why you feel tired is maybe because you just worked out seriously hard depending on how you did it ^^ it's like doing 10 pushups.

10 pushups are seriously hard? Wow.
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View PostLotan, on Jan 16 2011, 10:09 AM, said:

No! :P


10 pushups are seriously hard? Wow.



In case you don't know. The more muscles you have the easier 10 pushups will be for you. But it's not only muscles that defines your strength. It also has to do with technique, acceleration and weight to name a few of the factors.
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User is offline   Kathy 

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Either way, 10 pushups don't even sound "seriously hard".

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