[OpenMaw]

Micky C, on Nov 19 2010, 08:27 PM, said:

Does anyone know the actual reason why Duke Begins was cancelled?

All we know for certain about DB is that it at one point was in the works, and then either Take2 or Gearbox had the plug pulled. Nothing else is really known, so its pretty much impossible to speculate on the issue.

[Mr.Deviance]

Actually Randy was kind of weird in his latest interview.
He said something about not being able to tell the Duke Nukem Begins story because it won't "help" him nor the Duke Nukem fans.
He also admitted that the court documents prove that gearbox was into this duke nukem thing since 2007, which was kind of shocking to hear.
What the hell is going on? Did anybody understand what he meant to say?
He seemed to avoid the Duke Nukem Begins subject so he doesn't spoil DNF or something...

[Micky C]

If you think about it, if they leave Duke origin story alone, the character becomes more mysterious and exotic. Not to mention later on down the line they can just make stuff up as it suits them. Kind of like Dr Who... (yes shoot me I just compared Duke to Dr Who)

[DavoX]

I agree with Mr. Deviance. Randy seemed like he was making Duke Begins so as to release it after 3DR released DNF if they stayed on schedule. But when Things got fucked up, Well...

It's friggin obvious that Duke Begins had to come up a year or two after DNF. If anything about it gets known now, it would probably even spoil the entire DNF game.

This makes me curious because now that they own both games, they can make DNF and Duke Begins take any direction and have new ways of connecting the story between them.

[DerickVonD]

The young Duke model could be Duke in a flash back, maybe in afew levels at the beginning of the game, like him fighting the cyclops monster at the beginning or as the game with in a game Duke. Although I doubt this is the case. In any case someone could make a replacement model for Duke to make him look older. Personally I like this model of Duke http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Brai...m_wow/DukeA.jpg

[Outtagum]

That model is creepy.

[DerickVonD]

Zor, on Nov 28 2010, 12:13 AM, said:

That model is creepy.

why do you say that?

[The Albino Ape]

Mr.Deviance, on Nov 18 2010, 09:41 AM, said:

Apparently, he's getting younger as time goes by...
As you can plainly see, DNF takes place after Duke 3D, yet he looks much younger. Duke was about 35-38 in Duke 3D and now he looks like he's 20...

DN3D is almost literally right after DN2.

Look how young he looks here

His age here looks like about 25-30

[Valdsator]

DerickVonD, on Nov 27 2010, 06:28 PM, said:

The young Duke model could be Duke in a flash back, maybe in afew levels at the beginning of the game, like him fighting the cyclops monster at the beginning or as the game with in a game Duke. Although I doubt this is the case. In any case someone could make a replacement model for Duke to make him look older. Personally I like this model of Duke http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Brai...m_wow/DukeA.jpg

That's also my favorite model. But the idea that Duke is younger in the beginning could be true. I've noticed that some pictures Duke is wearing new sunglasses, and in others he's wearing his old sunglasses, at least, I think he is.

[OpenMaw]

Valdsator, on Nov 28 2010, 07:21 AM, said:

That's also my favorite model. But the idea that Duke is younger in the beginning could be true. I've noticed that some pictures Duke is wearing new sunglasses, and in others he's wearing his old sunglasses, at least, I think he is.

I'd chalk that up to artistic discontinuity more than anything. Different artists working with different materials.

[blackharted]

DavoX, on Nov 21 2010, 04:33 AM, said:

I agree with Mr. Deviance. Randy seemed like he was making Duke Begins so as to release it after 3DR released DNF if they stayed on schedule. But when Things got fucked up, Well...

It's friggin obvious that Duke Begins had to come up a year or two after DNF. If anything about it gets known now, it would probably even spoil the entire DNF game.

This makes me curious because now that they own both games, they can make DNF and Duke Begins take any direction and have new ways of connecting the story between them.

No Duke Begins was supposed to come out BEFORE DNF so they could pay back an amount to Take Two which would be due in 2012 for some reason I can't remember.

[DavoX]

Care to give me a source confirming that?

It seemed to me that Gbx was developing Duke Begins on par with 3DR working on DNF. As to release DNF first and then Duke Begins. After all, Randy semeed to imply that giving details about Duke Begins would spoil the experience of playing DNF.

[The Albino Ape]

blackharted, on Nov 29 2010, 05:55 AM, said:

No Duke Begins was supposed to come out BEFORE DNF so they could pay back an amount to Take Two which would be due in 2012 for some reason I can't remember.

Source?

[Mr.Deviance]

blackharted, on Nov 29 2010, 05:55 AM, said:

No Duke Begins was supposed to come out BEFORE DNF so they could pay back an amount to Take Two which would be due in 2012 for some reason I can't remember.

Post the source NOW!!!

[Martin]

Mr.Deviance, I see what you mean, but I think you're getting too hung-up on his appearance in art for the early games. It really was all over the place, in in-game Duke looked nothing like the box/menu art. Where we do agree is that 2007 Duke looked fucking badass. Just somehow grislier and looking hard as fuck. I really don't care that much, though. As long as it looks like Duke. One thing we know is that Duke will sound the full 12 years older whenever he says anything, and most of the time all you can see are his hands, anyway. So who gives a fuck?

[blackharted]

Mr.Deviance, on Nov 29 2010, 07:26 PM, said:

Post the source NOW!!!

Court documents on Shacknews, this is a reply ro post 42 and 43 also.

[DavoX]

Source, as you don't even give a link or anything:

http://www.shacknews...article.x/59522

"Take-Two also disputed 3D Realms' claim that Duke Begins was originally due by mid-2010, and further denied that its halted development "has materially harmed Apogee and/or will necessarily delay the commercial release of the Duke Begins game."

In essence, no one really knows the real dates as one party says one thing and the other refutes it.

Let's pretend for a second that 3DR said the truth and Duke Begins was Due mid-2010 for real. Duke Begins started in 2007, so 3DR probably wanted another Duke game as soon as possible after DNF, just to make up for all the waiting.
Remember how Dnf was going to come out april 2010? Well, mid 2010 is AFTER april 2010... Duke Begins wouldn't come out at the same time than DNF, and this is probably the grounds for Take two to dismiss the Mid-2010 claim. Although I do believe 3DR said the truth, they just didn't know DNF would take even longer than Duke Begins.

[Raziel]

In terms of age, I'd put Duke in DNF at just over 40...

[blackharted]

DavoX, on Dec 1 2010, 11:14 AM, said:

Source, as you don't even give a link or anything:

http://www.shacknews...article.x/59522

"Take-Two also disputed 3D Realms' claim that Duke Begins was originally due by mid-2010, and further denied that its halted development "has materially harmed Apogee and/or will necessarily delay the commercial release of the Duke Begins game."

In essence, no one really knows the real dates as one party says one thing and the other refutes it.

Let's pretend for a second that 3DR said the truth and Duke Begins was Due mid-2010 for real. Duke Begins started in 2007, so 3DR probably wanted another Duke game as soon as possible after DNF, just to make up for all the waiting.
Remember how Dnf was going to come out april 2010? Well, mid 2010 is AFTER april 2010... Duke Begins wouldn't come out at the same time than DNF, and this is probably the grounds for Take two to dismiss the Mid-2010 claim. Although I do believe 3DR said the truth, they just didn't know DNF would take even longer than Duke Begins.

I swear to God that Duke Being was supposed to be a game that exsisted purely to pay back royalties or the advances for DB that would have become "immediately due" in 2012, and I think this was done because they had to pay some money before 2012 anyway as they weren't sure at the time weather of DNF would be sucessful enough to pay it all back, thus they hoped to release a game that would be. Something like that anyway, I remember reading something like this in the court documents and in 3DR comments but haven't got the time right now to go through them all.

[DavoX]

Ok I'll wait for you to read it when you have time

[blackharted]

DavoX, on Dec 3 2010, 05:25 AM, said:

Ok I'll wait for you to read it when you have time

That will take a while I warn you.

[DavoX]

I know

[KO Gilligan]

Bam050196, on Nov 27 2010, 09:45 PM, said:

It's Ted Danson

[Person of Color]

Fucker, I can't unsee that one. Haha.

[randir14]

Joe Siegler says 3DR considered Duke to be in his mid 30's
http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showt...886#post2155886

[osjclatchford]

well, ted danson aside (damn you... cant... scrub... mind...clean!) there is apparently a huge time-space continuum error in the duke universe;

- duke nukem (or nukum depending on your version) made in 1991 and set in the distant exciting post-apocolyptic future of; 1997!
- duke nukem 2; one year later; "too late vein-head, I've already been imortalised by defeating dr proton last year." so 1998?
- duke 3d made in 1996 but when is it set? as duke is coming straight home after destroying the rigelatins it must be either 1998/99 depending on the date of his encounter... the high level of technology and space-bases suggests a future setting but who knows the date for sure, how long did duke's return flight really take, did he utilise some kind of wormhole travel presenting the possibility of time displacement?

so, quantum physics aside, 12 years later equalls 2010/11 so correct?
then how comes the cycloid eye in the museum from dnf is supposed to have been kicked out of the eye in 1996?

"yeah, but after 12 f*cking years, it shoud be..."

1996 + 12 = 2008... dear oh dear duke, no wonder we can't work out how old you're supposed to be when you can't even tell what year it is...

I've been giving this too much thought haven't I...?

[Jimmy]

DNF isn't set in the present day. It was supposed to have been released in 2008 or 2009.

[Person of Color]

[Micky C]

I still think the technology we've seen so far in the Duke universe has gone backwards since Duke 3D. Where are all the impenetrable forcefields? I hate the idea of DNF being set anywhere near the present.

[thelegend4ever]

Funny since I also thought that by DNF Duke was was 40/41/42. He just has that "retired" look in the game (which goes with what the other characters were saying about his "retirement). Also figured that's why he's slower and can't jump as high like Duke 3D.