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Not cus it grossed almost 2.730 bils worldwide but because it was damn wellmade, was probably one of the best film of all time.
Soo beautiful etc.
I didn't even knew it was computer animated based film because it was soo realistic and well made.
Did you like the film Avatar (2009) "Couldn't find similar threads about it."
#1 Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:27 PM
Avatar was probably one of the best film ever.
Not cus it grossed almost 2.730 bils worldwide but because it was damn wellmade, was probably one of the best film of all time.
Soo beautiful etc.
I didn't even knew it was computer animated based film because it was soo realistic and well made.
Not cus it grossed almost 2.730 bils worldwide but because it was damn wellmade, was probably one of the best film of all time.
Soo beautiful etc.
I didn't even knew it was computer animated based film because it was soo realistic and well made.
#2 Posted 28 May 2010 - 11:59 PM
Opinion seems to be divided on this. Nobody can doubt the cinematography, but the story was simply Dances with Wolves meets Fern Gully and was a little preachy.
I liked it, but I can see how many others didn't
I liked it, but I can see how many others didn't
#3 Posted 29 May 2010 - 02:06 AM
Zaxtor, on May 28 2010, 10:27 PM, said:
Avatar was probably one of the best film ever.
Not cus it grossed almost 2.730 bils worldwide but because it was damn wellmade, was probably one of the best film of all time.
Soo beautiful etc.
I didn't even knew it was computer animated based film because it was soo realistic and well made.
Not cus it grossed almost 2.730 bils worldwide but because it was damn wellmade, was probably one of the best film of all time.
Soo beautiful etc.
I didn't even knew it was computer animated based film because it was soo realistic and well made.
Yes. It was amazing, i don't see how anyone can't dislike it.
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#4 Posted 29 May 2010 - 03:17 AM
The story and characters of this film are so dumb and ridiculous that I was barely able to enjoy the great optical/3D achievements.
If you put these aspects in relation to the budget, Avatar might even be among the worst films ever made. And a good papier mâché model still excels any CGI stuff which is still far from being realistic in many cases IMHO.
If you put these aspects in relation to the budget, Avatar might even be among the worst films ever made. And a good papier mâché model still excels any CGI stuff which is still far from being realistic in many cases IMHO.
#6 Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:16 AM
The Commander, on May 29 2010, 05:54 AM, said:
Haven't seen it and I am not in a hurry to either.
Well your silly. Its a great movie and well its your loss.
(BTW LeoD are you retarded? your wrong. utterly wrong. its obvious you haven't seen it. There NO WAY you could have and say that.)
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#7 Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:21 AM
LeoD, on May 29 2010, 04:17 AM, said:
The story and characters of this film are so dumb and ridiculous that I was barely able to enjoy the great optical/3D achievements.
If you put these aspects in relation to the budget, Avatar might even be among the worst films ever made. And a good papier mâché model still excels any CGI stuff which is still far from being realistic in many cases IMHO.
If you put these aspects in relation to the budget, Avatar might even be among the worst films ever made. And a good papier mâché model still excels any CGI stuff which is still far from being realistic in many cases IMHO.
Pretty much agreed.
Movies like The Terminator and Aliens, which were made for far less money I find far more entertaining. They put Story first, visual effects second. Avatar has it backwards, trying to wow you with Visual effects first, and formulating a hollow, cheaply manipulative, backdrop of a story second.
blackharted, on May 29 2010, 08:16 AM, said:
Well your silly. Its a great movie and well its your loss.
I think its his gain, actually.
#8 Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:23 AM
blackharted, on May 29 2010, 08:16 AM, said:
Well your silly.
your wrong.
your wrong.
You're, YOU'RE, YOU'RE. Don't go around calling people retarded if you can't even get contractions right.
#9 Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:32 AM
Commando Nukem, on May 29 2010, 07:21 AM, said:
Pretty much agreed.
Movies like The Terminator and Aliens, which were made for far less money I find far more entertaining. They put Story first, visual effects second. Avatar has it backwards, trying to wow you with Visual effects first, and formulating a hollow, cheaply manipulative, backdrop of a story second.
I think its his gain, actually.
Movies like The Terminator and Aliens, which were made for far less money I find far more entertaining. They put Story first, visual effects second. Avatar has it backwards, trying to wow you with Visual effects first, and formulating a hollow, cheaply manipulative, backdrop of a story second.
I think its his gain, actually.
God i used to think you were smart Commado Nukem, but saying it has a weak story when you compare to Aliens or Terminator or ANY action film that always has a paper thin story and puts the action first and story second? God Almighty! and THEN you say that the FX's were only trying to "wow" you? (falls out of wheelchair and and gasps for breath) you need help!
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#10 Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:38 AM
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Hnpo-u0Sw3c
Nuff said.
EDIT: I won't even mention Fern Gully or Pocahontas.
Nuff said.
EDIT: I won't even mention Fern Gully or Pocahontas.
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#11 Posted 29 May 2010 - 12:58 PM
blackharted, on May 29 2010, 08:32 AM, said:
God i used to think you were smart Commado Nukem, but saying it has a weak story when you compare to Aliens or Terminator or ANY action film that always has a paper thin story and puts the action first and story second? God Almighty! and THEN you say that the FX's were only trying to "wow" you? (falls out of wheelchair and and gasps for breath) you need help!
Aliens is character driven.
Terminator is character driven.
Avatar is effects driven. Its about the 3D, its about the effects.
Yes, the sole objective of Avatar was to make me go OOH, Ah, Whoa... It blows.
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#12 Posted 29 May 2010 - 12:59 PM
Commando Nukem, on May 30 2010, 08:58 AM, said:
Aliens is character driven.
Terminator is character driven.
Terminator is character driven.
This is what made these movies epic.
#14 Posted 29 May 2010 - 05:12 PM
wanky piece of forced epicness that wanked on for about half 'n' hour to long
only cool thing was the older surlier duke nukem character who killed alien bastards.
only cool thing was the older surlier duke nukem character who killed alien bastards.
#15 Posted 29 May 2010 - 05:14 PM
James Cameron said because the film was a success he will make 2 more.
Avatar 2 according to IMDB will come out in 2014.
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1. Avatar 2 (2014)
In 2006, Cameron stated that if Avatar was successful, he hoped to make two sequels to the film. In 2010, he said the film's widespread success confirmed that he will. The prospect of sequels was something he planned from the start, going so far as to include certain scenes in the film for future story followups. Cameron said he wants to make the sequel "cheaper and faster" and that the story will be a continuation of the characters introduced in Avatar.
Colonel Miles Quaritch, believes his character could make a return: "You think those two arrows in my chest are going to stop me from coming back?" Lang told Entertainment Weekly, "Nothing's over so long as they've got my DNA
Avatar 2 according to IMDB will come out in 2014.
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1. Avatar 2 (2014)
In 2006, Cameron stated that if Avatar was successful, he hoped to make two sequels to the film. In 2010, he said the film's widespread success confirmed that he will. The prospect of sequels was something he planned from the start, going so far as to include certain scenes in the film for future story followups. Cameron said he wants to make the sequel "cheaper and faster" and that the story will be a continuation of the characters introduced in Avatar.
Colonel Miles Quaritch, believes his character could make a return: "You think those two arrows in my chest are going to stop me from coming back?" Lang told Entertainment Weekly, "Nothing's over so long as they've got my DNA
#16 Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:56 PM
Avatar was an ok movie, wouldn't exactly call it the greatest movie ever. The visual effects where amazing but the story was crap. Only reason anyone should ever see it is just for the visual effects.
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#17 Posted 30 May 2010 - 01:33 AM
DanM, on May 29 2010, 06:12 PM, said:
wanky piece of forced epicness that wanked on for about half 'n' hour to long
only cool thing was the older surlier duke nukem character who killed alien bastards.
only cool thing was the older surlier duke nukem character who killed alien bastards.
You know, its funny too... I was supposed to care about the blue-cgi guys right?
I just kept saying "GO MARINES! GO GO! BURN IT DOWWWNNN!!!!"
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#18 Posted 30 May 2010 - 02:34 AM
The Commander, on May 29 2010, 02:54 PM, said:
Haven't seen it and I am not in a hurry to either.
Lunick, on May 30 2010, 12:21 AM, said:
Never saw it actually, I really wanted to
It's worth the money if you go to a 3D-cinema. Otherwise you can wait until it's on TV. Especially the non(or not-so-much)-CGI 3D scenes are good because they improve immersion without slapping your face with effects.
Btw, Alice in Wonderland was 3Ded in post-production and this did not work out too well.
#19 Posted 30 May 2010 - 04:10 AM
Commando Nukem, on May 29 2010, 12:58 PM, said:
Aliens is character driven.
Terminator is character driven.
Avatar is effects driven. Its about the 3D, its about the effects.
Yes, the sole objective of Avatar was to make me go OOH, Ah, Whoa... It blows.
Terminator is character driven.
Avatar is effects driven. Its about the 3D, its about the effects.
Yes, the sole objective of Avatar was to make me go OOH, Ah, Whoa... It blows.
LOLOLOLOLOL! Terminator character driven! yeah right! ANY Action movie isn't character driven!! now i'm sure you need help.
No Avatar is not effects driven. Its acually got one hell of a plot which drives the film along. You must be thinking of Clash of the Titans now there a film thats driven by FX's.
(However i will admit that i was rooting for the baddies, but i always do. They are SO much cooler.)
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#20 Posted 30 May 2010 - 05:34 AM
blackharted, on May 30 2010, 05:10 AM, said:
LOLOLOLOLOL! Terminator character driven! yeah right! ANY Action movie isn't character driven!! now i'm sure you need help.
Good action movies are ALWAYS about Character First and everything else second. It's hard to write a good action film for that very reason. Its a balance between logic, realism, and pacing.
The Die Hard movies, are all about John McClane first. Not about guns and explosions. They put John into circumstances, and get you to legitamitely care whether he succeeds or not. You get to know him as a person, and understand what he wants. It isnt just about him walking from room to room shooting people.
Terminator pushes an atmosphere and suspense by focusing on Sarah firstly living her life, and then reacting to the murders of other Sarah Connor's around her. She is at the center of the story along with Kyle. It is about THEM. The Terminator is not about the Shootout at Tech Noir, or the battle in the police station, or the showdown in the factory. Its not about the visual effects that drive those action scenes. Its about the story and characters first and foremost.
First Blood, is about John Rambo, and pain he suffers after returning from Vietnam. Be it not being able to find work, or being spit on by protestors, or being pushed around by the cops, or suffering PTSD flashbacks. It isnt about explosions and killing cops. Its about a man being pushed too far and snapping.
I can go on. Good action movies always drive forward character and story first.
For the record good in the objective sense does not nessacarily mean complex. In fact complexity tends to be a bad thing in action films because it dillutes the elements.
Avatar's plot is ENTIRELY functional. It borrows metaphors from real life and proceeds to ruin any meaning they might actually have beyond the superficial by manipulating the elements. Essentially cheating. Taking the American indian, or African tribe metaphor, and then manipulating the belief system of the Navi to be something scientifically supported is a cheat, and it ruins the pararrel. Dont even get me started on the Iraq-war stuff.
James Camereon replicated the enviroment of success he had with Titanic, he created the film in an attempt to push technology. It was all about the technology and the money, and its painfully obvious to anyone who knows how the industry works. Its entire intention is to wow you with visuals, thats it. The plot is soley there to service that end.
blackharted, on May 30 2010, 05:10 AM, said:
No Avatar is not effects driven. Its acually got one hell of a plot which drives the film along.
Yes it is, and no it doesnt.
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#22 Posted 30 May 2010 - 08:40 AM
Wrong Avatar thread, man
I've just found some pre-production footage. Why on earth did they change those guys?
I've just found some pre-production footage. Why on earth did they change those guys?
#23 Posted 30 May 2010 - 10:28 AM
Commando Nukem, on May 30 2010, 06:34 AM, said:
Good action movies are ALWAYS about Character First and everything else second. It's hard to write a good action film for that very reason. Its a balance between logic, realism, and pacing.
The Die Hard movies, are all about John McClane first. Not about guns and explosions. They put John into circumstances, and get you to legitamitely care whether he succeeds or not. You get to know him as a person, and understand what he wants. It isnt just about him walking from room to room shooting people.
Terminator pushes an atmosphere and suspense by focusing on Sarah firstly living her life, and then reacting to the murders of other Sarah Connor's around her. She is at the center of the story along with Kyle. It is about THEM. The Terminator is not about the Shootout at Tech Noir, or the battle in the police station, or the showdown in the factory. Its not about the visual effects that drive those action scenes. Its about the story and characters first and foremost.
First Blood, is about John Rambo, and pain he suffers after returning from Vietnam. Be it not being able to find work, or being spit on by protestors, or being pushed around by the cops, or suffering PTSD flashbacks. It isnt about explosions and killing cops. Its about a man being pushed too far and snapping.
I can go on. Good action movies always drive forward character and story first.
For the record good in the objective sense does not nessacarily mean complex. In fact complexity tends to be a bad thing in action films because it dillutes the elements.
Avatar's plot is ENTIRELY functional. It borrows metaphors from real life and proceeds to ruin any meaning they might actually have beyond the superficial by manipulating the elements. Essentially cheating. Taking the American indian, or African tribe metaphor, and then manipulating the belief system of the Navi to be something scientifically supported is a cheat, and it ruins the pararrel. Dont even get me started on the Iraq-war stuff.
James Camereon replicated the enviroment of success he had with Titanic, he created the film in an attempt to push technology. It was all about the technology and the money, and its painfully obvious to anyone who knows how the industry works. Its entire intention is to wow you with visuals, thats it. The plot is soley there to service that end.
Yes it is, and no it doesnt.
The Die Hard movies, are all about John McClane first. Not about guns and explosions. They put John into circumstances, and get you to legitamitely care whether he succeeds or not. You get to know him as a person, and understand what he wants. It isnt just about him walking from room to room shooting people.
Terminator pushes an atmosphere and suspense by focusing on Sarah firstly living her life, and then reacting to the murders of other Sarah Connor's around her. She is at the center of the story along with Kyle. It is about THEM. The Terminator is not about the Shootout at Tech Noir, or the battle in the police station, or the showdown in the factory. Its not about the visual effects that drive those action scenes. Its about the story and characters first and foremost.
First Blood, is about John Rambo, and pain he suffers after returning from Vietnam. Be it not being able to find work, or being spit on by protestors, or being pushed around by the cops, or suffering PTSD flashbacks. It isnt about explosions and killing cops. Its about a man being pushed too far and snapping.
I can go on. Good action movies always drive forward character and story first.
For the record good in the objective sense does not nessacarily mean complex. In fact complexity tends to be a bad thing in action films because it dillutes the elements.
Avatar's plot is ENTIRELY functional. It borrows metaphors from real life and proceeds to ruin any meaning they might actually have beyond the superficial by manipulating the elements. Essentially cheating. Taking the American indian, or African tribe metaphor, and then manipulating the belief system of the Navi to be something scientifically supported is a cheat, and it ruins the pararrel. Dont even get me started on the Iraq-war stuff.
James Camereon replicated the enviroment of success he had with Titanic, he created the film in an attempt to push technology. It was all about the technology and the money, and its painfully obvious to anyone who knows how the industry works. Its entire intention is to wow you with visuals, thats it. The plot is soley there to service that end.
Yes it is, and no it doesnt.
Wait your saying that Arines' films don't rely on action! LOLOLOL! have you seen Predator?
Then you say Avatar borrows elements from other sources! what the HELL doesn't!
#24 Posted 30 May 2010 - 11:13 AM
Duke nukem borrows from Doom and They Live !! (classic horror sci-fi film).
Avatar looks like that AD but still doesn't borrow from other films.
Avatar's planet biodiversity is a little bit similar to the classic manga film. (Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind) Warriors of the wind (1984)
Also is fairly similar to Super Metroid Planet Zebes.
Avatar looks like that AD but still doesn't borrow from other films.
Avatar's planet biodiversity is a little bit similar to the classic manga film. (Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind) Warriors of the wind (1984)
Also is fairly similar to Super Metroid Planet Zebes.
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#25 Posted 30 May 2010 - 05:58 PM
When blackharted grows up and matures he will understand what we are trying to tell him about being character driven.
#26 Posted 31 May 2010 - 04:31 AM
The Commander, on May 30 2010, 06:58 PM, said:
When blackharted grows up and matures he will understand what we are trying to tell him about being character driven.
Ohhh trying to wind me up are you? REALLY nice try i'll give you that.
#27 Posted 31 May 2010 - 04:46 PM
I liked Avatar. I bet most of those guys going "it was effects before story" are just hating on it because it's insanely popular or something.
#29 Posted 01 June 2010 - 01:34 AM
I liked Avatar because well made, good story, beautiful world they have. Non human or humanoid related species.
James Cameron's religion is possibly Pantheism not sure.
His views on aliens might be right or wrong.
The aliens in Avatar soo called the Na'vi takes good care of their planet, uses minimal resources as possible and avoid harm toward their wildlife.
It shows about species aren't neglected toward their own planet.
I saw on some forums etc, some people felt sad/depressed after seeing Avatar and ashame of our own kind of being soo careless toward Earth.
Also jealous too because the fictional film Avatar shows species taking good care of their planet and having such a beautiful biodiversity.
While our beautiful biodiversity being cut down in an alarming rate, government corruption, greed, poverty, negligence and carelessness etc.
Avatar is an environmentalism and anti-globalization movie according to some media and wikipedia.
In Avatar yes aliens live in primitive lifestyle. Maybe their times aren't as advance as us or they don't want to evolve to modern society.
We dunno, it is a fiction film and story is meant to be like that. Cameron might know it :-D .
There are a few countries that takes good care of their forests. Check Finland, it has 2/3 to 3/4 of its forest cover left, Sweden has lots of forest left.
And few more countries.
Native people took good care of nature until white men came to American and genocide the native and put the surviving them into parks and reserves.
(similar to this)
In conclusion.
I have saw some video on youtube about humans and alien lifeforms when we will explore other planet if we will which wont happen for a very, very long time.
Human might exploit their resources if we visit more like conquer them, extraterrestrials they might exploit our resources if they come to us we dunno that yet.
Look human greed has brought many species to the brink and species with less brain capacity they are treated as "resources".
Majority of people are soo anthropocentric (humano-centric). We think we are centered and more superior than other species.
Aliens might be that way toward us. Alienocentrism who knows the word.
They might see us as "resources" because of their superior mental capacity.
The world will have good people, bad people and inbred hicks ignorance.
Its the balance of nature, good and evil will always exist no matter where we go.
James Cameron's religion is possibly Pantheism not sure.
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The New York Times opined that the film is "Cameron's long apologia for pantheism ... Hollywood's religion of choice for a generation now
His views on aliens might be right or wrong.
The aliens in Avatar soo called the Na'vi takes good care of their planet, uses minimal resources as possible and avoid harm toward their wildlife.
It shows about species aren't neglected toward their own planet.
I saw on some forums etc, some people felt sad/depressed after seeing Avatar and ashame of our own kind of being soo careless toward Earth.
Also jealous too because the fictional film Avatar shows species taking good care of their planet and having such a beautiful biodiversity.
While our beautiful biodiversity being cut down in an alarming rate, government corruption, greed, poverty, negligence and carelessness etc.
Avatar is an environmentalism and anti-globalization movie according to some media and wikipedia.
In Avatar yes aliens live in primitive lifestyle. Maybe their times aren't as advance as us or they don't want to evolve to modern society.
We dunno, it is a fiction film and story is meant to be like that. Cameron might know it :-D .
There are a few countries that takes good care of their forests. Check Finland, it has 2/3 to 3/4 of its forest cover left, Sweden has lots of forest left.
And few more countries.
Native people took good care of nature until white men came to American and genocide the native and put the surviving them into parks and reserves.
(similar to this)
In conclusion.
I have saw some video on youtube about humans and alien lifeforms when we will explore other planet if we will which wont happen for a very, very long time.
Human might exploit their resources if we visit more like conquer them, extraterrestrials they might exploit our resources if they come to us we dunno that yet.
Look human greed has brought many species to the brink and species with less brain capacity they are treated as "resources".
Majority of people are soo anthropocentric (humano-centric). We think we are centered and more superior than other species.
Aliens might be that way toward us. Alienocentrism who knows the word.
They might see us as "resources" because of their superior mental capacity.
The world will have good people, bad people and inbred hicks ignorance.
Its the balance of nature, good and evil will always exist no matter where we go.
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#30 Posted 01 June 2010 - 05:17 AM
Zaxtor, on Jun 1 2010, 12:34 PM, said:
Also jealous too because the fictional film Avatar shows species taking good care of their planet and having such a beautiful biodiversity.
Then why don't these idiots move to the rainforest? Maybe they know subconsciously that they'd rather exploit the environment than live in "harmony" with it.
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Native people took good care of nature until white men came to American and genocide the native and put the surviving them into parks and reserves.
What happened in North America was a series of sporadic skirmishes, not an organized genocide. Moreover, a civilized society cannot and should not allow uncivilized cultures to live among them. For example, Europeans should not allow Muslims to form their own enclaves in the suburbs of Paris, Stockholm or Turku.
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I have saw some video on youtube about humans and alien lifeforms when we will explore other planet if we will which wont happen for a very, very long time.
Human might exploit their resources if we visit more like conquer them, extraterrestrials they might exploit our resources if they come to us we dunno that yet.
Human might exploit their resources if we visit more like conquer them, extraterrestrials they might exploit our resources if they come to us we dunno that yet.
Yes, economic interests will play a key role in space exploration. This is a good thing.
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Look human greed has brought many species to the brink and species with less brain capacity they are treated as "resources".
Majority of people are soo anthropocentric (humano-centric). We think we are centered and more superior than other species.
Majority of people are soo anthropocentric (humano-centric). We think we are centered and more superior than other species.
Every species is concerned with their own survival. This is why species exist in the first place.
And you obviously have no trouble enjoying the fruits of exploiting nature.
