[Ninety-Six]

I'll cut this straight to the point. For anyone who is a Bob Averill expert, I would like to know if it's actually possible to reach two particular "secrets" (in quotes because they aren't tagged as such). There's the yellow key hanging from a chain in the resort that doesn't seem like it can be reached, even with steroids. As far as I know there isn't a jetpack in this level (then again it's so massive that it's hardly impossible there's one hidden in a dark corner of the sea), and it doesn't look like it's a clipping issue since the jump doesn't come anywhere even close. Likewise for the atomic health at the prison airlock. Shooting them with explosives doesn't work either.

I've been struggling to make a video on this map because of this (that and the kill count). These are supposed to double as walkthroughs, and even though they aren't essential (or count towards completion) missing out on being able to grab fairly obvious things, would kind of go against the spirit of completion these videos are meant to achieve.

[FistMarine]

I vaguely remember that yellow card hanging on the ceiling (which also confused me on my first playthrough), I think it could only be grabbed by jumping on a flying trooper (which is something I did as a last resort in some user maps that had no way to reach a particular secret, like that second unreachable secret in Sewers and Strippers user map) and if you used the yellow card on that room requiring it, all it contained was a bunch of very tiny annoying mice (from Babe Land).

I found its original thread at Scent-88: http://www.scent-88....opic,205.0.html
Bob Averill mentions a jetpack is available in the map. I will look into the map in Mapster to help further. Wait a second. I tried to download the map from Scent-88 and the download failed (link got blocked by Malwarebytes browser extension), then when I refreshed the page a couple seconds later (to unblock the site), it then says that my IP is banned and should contact the admin! WTF? I never got blocked from Scent-88 before and I haven't downloaded any map from that site in a long time (and I didn't download a lot of maps in quick succession either). A lot of websites have acted strangely as of lately on my PC (timing out or resetting the connection or whatever, I still can't access Doomworld Forums on my PC for reasons mentioned earlier, as an example) and didn't expect Scent-88 to do the same (in this case what seems to be an unfair ban). Ah well, I guess I should contact the admin to unblock me. Maybe another time when I feel like downloading maps again from Scent-88.

Okay, I downloaded BobSP4 from MSDN. Looking in Mapster, I searched for secrets and found none. I search for jetpack sprite (57) and can confirm there IS a jetpack item available. In the south-east of the map, where you will find a crashed spaceship with a dead astronaut hanging. That's where jetpack is found! I guess that is the intended solution to reach that yellow card and the atomic health hanging in the ceiling! Instead of having to rely on jumping on a flying trooper.
There is another atomic health located at the bottom of the ocean. Good luck finding it! And good luck in collecting everything in this map! I really should replay this map after all these years, though I was thinking whether I should nominate Bob Averill's maps for next month (and if they win, play them next month) or should just replay them as soon as I can. I remember finding BobSP4 impressive back when it released but I also remember it was a bit tedious with the whole underwater traveling.

[Ninety-Six]

FistMarine, on 07 January 2022 - 04:36 AM, said:

I search for jetpack sprite (57) and can confirm there IS a jetpack item available. In the south-east of the map, where you will find a crashed spaceship with a dead astronaut hanging. That's where jetpack is found! I guess that is the intended solution to reach that yellow card and the atomic health hanging in the ceiling! Instead of having to rely on jumping on a flying trooper.

Alright thanks. I think I know the ship you're talking about. The ocean is so dark I'm really not surprised I missed it.

EDIT: Okay that's mean. You have to actually go through the astronaut. The ship and the cable are both solid, but he isn't, and the jetpack is obscured by him. No wonder I never found it.

FistMarine, on 07 January 2022 - 04:36 AM, said:

I remember finding BobSP4 impressive back when it released but I also remember it was a bit tedious with the whole underwater traveling.

I didn't mind the travelling part so much; there's a bunch of steroids everywhere to make the traversal go by pretty quick. It's more how dark it is that I have issue with. I'm probably going to have to ditch the darkus fixes for this video because of the sharks and just how invisible they are.

FistMarine, on 07 January 2022 - 04:36 AM, said:

I tried to download the map from Scent-88 and the download failed (link got blocked by Malwarebytes browser extension), then when I refreshed the page a couple seconds later (to unblock the site), it then says that my IP is banned and should contact the admin! WTF? I never got blocked from Scent-88 before and I haven't downloaded any map from that site in a long time (and I didn't download a lot of maps in quick succession either).

The same thing happened to me, actually.

[ck3D]

Ninety-Six, on 07 January 2022 - 04:53 AM, said:

The same thing happened to me, actually.

Offtopic, but I just reported you guys' technical issues to Puritan.

[Forge]

ck3D, on 07 January 2022 - 06:45 AM, said:

Offtopic, but I just reported you guys' technical issues to Puritan.

it's intentional
Frode said he had issues with bots mass-downloading from his server.
Just email him to get your i.p. whitelisted

[Aleks]

Yeah I used to get IP-banned a few times on CGS website as well, there's about 70 seconds delay before you can download another file to avoid it. The ban only seems to last a couple of hours/days it seems though.

As for BobSP4, good luck with the video. The map is pretty impressive indeed, but also not the most entertaining to watch I imagine due to large size with not that much going on vs darkness (which I agree is more of an issue). Still it's much less frustrating than BobSPX, that one was just insanely unfair due to the newbeasts...