Valve's new handheld: Steam Deck
#1 Posted 15 July 2021 - 11:25 AM
What do you guys think? I'm pretty excited for it.
#2 Posted 15 July 2021 - 02:17 PM
I own Switch and bought Vita recently and I enjoyed Vita much more due to how customizable it is, homebrew scene is especially great, and Vita made me realize what I really wanted from a handheld (without homebrew too). The only downside of Vita is that it was killed by Sony even though it had great potential, so it resulted in poor later support from major companies, if it wasn't for that I would buy Vita sooner instead of Switch that had no competition. Most of the time I play Switch for multiplats that I can't play on Vita.
If its battery will not be terrible, if Valve invest into it, put more love, if their OS will have good support for all the games, I won't even need Vita anymore perhaps (Steam has most of the good Vita games already). Hell, the fact that Steam also has no paid online bullshit makes it already ten times superior. Switch online subscription is fucking terrible joke, seriously, fuck this piece of shit, PSN is ten times better for what it offers.
Please, Valve, don't fuck up. Bonus points if they promote it in Japan, but that's a wishful thinking I bet, even though they have shitton of Japanese games, but on the other hand some of their employees have a hate boner for Japanese games like pretty much all Western companies (including Sony which is part of the problem).
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#4 Posted 16 July 2021 - 07:11 AM
Also I find it funny that people are getting assblasted that this will compete with the Switch. But I personally think they both can coexist in the same space.
#5 Posted 16 July 2021 - 08:24 AM
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#7 Posted 16 July 2021 - 10:57 PM
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#8 Posted 17 July 2021 - 03:44 AM
DukeNukem64, on 16 July 2021 - 10:57 PM, said:
1080p is almost outdated as well... wtf? O....k....
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I wish I could preorder it but my common sense is telling me to dump al my money into renovating my new house instead of vidya. Which makes sense yeah.
#9 Posted 17 July 2021 - 03:49 AM
I don't really want something over 1080p...everything over that just an overkill to me
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#11 Posted 17 July 2021 - 06:23 AM
jkas789, on 16 July 2021 - 07:11 AM, said:
Well, it makes since Switch has zero competition when it comes to handheld which is also has plenty of issues (mostly like due to lack of competition), i.e. joycons are overpriced junk (my Switch stopped detecting right joycon attached to itself since 6 months of usage lol), Switch itself is overpriced despite weak hardware and cheap materials used for it in general, and now they plan to release OLED which is even much more overpriced pretty much regular Switch even though they didn't add much to justify this price (thanks for not making exclusives for this model I guess?). Worth mentioning bad regional pricing policy too when it comes to certain countries.
The most hilarious part is that Valve announced Deck right after disappointment that is called OLED announcement (when most expected Pro model). I think Valve plan to compete with Switch when it comes to market of handhelds itself which is the type of competition Switch actually needs, because Nintendo has their own demographics anyway so directly Valve won't be competing with Switch (something apparently morons from Sony didn't understand with Vita too and they don't understand it even now).
If Valve don't fuck it up, Steam Deck will be a perfect multiplatform (and emulation station) on handheld market, better than Switch (that would be worth only for Nintendo exclusives). It will be superior due to better prices and more games, plus better performance. Could finally be able to play superior Duke 3D, Deus Ex, CRPGs, old RPGs, not-fucked up remakes, original PC games, JRPGs and much more.
DukeNukem64, on 16 July 2021 - 10:57 PM, said:
This is handheld after all (though of course you can use it as a regular PC too, but the main purpose is portability).
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#12 Posted 17 July 2021 - 03:28 PM
This will be the ultimate emulation platform to compliment the Switch's exclusives. Plus you get Steam games and whatever else you want from a PC.
Also you can open up the thing and insert your own 2230 M.2 NVMe hard drive (though those are less conventional and more expensive for the time being) so you could buy the lowest tier without one and buy one later. But the prices of the higher tiers is fairly comparable to buying an actual 2230 NVMe yourself. But if you wanted to spread out the cost, that's one route you could go. You have to dismantle the device to put one in though. But I mean, if you're comfortable doing that with a PC you could do that to the Deck no problem I feel like.
#13 Posted 19 July 2021 - 08:23 AM
jkas789, on 17 July 2021 - 05:47 AM, said:
Well you could be right about it being an important thing. A lot of people in the northern countries in Europe are using 1080 for PC and 4K for consoles (gaming), however a lot (as in more than 80%) of new sales are better quality than 1080/144 hz monitors. So only 20% of people who buy new PC screens actually buy 1080. It has been the standard for like.. 7-8 years? I have no statistics regarding that, but I had a 1080 screen back in 2015.
Anyways: 720P is not a thing that will be futureproof as Valve is describing it. 1080 would not even be future proof. It would be better, but far from it. The price for the "small" SSD 256 GB is more expensive than PS5/XBOXSX and choosing the 512 SSD it's 30% more expensive than XBOXSX. That's insane for me. I will probably buy a handheld in the future since I have a kid now, but I will wait for 2/3. gen of this :-) Steam machine v2. anyone? :-D
#14 Posted 20 July 2021 - 04:59 AM
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My thoughts as well. Gaming on PC this days has increasingly become a enthusiast hobby if you want to game on 4k ultra 220000000 fps bla bla bla. For the rest of the poor bastards liek me who prefer to spend most of their money on other stuff
@MusicallyInspired & @Sledgehammer
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This two I'm not so sure off. The Switch is already a very strong emulation machine on it's own and if we value both the Switch and the Steam Deck by price and emulation capacity I think the Switch will end up edging up a win. I think were the Steam Deck can be competitive is in the Steam store.
@DukeNukem64
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This also worries me. Sure you could argue that the portability and the "future proofing" justifies it but when you make a price comparison to existing consoles the Steam Deck comes of as another enthusiast product (like the gpd win or the aya neo) and not as something that would be necessarily mainstream. Well, we will see if Steam can manage to pull this off.
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#17 Posted 21 July 2021 - 08:36 PM
2. Playing games on a 7 inch screen is a terrible experience
3. Grossly over priced and it gets worse as you add more storage. 64GB of EMMC is $12 and a 512GB PCI-E M.2 SSD is $65 which valve asks a $250 premium for
4. Paying for the "privilege" to buy something is bullshit and nearly as retarded as a pre order
No thanks.
#19 Posted 22 July 2021 - 01:14 PM
MusicallyInspired, on 21 July 2021 - 05:53 AM, said:
Those are very good point that I had not considered. The only thing I could say is that you could embrace your ban and go full pirate.
Well, I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I'm will be waiting for the reviews before I consider buying one. If they release on México at all.
#20 Posted 22 July 2021 - 03:05 PM
MusicallyInspired, on 22 July 2021 - 05:47 AM, said:
Marginally. A 2230 M.2 is $80 for 512GB vs $65 for the standard 2280 form factor and need I mention slower average transfer speeds as well since it's typically used for imaging devices as opposed to PC. Either way, it's still a 212.5% markup which is bordering on apple levels of highway robbery that only a fool would willingly accept.
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#21 Posted 22 July 2021 - 06:57 PM
Also, Valve are really hyping up the SD card performance. In their playtesting they've gotten feedback that while it's not as fast as the SSD, playing experience and load times from SD cards is "comparable." Everyone has been saying for the past week now that you won't be having a problem on SD cards. Still happy I reserved the 512GB model though. Just because I want to see what this thing can do.
Also, people have said that NVMe drives perform faster the more storage space there is? Is there any truth to that? Because I was wondering how the top tier model would have faster SSD speeds than the mid-tier with an SSD.
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#22 Posted 22 July 2021 - 11:39 PM
MusicallyInspired, on 22 July 2021 - 06:57 PM, said:
Also, Valve are really hyping up the SD card performance. In their playtesting they've gotten feedback that while it's not as fast as the SSD, playing experience and load times from SD cards is "comparable." Everyone has been saying for the past week now that you won't be having a problem on SD cards. Still happy I reserved the 512GB model though. Just because I want to see what this thing can do.
Also, people have said that NVMe drives perform faster the more storage space there is? Is there any truth to that? Because I was wondering how the top tier model would have faster SSD speeds than the mid-tier with an SSD.
Which valve isn't using. You clearly don't have much knowledge in how mass manufacturing works. This console is being manufactured in china from whatever components they can source at the cheapest price within spec. You're also mistaken in how SSD's fuction. Read performance doesn't suffer until the nand chips are close to full and that heavily depends on the type of nand used.
I also never said there was a problem loading from the base models EMMC storage which is essentially a glorified SD Card. Modern SD cards have come a long way in read/write performance. A bigger concern I would have is the longevity of constant write cycles but time will tell.
Regardless, you've clearly hopped on the bandwagon like the endless droves of steam fangirls so pointing out facts isn't going to change your mind since you'll just find another excuse to justify being fleeced and keeping up with the jonses.
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#24 Posted 23 July 2021 - 09:22 AM
MusicallyInspired, on 23 July 2021 - 06:48 AM, said:
Funny, granted that it was you that appeared to initially be offended that I didn't share the same mindless glowing opinion that you did...
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#26 Posted 03 August 2021 - 09:55 AM
I am more into this, dev has had problems, but it's bysoc. fingers crossed we see a release.
#28 Posted 06 August 2021 - 04:08 PM
It's a tough one.
This post has been edited by Avenger: 06 August 2021 - 04:13 PM