[Danukem]

 Jimmy, on 24 May 2021 - 12:49 PM, said:

Why is the administration so obsessed with what people want to discuss?

Speaking only for myself, I don't like it when thread topics become random. When I click on a thread, I want a reasonable level of confidence that it is at least roughly about what the title says it is about. Is it the worst thing in the world when a thread goes off topic? No. Is it worth making a minimal effort to either bring it back on topic or change the thread title. Imo, yes.

As far as I'm concerned, you can discuss whatever you like. Radar's most recent ban resulted in my stance changing somewhat. In a nutshell: since my own standards of what is bannable/punishable don't conform with the standards of the site owners, I think its best that I not get involved in that aspect of moderating any more.

[Kralex]

 Phredreeke, on 19 May 2021 - 11:40 PM, said:

The person posting this? ☝️

Damn you got me good! It's so cringe how I don't whine about petty political drama on a fucking Duke Nukem forum of all places. I am owned.

[Jimmy]

Except that's exactly what you're doing.

[Kralex]

Telling ya'll to stop embarrassing yourself isn't taking any kind of political stance. Also the world isn't America, there's lots of shit going on all over the world, if you're not going to put any effort or care into it don't expect people from other countries to do the same.

[Jimmy]

No one cares, turd worlder.

[Phredreeke]

Jokes on you, you elected a guy with dementia to be your president.

[Kralex]

 Jimmy, on 26 May 2021 - 08:00 AM, said:

No one cares, turd worlder.

All the grace and maturity I would expect from you. (also no one cares kinda just proves what I was saying about stupid, shitty, selfish Americans) at least I live in a first world country that didn't elect an insane, narcissistic reality TV star as president lmao. I take solace in the fact that the bubbling pot that is the current American political climate means you'll probably all kill each other with your beloved guns. First amendment baby, what a bunch of racist white people decided over 100 years ago definitely means that it's good and healthy for you all to have guns. Hey maybe compare mass shooting and school shooting stats from America to Australia. No but we're the fools.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Wrong amendment, dude.

[Kralex]

 Jesus Christ, on 26 May 2021 - 09:34 AM, said:

Wrong amendment, dude.

Who cares? Tell me one fact about the Australian constitution

[Aristotle Gumball]

Anything that happens in the states sends ripples throughout the world. This isn't something most people know, but after WW 2, the US basically restructured global capitalism. Let me know when your sun scorched island does the same. And I'm not saying this as praise here, but as an European I care for instance about who gets elected president since there will be a ripple effect in the rest of the world, e.g. the massive wave of far right populism following the 2016 US election.

[Kralex]

 Jesus Christ, on 26 May 2021 - 09:50 AM, said:

Anything that happens in the states sends ripples throughout the world. This isn't something most people know, but after WW 2, the US basically restructured global capitalism. Let me know when your sun scorched island does the same. And I'm not saying this as praise here, but as an European I care for instance about who gets elected president since there will be a ripple effect in the rest of the world, e.g. the massive wave of far right populism following the 2016 US election.

As someone who has been under the rule of far right populism here... I can only hope things get better. The US influence does trickle down, one of the main papers here is influence by Rupert Murdoch making idiot believe in stupid right wing beliefs.

[jkas789]

 Jesus Christ, on 26 May 2021 - 09:50 AM, said:

far right populism following the 2016 US election.

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making idiot believe in stupid right wing beliefs.

As someone who lives under a nation in which the current majority in government is left leaning populism, it is not much better. Who'd had though that leaning on extremes is actually good? Again, nuance!

Also hot take: you need both right wing beliefs and left wing beliefs to have a good government that keeps checks and balances in terms of ideology.

[Kralex]

 jkas789, on 26 May 2021 - 04:30 PM, said:

As someone who lives under a nation in which the current majority in government is left leaning populism, it is not much better. Who'd had though that leaning on extremes is actually good? Again, nuance!

Also hot take: you need both right wing beliefs and left wing beliefs to have a good government that keeps checks and balances in terms of ideology.

I'm sorry to hear that, but look at the attitude here. The posts where I go hard on Jimmy being an idiot have been downvoted, that kinda attitude creeps me out. I don't know how you can look at someone like him and not think he's a fucking idiot who has spent too long being right wing radicalised. He's the kind of person who makes me want to leave this community. And don't try to tell me "but he's a nice guy" he's not nice at all, he's a loud boorish asshokle, the type who makes the world a worse place. There's no way he wasn't a bully in highschool, he's just a grade A mean moron. Look at his avatar he wants to be a muscular gun toting man, but also he's probably gay and wants to fuck that man. Who knows, but in my experience men who look up to manly man gun totting figures are usually fucking losers. But I digress, all this stuff would maybe be more interesting if it wasn't clear Jimmy has an IQ in the single digits. It's just like watching a monkey fling his own poo at the zoo, kinda funny but nothing of value from it, That's probably the most disappointing thing is just how clearly braindead Jimmy is.

[Phredreeke]

 Kralex, on 26 May 2021 - 04:43 PM, said:

Look at his avatar he wants to be a muscular gun toting man, but also he's probably gay and wants to fuck that man.

Projection?

[Danukem]

What bothers me about this is it's off-topic. Why can't the thread be about Devolver/Sarkeesian and related things like what we think of game companies taking political stands? When people start making personal attacks and inserting tiresome generic political attacks then EVERY THREAD BECOMES THE SAME. Fuck that. There's a reason why we have different thread topics and different subforums. If you want to have another boring-ass thread about personal attacks and generic political hot takes, then use one of the existing outhouse threads or make a new thread in general discussion.

[OpenMaw]

 Kralex, on 19 May 2021 - 08:16 PM, said:

Between him and the guy who threw a tantrum and heartbreakingly had to let Duke Nukem go because Jon St Jon doesn't like Trump I don't know who is more cringe.

In other words you can't fucking read. I made it clear so many times I don't give a shit if Jon supports Trump or not. Trump is the subject of many of his drunken curse filled rants. That's not the issue. The issue is how he reacts to anyone responding critically, and sometimes responding at all to his posts..

So let me say it again, but differently:

I DON'T LIKE THE WAY HE TREATS HIS FANS ON A DAILY MOTHER FUCKING BASIS.


Seriously. The jackass banned a dude for asking him WHEN HE WAS PLANNING TO MAKE ANOTHER CON APPEARANCE. What the shit kind of insanity is that??? News flash, Trump isn't in office anymore. It's not about Trump. Some of you really need to get it through your head. Right, a political tiff is what made me go down the road of completely disowning Jon. nevermind that would require me, if I were consistent at all, to disown most of my family who are all left and hard left leaning.

Also, Kralex, I've actually had heated discussions with Jimmy. I may not agree with him on all things, but I can at least respect him for saying what he means straight out. Not some punk ass who tries to take a sniping shot at someone when they think he's not around to read it. I'd take Jimmy's assholish behavior a thousand times over before I'd ever consider taking yours seriously.


Also, just to make sure i'm staying on topic here:

Devolver are idiots for supporting Anita. Unless the goal is to stir up controversy to generate more attention. They say no such thing as bad press, but I don't know. I don't think this smells good from any angle. Call me crazy.

[Aristotle Gumball]

 jkas789, on 26 May 2021 - 04:30 PM, said:

As someone who lives under a nation in which the current majority in government is left leaning populism, it is not much better. Who'd had though that leaning on extremes is actually good? Again, nuance!

Just because someone is critical of the far right doesn't automatically presume support for the far left. Mexico is such a shit hole honestly, you've got bigger problems there than any political affiliation. Seriously, I have friends there. Anyone with reasonable politics literally gets murdered by the mob.

 Kralex, on 26 May 2021 - 04:43 PM, said:

I'm sorry to hear that, but look at the attitude here. The posts where I go hard on Jimmy being an idiot have been downvoted, that kinda attitude creeps me out. I don't know how you can look at someone like him and not think he's a fucking idiot who has spent too long being right wing radicalised. He's the kind of person who makes me want to leave this community. And don't try to tell me "but he's a nice guy" he's not nice at all, he's a loud boorish asshokle, the type who makes the world a worse place. There's no way he wasn't a bully in highschool, he's just a grade A mean moron. Look at his avatar he wants to be a muscular gun toting man, but also he's probably gay and wants to fuck that man. Who knows, but in my experience men who look up to manly man gun totting figures are usually fucking losers. But I digress, all this stuff would maybe be more interesting if it wasn't clear Jimmy has an IQ in the single digits. It's just like watching a monkey fling his own poo at the zoo, kinda funny but nothing of value from it, That's probably the most disappointing thing is just how clearly braindead Jimmy is.

Not gonna speak for the monkey, but you brought up a personal issue in an unrelated thread, which is why I downvoted you. I think what you're seeing is a semi-pathological need to blurt things out in the most unfiltered manner due to the general repression of free expression in American society. Over time that unfiltered shit gets more provocative because people need a release valve. A lot of the time they're not as serious about it as you think, though (not saying it's all a joke either, but if you really question someone, you realize their view has more nuance than the initial presentation of it). I mean, I've said very similar things as you (about Jimmy and others), but then... I realized what was actually going on, and then I stopped caring. Anyone I have had a problem with I messaged in private too and gleaned aspects about their personality I wouldn't have otherwise received in a public "discussion". You might not like someone, but I suggest you stop ad hominem attacking them, and only respond to the argument itself. Like no one cares about some random ass temper tantrum. Make an actual point or leave, you know?

[Fox]

 Kralex, on 26 May 2021 - 04:43 PM, said:

I'm sorry to hear that, but look at the attitude here. The posts where I go hard on Jimmy being an idiot have been downvoted, that kinda attitude creeps me out. I don't know how you can look at someone like him and not think he's a fucking idiot who has spent too long being right wing radicalised. He's the kind of person who makes me want to leave this community. And don't try to tell me "but he's a nice guy" he's not nice at all, he's a loud boorish asshokle, the type who makes the world a worse place. There's no way he wasn't a bully in highschool, he's just a grade A mean moron. Look at his avatar he wants to be a muscular gun toting man, but also he's probably gay and wants to fuck that man. Who knows, but in my experience men who look up to manly man gun totting figures are usually fucking losers. But I digress, all this stuff would maybe be more interesting if it wasn't clear Jimmy has an IQ in the single digits. It's just like watching a monkey fling his own poo at the zoo, kinda funny but nothing of value from it, That's probably the most disappointing thing is just how clearly braindead Jimmy is.

Oh my god, a downvote, the horror

[X-Vector]

 Danukem, on 26 May 2021 - 06:18 PM, said:

When people start making personal attacks and inserting tiresome generic political attacks then EVERY THREAD BECOMES THE SAME. Fuck that. There's a reason why we have different thread topics and different subforums. If you want to have another boring-ass thread about personal attacks and generic political hot takes, then use one of the existing outhouse threads or make a new thread in general discussion.

From the forum guidelines:

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Perhaps it would be a good idea to either amend/abolish these guidelines or start following up on them.

[Danukem]

 X-Vector, on 27 May 2021 - 12:38 AM, said:

From the forum guidelines:


Perhaps it would be a good idea to either amend/abolish these guidelines or start following up on them.

Don't direct that at me, because I was the person saying that years ago.

Been there, done that. I'm not going to go out on a limb (again) and try to enforce my interpretation of those guidelines. If the site owners want to enforce standards, then that's their perogative. If they don't, that's also their perogative. I will answer questions (especially about eduke32), make comments, split threads, delete double posts, ban spam accounts, and other housekeepy type forum tasks, but when it comes to threatening or meting out punishments relating to forum guidelines, don't hold your breath.

[Phredreeke]

[Jimmy]

 Phredreeke, on 27 May 2021 - 07:00 AM, said:

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From Kings to Cucks in less than a year.

I'm tired of the government putting chemicals in the water that turn the frickin game developers gay.

[jkas789]

 Jesus Christ, on 26 May 2021 - 11:22 PM, said:

Mexico is such a shit hole honestly, you've got bigger problems there than any political affiliation. Seriously, I have friends there. Anyone with reasonable politics literally gets murdered by the mob.

Well that is your fault Jesus! I keep praying to ya but the narcos keep burning our harvest, taking our women and pissing on our tacos.

I guess it's true then:

[Hendricks266]

 Kralex, on 26 May 2021 - 04:43 PM, said:

Who knows, but in my experience men who look up to manly man gun totting figures are usually fucking losers.

Then why are you posting on a Duke Nukem forum?

[Aristotle Gumball]

 jkas789, on 27 May 2021 - 02:41 PM, said:

Well that is your fault Jesus! I keep praying to ya but the narcos keep burning our harvest, taking our women and pissing on our tacos.

I saw you touching yourself at night, hence you get the 1000 year plague.

[Sangman]

Is refusing to still spend money on Devolver products because they associate with someone who holds opinions you don't like this cancel culture I've been hearing so much about?

[Danukem]

 Sangman, on 28 May 2021 - 03:22 AM, said:

Is refusing to still spend money on Devolver products because they associate with someone who holds opinions you don't like this cancel culture I've been hearing so much about?

Now that the term "cancel culture" has become mainstream, then yeah I guess any kind of negative reaction to a political stance is going to be called "cancel culture" by someone. But that's a corruption of language. It used to refer to a more specific phenomenon, typified by a mob of people on the internet flooding the victim's twitter and other social media with angry comments, and usually threatening their real world job. It was something that a mob did to a little guy, or at least to an individual who could be fired for their transgression. The most maddening cases are where its over an unverified accusation and an innocent person gets virtually lynched. The idea that a company is a victim because some people are calmly thinking about boycotting it for something that it actually did -- if you want to call that "cancel culture" go ahead. Also wait now this off-topic thread that was split for being off-topic is on the topic that it was off and split for. Maybe Jimmy is right, any amount of moderating is always too muich.

[Sangman]

Maybe we should call what you described "doxing culture"

Nah but, I didn't realize cancel culture pertained to actions against individuals specifically.

[Danukem]

 Sangman, on 28 May 2021 - 04:49 AM, said:

Nah but, I didn't realize cancel culture pertained to actions against individuals specifically.

The idea of "cancel culture" being a bad thing goes back to individuals being hounded, smeared, losing their jobs, or facing other severe consequences because internet mobs came after them and essentially lynched them online without any due process. That is the core of what cancel culture is about. From there the idea can be extended in various ways. A small group of people being attacked or smeared by a larger mob isn't significantly different. But that works because there is still that power imbalance of the mob versus the individual or small group. When talking about a big group versus another big group, or some cranky people who don't want to buy from a big company -- that's where I think its a corruption of the term to call that cancel culture. But that's where we are at now with the language and that's why I think the term is no longer very useful.

[ck3D]

I just see it as communication being better than ever nowadays, with information circulating immensely and so more and more people get to express themselves, including categories of people who used not to be able to because for the longest time mass media had a monopoly on voice and dictated a certain version of truth really stemming from people first and foremost trying to enable themselves, when the oppressed had less options for testifying. Over the past decade or so, the Internet has blown up in ways that are especially out of corporate control and so whoever has to speak their truth will speak it, and that's destabilizing the old model. Most public figures the media invents characters for and places as inspirational names and literal role models in reality are just as much as assholes as the next guy on the street who might be abusing people on the daily and publicly walking away with it, if not more because the extra society-fed narcissism will block them from questioning and developing themselves and so in the end the system encourages them to be assholes. As a consumer, I like spending money that I know will support as few behaviors and people I really don't want to support as possible, to make sense. And if I ever contribute to bringing kids into this world, it's not for them to spend my paychecks on worshipping assholes as just as many fake icons. If someone holds onto a supposedly important public position but established themselves on lie and abuse and then reliable information comes out (because it now can) that disrupts my justification of the person's position, then I'm all for them to get the fuck out. Most of the time they wouldn't have earned it in the first place, had communication been perfect and people known who they really were. If that's a modern invitation for people to try and be more considerate for others in general and remember that one is supposed to be responsible for their actions, then in principle I'm all for it. Can't be mad at people for being over constantly being flashed and then force fed bullshit either.

Hoaxing is something different entirely though and qualifies as abuse. And then, mass movements, then those who follow my posts on here (if they exist) know exactly, if not too much about my stance on those in general. What's originally truth spontaneously gets diluted.