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Something about age of consent (split from Beetlejuice 2)

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View Postgemeaux333, on 18 February 2021 - 08:55 AM, said:

Netflix

so the teenage girl that's going the object of a perv's desire is an eleven year old grand daughter?
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View PostForge, on 18 February 2021 - 02:23 PM, said:

so the teenage girl that's going the object of a perv's desire is an eleven year old grand daughter?


No, Netflix is where "Wednesday" (the umpteenth adaptation of the Adam Family, and its in the modern world this time) will land, and yes Tim Burton will direct and Johnny Depp most likely play Gomez...

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 Forge, on 18 February 2021 - 02:23 PM, said:

so the teenage girl that's going the object of a perv's desire is an eleven year old grand daughter?

Go watch lolita you perv
16 but still underage.

If you read it she's 13

Or hold lewis caroll proudly.

Tell your children he's a wonderful human being and role model since he wrote fantastic books.

And that ideas that possibly spurred from a grown mans exploitation of little girls can benefit society and art as a whole. Like the rest of the world.

Or be france and the oscars, and polanskis production companies, and let convicted pedophiles live freely in their nation, and win oscars and make millions.

Personally think his paedophilia should be taught in schools, and to everyone else. So his impact or name can slowly drift to non existence.

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so i take it from your tangent ranting that you didn't get the netflix - cutties connection i was alluding to?

i'm simply pointing out that it's an amazing coincidence that the original movie is about an old dude trying to hook up with a teenage girl, & now some of those people that worked on the original product & the upcoming new one are also working with a distributor that pedals films exploiting children.

The sheeple of this country (allegedly) elected a known child-sniffer; they'll eat up this subliminal normalization like they do everything else fed to them in their safe-spaces.

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View PostForge, on 20 February 2021 - 07:40 AM, said:

so i take it from your tangent ranting that you didn't get the netflix - cutties connection i was alluding to?

i'm simply pointing out that it's an amazing coincidence that the original movie is about an old dude trying to hook up with a teenage girl, & now some of those people that worked on the original product & the upcoming new one are also working with a distributor that pedals films exploiting children.

The sheeple of this country (allegedly) elected a known child-sniffer; they'll eat up this subliminal normalization like they do everything else fed to them in their safe-spaces.

Yes, I did

The problem I had is that it's already existed in media for a while.

Do I want more media of it? No

But it is what it is and we can barely do shit about it.

And although I strongly dislike it.

I personally think bad people are going to be bad people w/ or w/o it.
Same way I view Skrewdriver.

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k
just not following your corn maze & didn't grok why you quoted me, called me a perv, and told me to go watch lolita.
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Pedo propaganda reported to mods.
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 Forge, on 20 February 2021 - 09:11 PM, said:

k
just not following your corn maze & didn't grok why you quoted me, called me a perv, and told me to go watch lolita.

I was joking
Part of me being "very disturbed"
And was trying to make you aware this is nothing new.
If not Netflix somewhere else.

Also, Me calling people trolls, hoes, assholes, retards, libtards, repubtards, and faggots is fairly liberal by now.
Perv is slightly lower on my ladder but still.

It's like Jimmy.

Both have no substance.

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when Jimmy does it, it's understandable and is easily relatable to the posts he's addressing.
with you, it seems like there's a lot of invisible lines that need to be drawn that only you can see. If you have to explain your joke, then it's not a very good joke.
Some of my references are vague as well, so I too need to work on my delivery.

So i'll just get to the point:
the person infatuating over this topic and chose it as the hill to die on, also has another line of posts in a curated thread about some australian show featuring a 16 year old girl that walks around in wet clothes most of the time.

your interesting list of kiddie-exploitation examples should have been offered up as a reference library for those who are married to their netflix subscription. Home of the androgynous thirteen year old lesbian He-Ra? She-Man? Zer-Ra.

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 Forge, on 21 February 2021 - 08:09 AM, said:

when Jimmy does it, it's understandable and is easily relatable to the posts he's addressing.
with you, it seems like there's a lot of invisible lines that need to be drawn that only you can see. If you have to explain your joke, then it's not a very good joke.
Some of my references are vague as well, so I too need to work on my delivery.

So i'll just get to the point:
the person infatuating over this topic and chose it as the hill to die on, also has another line of posts in a curated thread about some australian show featuring a 16 year old girl that walks around in wet clothes most of the time.

your interesting list of kiddie-exploitation examples should have been offered up as a reference library for those who are married to their netflix subscription. Home of the androgynous thirteen year old lesbian He-Ra? She-Man? Zer-Ra.

Well.

Im not a meta person lol

I only go by with what I see.
I do see your point.

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View PostForge, on 21 February 2021 - 08:09 AM, said:

the person infatuating over this topic and chose it as the hill to die on, also has another line of posts in a curated thread about some australian show featuring a 16 year old girl that walks around in wet clothes most of the time.

So it comes to this... You must be making an allusion to Ocean Girl; the girl played by Marzena Godecki, Neri, is just an alien having a strong affinity with water and "talking" to a whale (and having for mission to protect the ocean, and the earh by the way), there is no pedophiliac bone into the show, the whole point of the show is all about ecology and not about her perfect plastic (even if it bound the usefull to the convenient), and 99,99% of peoples having watched it figure it out ;) :lol:

Spoiler


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View PostJimmy, on 20 February 2021 - 09:14 PM, said:

Pedo propaganda reported to mods.

quoted for justice
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View Postgemeaux333, on 21 February 2021 - 09:08 AM, said:

So it comes to this... You must be making an allusion to Ocean Girl; the girl played by Marzena Godecki, Neri, is just an alien having a strong affinity with water and "talking" to a whale (and having for mission to protect the ocean, and the earh by the way), there is no pedophiliac bone into the show, the whole point of the show is all about ecology and not about her perfect plastic (even if it bound the usefull to the convenient), and 99,99% of peoples having watched it figure it out ;) :lol:


Imagine if you catch a 30 year old man flirting with your 15 year old daughter and he starts rambling like this.
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View Postgemeaux333, on 26 January 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

And of course I never get tired of seeing Marzena Godecki (Neri) !


she was in the 15 to 16 year old range when that series started filming. Begin justifying that it's of legal age in some regions of the planet.

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View PostForge, on 21 February 2021 - 09:43 AM, said:

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she was in the 15 to 16 year old range when that series started filming. Begin justifying that it's of legal age in some regions of the planet.


Article 120b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (10 U.S.C. § 920b), to which essentially only members of the United States Armed Services and enemy prisoners of war are subject, defines the age of consent as sixteen years but allows an exemption for people who are married to minors 12–15 years old. There is also a mistake-in-age defense if the minor is over 12, but not if the minor is under 12.

Federal age of consent is 16

The law of 30ish some states is 16

I have no idea the content of such show.
Do not want to watch it either.
As by your description it sounds disgusting.

And I think the age of consent should be 18.
with a 2 year range, lower or higher.

But to have sex.
(Not solicit sex.
Nor make porn of)

Is perfectly legal in most of the u.s.

I do personally think such law is fucked
And such law needs to be fixed.

But I am Not a Kiddie-diddling high ranking military motherfucker, nor a politician.
Just putting this out there.

I know this law well
as I was 19
horny
and offered sex by a 17 year old

but decided she was crazy
and I wasn't desperate

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The only thing I know is Marzena Godecki was 16-17 when she made the 3rd season of Ocean Girl in 1994-95 and was considered old enough to make her own stunts (no longer needed a stunt double)
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Marzena Godecki, September 28, 1978
1st episode of Ocean Girl aired: 29 August 1994
(probably took a few months to film and produce before it aired)

that would make her 15 for the 1st few episodes & 16 for the rest of the season & into the second season.

Still completely legal in some regions of the world
also: still creepy

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fc/8c/d0/fc8cd03d7a43514fe0ee2f23ad020421.jpg
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View PostForge, on 21 February 2021 - 09:43 AM, said:

Begin justifying that it's of legal age in some regions of the planet.


When I turned 16 it was literally impossible to find anybody to date because the girls were all with dudes 10 years older than them. Yes, 10 or more. When there are no limits, people just don't give a fuck. Parents don't either. Got my first real girlfriend at 18 and she kept complaining that I wasn't rich and didn't have a car. Like nigga when would I have acquired money? Chicks here want some older established man to put a baby in them ASAP and then they sit around doing nothing until they hit about 35, when their husband (feels strange to say boyfriend here, but no one really gets married) dumps them and gets a 25 year old. He'll be about 58 at that point.
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That's why younger men should focus on improving themselves and their status (or perceived status) and not lose their minds because they don't have a gf (and yes it is difficult). The good news for men is they have more staying power in the market and if they take care of themselves they can be with younger women for many years later on.
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View PostDanukem, on 22 February 2021 - 04:47 PM, said:

That's why younger men should focus on improving themselves and their status (or perceived status) and not lose their minds because they don't have a gf (and yes it is difficult). The good news for men is they have more staying power in the market and if they take care of themselves they can be with younger women for many years later on.


Yeah, pretty much. I also don't get this American idea of "chads". Like super good looking men who basically don't have to do anything and women just jump on them at every turn. That doesn't happen here, haha. We don't have this nerd culture either, you are deemed socially acceptable if you're good looking and have good grades, which increases your future earning potential since Estonia isn't dominant in sports or in any way besides tech basically. I had to hear from American women that I was apparently handsome. I won't say where my wife is from, but she basically wanted to fly over to meet me after 2 days of talking. Her friends came to make sure she wasn't kidnapped (it was considered a weird move by her social circle) and when they saw me, it was like, "oh, I get it now". You have to understand how truly unusual it was to be desired merely for my looks, and not for anything else. OK - I guess people online also appreciate the way I talk/write. IRL no one cares ever. JUST BRING HOME THE BACON DADDY AND STFU.

To an extent that is the entirety of Eastern Europe btw. I know beauty isn't valued either. Like everyone is kinda good looking & you might find a supermarket cashier who is a perfect 10, but she will have low self esteem and an abusive, alcoholic bf. That's why Western men come here, because they can get higher quality women than they could in their own country for less hassle (no feminism). That's another bummer about living here - having to compete with rich foreigners.

I actually have suggested to many of my friends to get foreign wives themselves, but most of them have this patriotic pride and wanna make more PuRe EsToNiAnS. I'm not pure anyway so idgaf.

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View PostImmanuelCunt, on 23 February 2021 - 01:15 AM, said:

Yeah, pretty much. I also don't get this American idea of "chads". Like super good looking men who basically don't have to do anything and women just jump on them at every turn. That doesn't happen here, haha.


A great deal of the social change in the last 60 years was caused by the ready availability of contraceptives and abortion. Before contraception, women put themselves at great risk by having sex outside of marriage, because they could get pregnant and would either have to have the baby or have to go to great trouble to get an abortion. As recently as the 1950's, the "shotgun wedding" -- a thing to be avoided -- was a huge cultural phenomenon in the U.S. In such an environment, women could not afford to risk having sex with a man just because he was attractive, because then she could end up being stuck with an unwanted kid and an unwanted husband. Likewise, men were under social pressure to not "take advantage" of women, but men being men... the burden fell more on women to avoid such encounters.

The relevance to Estonia and the Eastern Bloc countries more generally is that the Soviet Union in some ways froze you in time culturally. To this day your countries are much more conservative culturally than western Europe or the U.S. Also, amplifying that, I think it was hard to get contraceptives and abortions during the Soviet era: https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/12283401/ which would have helped keep the lid on casual flings.

That's my take at least. So your culture is delayed, but it might yet catch up.
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View PostDanukem, on 23 February 2021 - 02:28 AM, said:

A great deal of the social change in the last 60 years was caused by the ready availability of contraceptives and abortion. Before contraception, women put themselves at great risk by having sex outside of marriage, because they could get pregnant and would either have to have the baby or have to go to great trouble to get an abortion. As recently as the 1950's, the "shotgun wedding" -- a thing to be avoided -- was a huge cultural phenomenon in the U.S. In such an environment, women could not afford to risk having sex with a man just because he was attractive, because then she could end up being stuck with an unwanted kid and an unwanted husband. Likewise, men were under social pressure to not "take advantage" of women, but men being men... the burden fell more on women to avoid such encounters.

The relevance to Estonia and the Eastern Bloc countries more generally is that the Soviet Union in some ways froze you in time culturally. To this day your countries are much more conservative culturally than western Europe or the U.S. Also, amplifying that, I think it was hard to get contraceptives and abortions during the Soviet era: https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/12283401/ which would have helped keep the lid on casual flings.

That's my take at least. So your culture is delayed, but it might yet catch up.


You're spot on, Dan. Contraceptives just weren't something that people did even back in the late 80s, early 90s. I am one result of it. Women that want casual sex here are mentally gone, haha. TBH it was never my natural inclination to marry, but it seemed like the only sensible thing to do if you wanted easy access to sex and don't want to bang derelicts with the risk of getting infections. Rates of HIV are some of the highest in Europe.
https://news.err.ee/...gnosed-with-hiv
https://en.wikipedia..._Europe#Estonia

It says in the 2nd link that the high rate is due to some error, but our next door neighbor Latvia also has a very high rate, so I doubt we're that different. Estonia's always lying about these things & obfuscating in order to attract investment into the country. I'm in an expats group on Facebook and everyone's always so shocked that this isn't Sweden or Finland, and people have to explain that yes, you got conned...

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View PostImmanuelCunt, on 23 February 2021 - 02:47 AM, said:

You're spot on, Dan. Contraceptives just weren't something that people did even back in the late 80s, early 90s. I am one result of it. Women that want casual sex here are mentally gone, haha. TBH it was never my natural inclination to marry, but it seemed like the only sensible thing to do if you wanted easy access to sex and don't want to bang derelicts with the risk getting infections. Rates of HIV are some of the highest in Europe.

Because when a woman marries, all traces of HIV are erased from her bloodstream?
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View PostImmanuelCunt, on 23 February 2021 - 01:15 AM, said:

Yeah, pretty much. I also don't get this American idea of "chads". Like super good looking men who basically don't have to do anything and women just jump on them at every turn. That doesn't happen here, haha. We don't have this nerd culture either, you are deemed socially acceptable if you're good looking and have good grades, which increases your future earning potential since Estonia isn't dominant in sports or in any way besides tech basically. I had to hear from American women that I was apparently handsome. I won't say where my wife is from, but she basically wanted to fly over to meet me after 2 days of talking. Her friends came to make sure she wasn't kidnapped (it was considered a weird move by her social circle) and when they saw me, it was like, "oh, I get it now". You have to understand how truly unusual it was to be desired merely for my looks, and not for anything else. OK - I guess people online also appreciate the way I talk/write. IRL no one cares ever. JUST BRING HOME THE BACON DADDY AND STFU.


As a mexican, I can relate to this so much. People are more worried about getting money and trying to live not in poverty than looks. Also trying to get out of the narcos way.
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View PostFox, on 23 February 2021 - 03:06 AM, said:

Thread split, find the rest of the discussion here:


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View PostForge, on 22 February 2021 - 10:39 AM, said:

Marzena Godecki, September 28, 1978
1st episode of Ocean Girl aired: 29 August 1994
(probably took a few months to film and produce before it aired)

that would make her 15 for the 1st few episodes & 16 for the rest of the season & into the second season.


Technically the first season was shooting in 1992, the same year as she was acting as "Marlene/beautifull girl" in another australian show "Round The Twist" with both Jeffrey Walker and Joelene Crnogorac
and the 2nd season just right after, so when 1st season was airing both season 1 and 2 were wrapped (and Jonathan M. Shiff covered in debts and hoping it would find massive success, and future was going to prove he was so right)...

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gemeaux333, how old are you?
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View Postgemeaux333, on 23 February 2021 - 09:37 AM, said:

Technically the first season was shooting in 1992

i'm not infatuated with some teen girl; I didn't invest that much time in researching the show's creation.
So that would make her 13 to 14 during the first couple of seasons. Probably still legal somewhere - maybe some middle eastern or african muslim nations.
Hard pass on looking up the other shows you mentioned where she might even be younger.

Not really helping yourself out, but at least your honest about your addiction

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View PostBalls of Steel Forever, on 21 February 2021 - 05:46 PM, said:

Article 120b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (10 U.S.C. § 920b), to which essentially only members of the United States Armed Services and enemy prisoners of war are subject, defines the age of consent as sixteen years but allows an exemption for people who are married to minors 12–15 years old. There is also a mistake-in-age defense if the minor is over 12, but not if the minor is under 12.


Why the hell should a western country recognise a marriage performed to a twelve year old?

View PostBalls of Steel Forever, on 21 February 2021 - 05:46 PM, said:

And I think the age of consent should be 18.
with a 2 year range, lower or higher.


By this do you mean both criteria has to be met or just one or the other?
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