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My wishful thinking - Duke Nukem 3D remake

User is offline   Nfsfan83 

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Guys, I just start this topic, for fun and maybe for nspiration to someone in the future, write about my wishful thinking - Duke Nukem 3D remake.

I think about it, for last days a lot. I love retro fps games from 90's to let's say about 2007. But If I think about Duke Nukem 3D remake I got only few engine to use it for that. One of the most retro feeling with nice possibilities is Half Life engine, in goldsource version. I write more about my ideas later but watch this:



This topic is for all dreamers who still believe in nice Duke Nukem 3D remake in retro feeling grapfhics ;)

This post has been edited by Nfsfan83: 24 November 2020 - 05:54 AM

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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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You are nowhere near the first.

There was a mod called Cataclysm that was made on the goldsrc engine. It was shut down over copyright fears.
https://www.moddb.co...clysm-prototype
The files are uploaded to moddb.

This is a great source version of Hollywood Holocaust:


Lots of fun in Deathmatch. Not sure it would be a good basis for a future Duke mod.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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I'd suggest you go ahead and crush your own dream, for it will be crushed regardless.
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I'm wondering if these remake guys can see beyond Hollywood Holocaust (which had countless remakes on various engines, including "rethinked" version in the Build, and all of them were meh at best).... the game has its weirdo maps that are hard to see on modern engines (ie. Tier Drops, Lunatic Fringe, or even stuff like Movie Set or XXX Stacy). I would love to see a remake actually, but done by those who created the original game, and with a very sensitive approach. Since modern engines like Unity asks for more detailed levels and proper 3D instead of SOS trick, it would eventually end up something very different to what we saw in 1996, something that was done with Serious Duke 3D and for the end result, a disappointment. I still think the best what they can do is to refine the Build engine, adding some abandoned stuff like the drills, the escalators, the space suits, the original burning effect, the organic turret enemy, and create more episodes in the style of the original ones, AND in addition they create a new Duke game in the spirit of the original (not another DNF).

This post has been edited by The Watchtower: 25 November 2020 - 12:43 AM

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User is offline   Nfsfan83 

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#Jimmy - I know is my, like I wrote, only wishful thtinking. But shitty gearbox block any try of making Duke Remake so, maybe they not block our words.

I'm so pissed, too on 3d realms they ruined the best DNF visions - version of 2001. It was so perfect, looks amazing on Unreal Engine 1:



#Tea Monster Am I understand good that gearbox block any things what is called DN3D remake even if is it free mod etc?

Duke Nukem 3D, Turok Dinosaur Hunter PC and Half Life 1 - for me is 3 best fps games of 90's. I love games with real weapons models, I try and collected it to HL1.

You can see videos here: https://forums.duke4...n-movies-style/

More guns mor fun :) HL games are still best moded game series. There is mod called brutal HL - shooting effects like DN3D when RPG hit enemy. Some guys of you can write, that nice remake can be only good on modern engine like example Unreal Engine 4. Honestly for me is it to ... modern... I hate new effects - blur motion, bloom, hdr and many more.
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User is offline   Mark 

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View PostThe Watchtower, on 25 November 2020 - 12:40 AM, said:

I'm wondering if these remake guys can see beyond Hollywood Holocaust (which had countless remakes on various engines, including "rethinked" version in the Build, and all of them were meh at best).... the game has its weirdo maps that are hard to see on modern engines (ie. Tier Drops, Lunatic Fringe, or even stuff like Movie Set or XXX Stacy). I would love to see a remake actually, but done by those who created the original game, and with a very sensitive approach. Since modern engines like Unity asks for more detailed levels and proper 3D instead of SOS trick, it would eventually end up something very different to what we saw in 1996, something that was done with Serious Duke 3D and for the end result, a disappointment. I still think the best what they can do is to refine the Build engine, adding some abandoned stuff like the drills, the escalators, the space suits, the original burning effect, the organic turret enemy, and create more episodes in the style of the original ones, AND in addition they create a new Duke game in the spirit of the original (not another DNF).

We differ greatly in what a remake should be. You want more of the same. Basically just new user maps. I want something shiny and different. A break away from the tired old same thing. A compromise I could agree with would be to at the very least get rid of the current monsters and all sound FX. Those are what I am tired of the most after all these years. Maybe pay homage to them with a small cameo appearance.

This post has been edited by Mark: 25 November 2020 - 05:34 AM

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View PostMark, on 25 November 2020 - 05:29 AM, said:

We differ greatly in what a remake should be. You want more of the same. Basically just new user maps. I want something shiny and different. A break away from the tired old same thing. A compromise I could agree with would be to at the very least get rid of the current monsters and all sound FX. Those are what I am tired of the most after all these years. Maybe pay homage to them with a small cameo appearance.



Well, my english is far from perfect, so may I express myself again: "AND in addition they create a new Duke game in the spirit of the original (not another DNF)"

I have a longer post in the grave now about this in another thread when I said I don't like shiny new modern games, but I don't insist to Build Engine's limited technology either. I would love to see something that genuinely has the spirit of Duke 3D, ie. actual levels with geometry and some nonlinearity, proper weapon selection, monsters that can be properly seen on the screen (and they look different to each other, and don't make you thinking "is this the enforcer now or just the liztroop"... but at the same time I'm in for proper 3D model and even true 3D engine. Just stick to the roots.

So no, not usermaps.

This post has been edited by The Watchtower: 25 November 2020 - 07:44 AM

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User is online   Sanek 

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View PostThe Watchtower, on 25 November 2020 - 12:40 AM, said:

the game has its weirdo maps that are hard to see on modern engines (ie. Tier Drops, Lunatic Fringe, or even stuff like Movie Set or XXX Stacy).

Lunatic Fringe and Tier Drops would be a perfect map to be remade in a game like Prey (2005)! That game have tons of unique tricks with it's D3 engine, that's lhe first game I thought about when I read your post. Too bad that Prey don't have much user-made content in general, so I'm probably a decade-plus late with my suggestion.
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User is offline   Nfsfan83 

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This is very nice and I can called DN3D small remake, but so fantastic ( I don't play yet, just what I see on YT). Many nice things added. But old DN3D feeling still is. So I add more guns will be Perfect :)



This post has been edited by Nfsfan83: 25 November 2020 - 12:20 PM

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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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The reason we made Hollywood Holocaust for our mod is that it's a small level, it's self-contained, and uses fewer monsters and weapons than other levels. It's also one of the most iconic in that everyone knows immediately what the start of DN3D looks like. So, if you are making one Duke Nukem level and want to be immediately known to be DN3D, then you use HH. Just across from the crate under the Innocent sign, looking back at the cinema. To the entire world's gaming fraternity, THAT is Duke Nukem 3D.

As to Duke Nukem 3D: I love it. A quarter of a Century later, and I'm still obsessing over this stupid game. I do feel 'played out' a lot of the time. I want something different. Serious Duke was great as a proof of concept, but I wanted to do something else with it, not just remake Duke 3D. New monsters, new enemies and situations. I love DN3D, but after 25 years, I really want something else now. Sadly, with Gearbox fixated on other things, it looks like fans will have to make their own sequel. It won't be Duke Nukem 3D with funky graphics, it will be it's own thing, and that is as it should be. That is if they can get enough people in one area to agree to a work schedule for more than a month or two. I have neither the time or the inclination to do so, though I have messed around with Unreal here and there.

@Nfsfan83 - From what we can see now, Gearbox won't pursue you as long as you don't try to present your work as official and/or try to make money from it. Serious Duke 3D has been motoring on fine for years and as far as I know, nobody has bothered them.

That link isn't working. I 'replied' to get the full link. Lol, it's our Hollywood Holocaust Rethinked mod!

This post has been edited by Tea Monster: 25 November 2020 - 12:57 PM

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User is offline   Jimmy 

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View PostMark, on 25 November 2020 - 05:29 AM, said:

We differ greatly in what a remake should be. You want more of the same. Basically just new user maps. I want something shiny and different. A break away from the tired old same thing. A compromise I could agree with would be to at the very least get rid of the current monsters and all sound FX. Those are what I am tired of the most after all these years. Maybe pay homage to them with a small cameo appearance.

Do you even understand what the word remake means? LMAO. A remake IS more of the same. Sounds like you want a sequel.
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User is offline   Mark 

#12

remake...
verb
/rēˈmāk/
make (something) again or differently.

But yeah, sequel could also describe what I would want.

This post has been edited by Mark: 25 November 2020 - 03:38 PM

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User is offline   Jimmy 

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No, dude. If it's not following the original game it is not a remake. Don't be [REDACTED].
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User is offline   Mark 

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By the very definition of "remake" shown in my previous post, I am correct.

For instance. A remake of the movie "The Blob" was made. But it had different actors, different props, different locales, different dialog, some different plot changes, different etc....But same overall story. Yet it is still considered a remake. Remakes can be different. Your definition of remake seems to be copy or clone. Go back to school.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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Holy shit you are stupid.
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User is online   Danukem 

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In 2020 Duke can no longer smash pussy but he can still smash your dreams.


I just felt like saying that.
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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The problem is that so much crap has happened. Failed/abandoned projects litter the landscape. All the modelling community, including people with experience with modern engines, have all fled. Either that or they are so fucked off and burned out by bad experiences that they don't want to go anywhere near any of this, as much as they love Duke Nukem as a game idea.
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User is offline   Mark 

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View PostJimmy, on 25 November 2020 - 04:42 PM, said:

Holy shit you are stupid.

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Honestly, all of us are very stupid with our daydreaming threads, because we know Randy won't make anything, no remakes, no sequels, no usermaps, maybe something cheap like Z movie cameo.
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User is offline   Nfsfan83 

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I just discover that Tea Monster is one of authors of Hollywood Holocaust Rethinked mod, and I just want say HUGE RESPECT what You have done. And honestly this is what for me will be great and what I need for fun playing Duke.

Is it only work on polymer mode?

I see You guys add many high poly models but even if models will be max from Q3 models it is all what I need.

When I was making tracks for NFS4 example L.A I spend many hours in street google view to catch screens etc My point is... like in Rethinked mod that was added many things to change a little places to more real, that is only what Duke with HRP and Eduke32 need.

I have many nice ideas but I completly green in 3D modeling. I mean I can make simple box thats all :) but is it crap.

First think, when I yesterday watch YT Rethinked mod I thougt about this inspiration:

Cinema from Last Action Hero

l'Orpheum of Los is inside shoots

https://www.silversc...lastaction.html

It fit to Duke as hell:

front

https://laorpheum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Pulido_fig_39_1.25_R3152x2068-02040_rot_crp-1024x870-1024x768.jpg

Inside:

Imagine how many action and mess can be here :D

https://www.historic...os-Angeles.aspx

https://www.historictheatrephotos.com/Resources/Theatre-Photos/Orpheum-Los-Angeles/Photos/Auditorium_-_Orchestra/Auditorium_From_Stage.jpg

https://www.emporis....-angeles-ca-usa

Like in Black Mesa, make places bigger and better

PS. Find find the differences between Gabe from Valve and Randy from gearbox?

Randy is a**hole :) Gabe allow bring back to life HL mod called Black Mesa

This post has been edited by Nfsfan83: 26 November 2020 - 05:44 AM

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User is offline   jkas789 

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In a perfect world I would like a Duke Nukem 3D remake to be a well optimized beauty that runs on unreal, has an evergreen aesthetic and takes a few lessons from modern level design and gameplay. So basically to get a Black Mesa/Nu Doom treatment of love and care.

In this hellish world full of regrettable mistakes, I would expect a cheap cash grab by gearbox trying to ape the success of Doom Eternal/Borderlands 3, with the story/dialogue written by the writers of Borderlands 3 and the game censored and toned down to oblivion. Also I expect a hell lot of political activism. So basically a cheapo Nu Doom with a Borderlands 3 coat of paint.

So in summary:

I don't want it. At least, not now.
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 Nfsfan83, on 26 November 2020 - 05:13 AM, said:

Imagine how many action and mess can be here :D

https://www.historic...os-Angeles.aspx

https://www.historictheatrephotos.com/Resources/Theatre-Photos/Orpheum-Los-Angeles/Photos/Auditorium_-_Orchestra/Auditorium_From_Stage.jpg

Hmm I don't think the cinema in Hollywood Holocaust is supposed to be so large

This looks closer to the original

https://i.imgur.com/4d5LrX9.png
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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The theater in Hollywood Holocaust is literally a place for people to jack off to porn.
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Bigger can be better unless you're talking about giant Serious Sam-style arenas. Hate that in almost every game besides SS.
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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 Nfsfan83, on 26 November 2020 - 05:13 AM, said:

I just discover that Tea Monster is one of authors of Hollywood Holocaust Rethinked mod, and I just want say HUGE RESPECT what You have done. And honestly this is what for me will be great and what I need for fun playing Duke.


Thanks.

 Nfsfan83, on 26 November 2020 - 05:13 AM, said:

Is it only work on polymer mode?


It was designed to work in Polymer. You can run it in Polymost, but it will be a disaster. The whole design brief was "How far can you push Polymer to look like Unreal?" At the time, we were under the impression that Gearbox would sue you if you used something else. This turned out not to be the case. If I'd known then what I know now, I'd have used Unreal. Eduke is fa good port, but polymer has loads of issues and if you want something that is like unreal, then use unreal. The only real issue with unreal is that all the engine-side stuff you need to set up first. Modding an existing game, like Cataclysm did for Half Life, is good in that you get all the shooting and game mechanics for free. Otherwise you have to set them up from scratch. Writing enemy AI is a bitch, so I've been told. Something like Cataclysm, but updated to Source or Source 2 would be great (Black Mesa TC?). Failing that, Serious Duke 3D, which is OK on the Serious Sam engine, but the engine still looks good, you have all your game mechanics already set up with a 'Duke' look and feel. You could take that and start making your own levels right away and not have to spend ages TCing your target platform. It would all depend on what the team was comfortable doing, how many people they had and what those people's expertise was.

If we still had a modelling crew, it would be a lot easier. Sadly they have all gone, or there is history between them so that they don't want to work together anymore.

You could do it all in EDuke and Polymost. There is nothing to stop anyone from using Polymost and doing all this stuff in EDuke. You'd need to be carefull about your art style, but it's not impossible. I personally think you'd be better off using something else, but that is JMHO.

 Nfsfan83, on 26 November 2020 - 05:13 AM, said:

I see You guys add many high poly models but even if models will be max from Q3 models it is all what I need.


Feel free to use anything we included in HHR. It was supposed to help kickstart something like you are describing anyway. I uploaded a lot of the source files to github so you can export FBXs with bones from Blender for use in your target engine.

 Nfsfan83, on 26 November 2020 - 05:13 AM, said:

When I was making tracks for NFS4 example L.A I spend many hours in street google view to catch screens etc My point is... like in Rethinked mod that was added many things to change a little places to more real, that is only what Duke with HRP and Eduke32 need.


Yeah, we came up with several ideas to expand out the original Hollywood Hollocaust level, including a subway, a crashed spaceship and other stuff. Started with a copy of the original HH map, and found out that we couldn't really expand it too much without having to start from scratch.
The thing with the HRP was that it was supposed to be a straight recreation of DN3D. Expanding on the original game wasn't what it was about, though again, there is nothing to stop you from creating a new project in EDuke32, using HRP assets as a base and building something new like you described.

 Nfsfan83, on 26 November 2020 - 05:13 AM, said:

First think, when I yesterday watch YT Rethinked mod I thougt about this inspiration:

Cinema from Last Action Hero

l'Orpheum of Los is inside shoots
*snip*


All that looks great and would be a good project for a mod. You just need to get people together and start making it. A Black Mesa TC? Unreal project? A mapping project for Serious Duke 3D? Any of these are possible. The problem is that everyone here has gone through too much BS to care any more. The others have left and haven't come back. Everyone outside thinks that they are going to get a C&D if they start something. Good luck!
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User is offline   Nfsfan83 

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#Tea Monster Am I right, that in this what You wrote there isn't any faith that we can make DN3D better? I know gearbox shut down any try of making remake, but HRP still can be developed :)

So If remake like all new things is impossible. We must improve DN3D with HRP best as can possible. I need few talented people to do it ( I can make textures )

DN3D 2021

First for me is biggest priority is:

Add more weapons two versions - sprites and 3D models:

Key 2: Colt 1911 double (replace glock), Desert Eagle Silver, Double Mac-10 (ammo for Colt 1911)

Key 3. Spas 12 (with 2 mode - pump and automatic like real),

Key 4. M16M203 (alternate shoot granade), M60 and Minigun (Predator version with handle) - all this same ammo 5,56 mm

Key 5. RPG, AT4 and M202 (shoot one be one, all 4 rockets), Grande Launcher like in Shadow Warrior
or Duke N64 but real MM1 Hawk model



Panzerfaust 3 with Duke Nuclar Logo on rocket :) and with expolosion effects big Nuke mushroom !!!

https://i.imgur.com/bTeqwZc.jpg

Key 9. Half Life satchel charge

Key 0: Flamthrower M2

We can use many mode what I collect for HL and OP4. Many of these models only need one sreen shoot
with nice position like RPH, M60 etc

What do You guys think? I love cool weapons models in game. Real models ;)

This post has been edited by Nfsfan83: 26 November 2020 - 10:56 AM

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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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#27

Uhhhh.

No. What I said was that you can do whatever you want.
People thought they'd get C&D'd, that looks not to be a problem now. Serious Duke 3D hasn't had any problems (that they told me about anyway).
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User is offline   Nfsfan83 

#28

But is it anyone here, who can know how to do it? and can help me, only with guns?

Ps. What mean C&D'? copyright and delete?

This post has been edited by Nfsfan83: 26 November 2020 - 11:33 AM

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User is offline   howerton 

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C&D = Cease and Desist
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User is offline   Nfsfan83 

#30

#Fox and #Jimmy so maybe I exaggerated a bit with size of cinema, I never be in L.A cinema so I ever know that is something like porno cinemas ;)

One thing:

I like Unreal 2 game and UE2 it looks great one of better levels is Drakk Homeworld:



I more like UE2 than UE3

Aliens feeling is huge, this can be can be great inspiration for last part of Episode 4 - The Birth - spaceship

This post has been edited by Nfsfan83: 27 November 2020 - 05:24 AM

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