[Jimmy]

Balls of Steel Forever, on 16 December 2021 - 01:01 PM, said:

Congratulations you are now an anarcho-communist, who believes power should be handled directly by the people at the local level.

This is a fantasy that cannot be attained. Anarcho-Capitalism is the natural state and order of man.

Futa Orc, on 16 December 2021 - 01:21 PM, said:

It's funny you said that because I was writing a post where I essentially envisioned this as my ideal life. I went into a little more detail but meh, who cares about that.

The only problem is that while philosophically the idea is good and maybe even "correct", in real world application the problem is "Where do you go?" There is no place you can go. The only answer is given to you at the end of Escape from LA by way of uncle Teddy K.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Jimmy, on 16 December 2021 - 01:35 PM, said:

The only problem is that while philosophically the idea is good and maybe even "correct", in real world application the problem is "Where do you go?" There is no place you can go. The only answer is given to you at the end of Escape from LA by way of uncle Teddy K.

Pretty much man. Gotta Durden it or just kill yourself. I have no options except angrily ranting online. The few people I tried to contact with to do something "greater" have turned out to be more crazy than I anticipated or flaked out before actually meeting me IRL. Lol I met a dude recently from a right wing group on FB who wanted me to fuck his wife. Seems a lot of perverts hide in those communities. Not the first time I've been hit on when I go and make a lot of noise. People always expect me to be some dumb lunkhead from the way I look, but then when I start talking they kinda expect me to lead them somewhere. Same shit that happened to me in the army. I have nowhere to lead people to, except the bedroom apparently.

Sangman, on 16 December 2021 - 01:26 PM, said:

So would you be a gunner or a farmer, assuming you can't be both in this scenario

I think able-bodied men would have to take on both roles. I don't want some weird caste system to develop.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Futa Orc, on 16 December 2021 - 01:52 PM, said:

Lol I met a dude recently from a right wing group on FB who wanted me to fuck his wife.

Was it me?
I'm not right wing, nor do I have a wife.

But that sounds like something I might say, I would just dress up and pretend to be my non existent wife though.

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I think able-bodied men would have to take on both roles. I don't want some weird caste system to develop.

I agree all able bodied men and women should be pitchers and catchers, and we can all definitely risk getting omicron and other diseases by making a polycule in a 1 bedroom apartment.

Spoiler

See what I did

[Avenger]

[Aristotle Gumball]

[Forge]

Jimmy, on 16 December 2021 - 12:32 PM, said:

Congratulations, you are now an anarcho-capitalist. The monopoly of violence should be reverted back to the Individual, rather than the Collective.

I'd say 'welcome to the club', but that implies a nebulous organization which would impose some kind of collective order. Thus I'd be accused of being an anarcho-communist and disposed of before I started employing thugs to force my will onto others.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I agree with Rothbard where he lays out his concept of self-ownership, but privatizing everything brings its own set of problems. I think I'm just not a fan of large scale societies. Too many people you don't know/don't agree with. My ideal society would extend outward from the family unit and cease once it becomes too difficult to keep track of people (IIRC the Amish set off to form a new community every time they reach 200 people or so?) So in my "fantasy", it's basically a small town where everyone comes with their own set of skills and pledges to help out others when/if the need arises, which also includes the use of their private property. All voluntarily of course. If one person is being a cunt trying to hoard everything, you kick them out. Have some kind of town meeting once a week/month to figure out larger issues that might require coordination, but a lot can be done through the internet as well assuming there's still a power grid.

Perhaps some limited form of engagement with the "free market" can occur, by selling produced goods & services (like the Amish), etc, but always with the goal of using the funds for the town.

No leadership as such, which probably will require ideological committal to maintain. Everyone's gotta act like they're an equal partner in this.

Tbh there's no need to reinvent the wheel here since there are so many examples of thriving small scale communities out there, religious or otherwise. Can use them as an example to construct your own version. Just uh, near impossible to actually get people involved. I actually don't know how you can without a religious motivation. Most atheists are too narcissistic or intellectually dishonest.

If I have to live in a large scale society like a country, though, I prefer the actual state apparatus to be minimal but present. So I guess I'm closer to a minarchist who also likes "free" health care and education.

These things get so complicated honestly. There's no single theory (for me) that can be applied to every situation. I just think most countries have way too much baggage that ties you down, so it's not even worth theorizing that much about what would be ideal when you've got millions of people that are all meant to get along under one banner. I basically don't think that can ever happen. Of course, a smaller unit of social organization always risks threats from outside forces, but then, why the fuck do so many of these religious groups survive for hundreds of years? People don't much mind them it seems.

[Jimmy]

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of Earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals." - C.S. Lewis

For this reason, living under monarchy is preferable to democracy. Democratic forms of government end up destroying the human social hierarchy. Once large sectors of the population do not have a God nor a King to fear, you see the very plague beset upon the West today: Humans that are convinced they are or can become King of Kings, God Himself.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Eh, I mean I see your point, but I wouldn't wanna live under a monarchy either. The problem is one of scale. There was a documentary I once saw that claimed that vengeful gods appeared in the historical record once cities reached 100 000 inhabitants for the first time (Edit: was off by a zero). They uncovered some ruins that had a red eye painted everywhere, as if to signal that people are watching even as you're not being directly observed. God is a method of control through brainwashing. And it makes perfect sense, right, but I don't wanna be one of those plebs who has to be kept in control. I don't think you're a man if you do.

But being one among equals is only possible so long as people can be kept in check through direct observation, and confrontation if needed. Also goes back to what I said about the family unit being the basis for the broader society. We all practice a limited form of communism within our families. We share with the ones we love and we strive for some kind of equality. The problem is when you have to share with people you don't know or don't care to know, especially if you're compelled by a government you didn't elect or have no reasonable way of communicating with. I don't mind paying a tax or helping out others with services/use of property if I know them and like them, and it's out of my own free will. But it's impossible to know everyone in a giant metropolis.

So that's when AI algorithms and vast security systems come into play. If we no longer believe in a god, then it becomes necessary to invent one (Deus Ex style). Fuck that too!

[Jimmy]

Which is why I said Snake Plissken was right.

[Hank]

US Military Begins Purging The Unvaxxed
https://www.thegatew...nclusion-logos/
In short, the military is supposed to be gay and what not supportive and fully vaxxed, so they can die on friendly soil with one of, I counted, 15,104 possible adverse reactions.
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(Scientist established, transmission of virus occurs 2’-6” above surface)

It’s old, I know, but I was reminded on it, while walking around a bit. Huge line-up for the covid shots. Everyone in masks, outdoors, some children no older than 10. All I thought is Oh, this is double plus good - only 36 years off the mark. Sheep will be sheep even when lining up to the slaughter house.

[jkas789]

This thread has derailed and degenerated beautifully. I’m reading shit about monarchy and anarcho whatever. I need another bag of popcorn.

[Jimmy]

Everything is everything.

[Forge]

imagine not being able to correlate authoritarian governments using an engineered emergency in order to grab more power and wealth.

it worked so well after 9/11. how quickly people gave up a piece of freedom for a little bit of a false sense of security.

don't forget that they are also employing blm, antifa, tech corporations acting as publishers with impunity, and teachers pushing crt in order to outrage people into giving up even more freedoms.
Give the government the reigns to shut things down that you don't like, and you give them authority to shut everything down that they don't like.

[jkas789]

Forge, on 19 December 2021 - 08:27 AM, said:

imagine not being able to correlate authoritarian governments using an engineered emergency in order to grab more power and wealth.

it worked so well after 9/11. how quickly people gave up a piece of freedom for a little bit of a false sense of security.

don't forget that they are also employing blm, antifa, tech corporations acting as publishers with impunity, and teachers pushing crt in order to outrage people into giving up even more freedoms.
Give the government the reigns to shut things down that you don't like, and you give them authority to shut everything down that they don't like.

I don't know Forge. I think I have been clear on past posts my stance about the pandemic, the government porking going on and how I don't like lockdowns. I just don't think talking around in circles does any good. I don't think I have anything more to add to this conversation honestly. Hence the watch the show.

I suppose I could add that personally and given the direction my country is going thanks to the donkey fucker on the helm, I am trying to prepare economically for when the shit hits the fan or if there is another lockdown. Also yes, I'm also looking for a ranch somewhere far from civilization and a gun in case I can't get out of here. Who knows, maybe the democratic system will prove me wrong. But I think our cases are not exactly 1:1.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I don't think Forge was specifically addressing you. Sometimes I think he's talking directly to me, but instead it's some kind of general statement. You know how old people get.

[Forge]

i live in authoritarian washington state. the socialist asshole in charge constantly passes legislation that lines his own pockets; and the pink haired plebs in seattle love all the free drugs, free cheese, rent-free public-land tent cities, and decriminalization of everything. One gets free money from the taxpayers, the other gets a free-ride escape from reality on the back of the tax payers. They both get along swimmingly.

But that's seattle.

I don't live in seattle.

I live in small-town.

Local elections matter.

We can't do much about state enforced sales tax, other than charging the minimum, but our mayor gives zero fucks about the fake emergency. There are no mandatory masks here. Non-state funded places of employment can't invade your private medical history, so there are no mandatory vaxx passports. School board members can't 'ban' statewide mandatory crt bullshit, but they refuse to teach it, or let cross-dressing pedos into schools to read propaganda and use the little girls bathroom. Our local sheriff is elected and well funded.
We could just as easily decide to give in to the authoritarian bullshit & give up our freedoms for some free stuff and false comforts.

[Jimmy]

jkas789, on 19 December 2021 - 09:41 AM, said:

a gun

That's not enough.

[Aristotle Gumball]

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=large

Who Collins & Fauci consider fringe:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

[MC84]

Thrice Cursed, on 19 December 2021 - 10:35 PM, said:

Who Collins & Fauci consider fringe:

I gotta laugh at that term 'fringe' - assuming the mainstream is the centre, any new information will always travel via the fringes first before assimilating into the mainstream..

[Forge]

invest in a set of 'sunglasses' that have a chip reader built into the frame, so you will know who 'they' are when they live near you

Tech company develops microchip implanted in the body that stores a COVID-19 vaccine passport so it’s ‘always accessible’
https://whitehousewi...ays-accessible/

[Hank]

^ from the article:
The ‘conspiracy theorists’ were right again.

[Sangman]

Sounds like it's just another option to show the passport. Just like you can now show your documentation on paper and nobody forces you to use a phone, I doubt anyone will force a microchip on you. Inb4 "they're already forcing vax so they will force the chip". Maybe. Who knows.

I think starting with that kind of stuff is proper dystopian but if someone wants that option, go nuts I guess.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Swedish startup Epicenter unveils rice-sized microchip implant that stores your COVID vaccine passport under your skin and is read with technology used to take contactless payments

[Jimmy]

Sangman, on 20 December 2021 - 10:33 AM, said:

Sounds like it's just another option to show the passport. Just like you can now show your documentation on paper and nobody forces you to use a phone, I doubt anyone will force a microchip on you. Inb4 "they're already forcing vax so they will force the chip". Maybe. Who knows.

I think starting with that kind of stuff is proper dystopian but if someone wants that option, go nuts I guess.

New York Assembly Bill A416
2021-2022 Legislative Session
Relates to the removal of cases, contacts and carriers of communicable diseases who are potentially dangerous to the public health

[Sangman]

I've read the thing and I can certainly hazard a guess as to what your argument is by quoting that. Often I find that when I'm trying to read into what people are implying, I get a hostile reaction. So I'd rather have you tell me your opinion directly..

[Jimmy]

I didn't write it. It exists outside of my opinion.

[Sangman]

So I falsely assumed you were making a point when quoting that in response to my post?

[Forge]

Sangman, on 20 December 2021 - 10:33 AM, said:

Sounds like it's just another option to show the passport. Just like you can now show your documentation on paper and nobody forces you to use a phone, I doubt anyone will force a microchip on you. Inb4 "they're already forcing vax so they will force the chip". Maybe. Who knows.

I think starting with that kind of stuff is proper dystopian but if someone wants that option, go nuts I guess.

here's to you living long enough to eat this post with your daily ration of little green crackers

[Avenger]