[Sangman]

It seems like you're on of the too many people who are taking Yahtzee way too seriously. His reviews are not meant to be actual reviews, even if there mostly is an element of truth to them. It's just something to have a laugh with it. Sounds like you got offended by it somehow. Also what part makes you say that he had to do more homework concerning DNF? While a bit 'ridiculized' perhaps it's quite spot-on.. the references to how irrealistically interactive DNF was going to be, the fans who found it injust and tragic,...

Also Prince of India? He always said Prince of Persia, I never heard him say that.

[dino]

Seems you and I share not the same sense of humor obviously.

I didn't get offended, I just can't laugh about incorrect made up stuff when everyone else knows the facts. It's not comedy is making a fool out of yourself, so I might be laughing at him for being such an epic fail - yes I think there I would have a base.
I was talking about him not doing his homework in general, one funny line doesn't make your work good. You can't make fun about something you have never seen. You can make fun about the development time but considering the changes which had been conducted the actual development time didn't seem longer than for Starcraft for example, or most other Blizzard games for that matter - yet are we making fun of them? NO, because we all like great games and real gamers don't give a shit about a development time of 5 years if the game is going to be an epic experience.

Only casual gamers want games to be pumped out on a half-yearly basis. because the previous installment was so shallow and boring and dull that you can play it once and once only, every replay would lead to an epileptic shock-like state where you puke out your giblets while repeatedly stabbing yourself in the face with a skrewdriver (slight exaggeration)

About the Prince of India reference in my post, listen to the "review" again carefully. You'll figure it out - also if you know how certain accents sound like while speaking english it will be obvious to you

[Sangman]

 dino, on Jun 3 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

I didn't get offended, I just can't laugh about incorrect made up stuff when everyone else knows the facts.

But incorrect made up stuff is what jokes usually are, while still having an element of truth to them. That's why I find satirical jokes to be very funny, if done well.

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You can't make fun about something you have never seen.

Sure you can. If you're being humorous and not writing an actual review.

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You can make fun about the development time but considering the changes which had been conducted the actual development time didn't seem longer than for Starcraft for example, or most other Blizzard games for that matter - yet are we making fun of them? NO, because we all like great games and real gamers don't give a shit about a development time of 5 years if the game is going to be an epic experience.

Wrong - we're not making fun of them because.. Blizzart actually released their games and didn't go bankrupt after 11 years of working on a single title.

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Only casual gamers want games to be pumped out on a half-yearly basis. because the previous installment was so shallow and boring and dull that you can play it once and once only, every replay would lead to an epileptic shock-like state where you puke out your giblets while repeatedly stabbing yourself in the face with a skrewdriver (slight exaggeration)

No idea what you're talking about here.

[Redcard]

I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of people saying "Well, it REALLY was only 3 years, not 12."

Restarting the project only proves mismanagement and horrible allocation of resources, and likely bad spec. It doesn't mean we should let them off cause they started over. They started over because they screwed up. If they didn't screw up, they wouldn't have needed to start over.

They took 12 years on one title, and had nothing to show for it. That's the end result. It doesn't matter how many times they "restarted."

[dino]

 Sangman, on Jun 3 2009, 04:51 AM, said:

But incorrect made up stuff is what jokes usually are, while still having an element of truth to them. That's why I find satirical jokes to be very funny, if done well.

if you are imagining something or if you're playing something like you do in sitcoms or movies that might apply, but if you have an actual product and you try to talk about it then you should keep your facts straight. You can be funny without lying, incompetence or being illiterate.

 Sangman, on Jun 3 2009, 04:51 AM, said:

Sure you can. If you're being humorous and not writing an actual review.

That whole concept is very weird to even think about. How can you talk about something you've no clue about or you've never seen? Making fun about 3DRealms is one thing, but about the game? Well I don't know it's just beyond me.

 Sangman, on Jun 3 2009, 04:51 AM, said:

Wrong - we're not making fun of them because.. Blizzart actually released their games and didn't go bankrupt after 11 years of working on a single title.

Even Blizzard did not release all games they've announced, there was an announced game about the tales of the orcs from warcraft which never saw the light of day and very few know of it. Sure you can make fun about the whole publicity behind the game but that was pretty much fan driven. About the whole "being bankrupt and cancellation of DNF" - We currently have not enough info to be certain. Yes it is most likely that the project is scrapped but the IP is still there and it seems Apogee still holds it as they will bring Duke Nukem Trilogy. I think we all look forward to tomorrow to get some more insight on the whole case between Agogee Ltd. and Take2.

 Sangman, on Jun 3 2009, 04:51 AM, said:

No idea what you're talking about here.

Was talking about development time of games and how all of the sudden everyone tries to jump the bandwagon to rant about longer development times, which clearly is the wrong thing to do.

[dino]

 Redcard, on Jun 3 2009, 06:37 AM, said:

I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of people saying "Well, it REALLY was only 3 years, not 12."

Restarting the project only proves mismanagement and horrible allocation of resources, and likely bad spec. It doesn't mean we should let them off cause they started over. They started over because they screwed up. If they didn't screw up, they wouldn't have needed to start over.

They took 12 years on one title, and had nothing to show for it. That's the end result. It doesn't matter how many times they "restarted."

yes dp but my browser sucks...

anyway, just as I am sick and tired of people demanding to have something in hand just because it has been 12 years. 3DRealms owes you NOTHING. Whenever you start a project you have to live with the risk that it might fail due to difficulties.

You have to look at the different stages of the project and why things happened rather than only fixing on the time.

Was it successful? Of course not! Nobody says that, would you rather have had a bad clone of a random shooter where only the main char is duke'ish? Well I dont. Anyway, doesn't matter much the thing is just that we can't say in which stages the respective builds were or how much we've seen. So we can't comment on that really, we can't even take an educated guess.

I'm looking forward to June 4th - not because I am in denial or think DNF has a future but to learn more about what went down. Even if the game build is around the delay will be huge which will render the current data useless... at least pretty much so on a competitive basis.

[Sangman]

 dino, on Jun 3 2009, 03:46 PM, said:

if you are imagining something or if you're playing something like you do in sitcoms or movies that might apply, but if you have an actual product and you try to talk about it then you should keep your facts straight. You can be funny without lying, incompetence or being illiterate.

Well, where exactly is Yahtzee wrong? During the talk about interactivity he is making stuff up for comedic effect which works well enough if you ask me.. and the stuff about T2 - isn't what he said about that true, albeit simplified?

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That whole concept is very weird to even think about. How can you talk about something you've no clue about or you've never seen? Making fun about 3DRealms is one thing, but about the game? Well I don't know it's just beyond me.

He's not really talking about the game that much really, all he talks about IIRC (I'd have to watch it again) is that huge interactivity thing that it was supposed to have. As for the rest he's mocking 3DR and some of its fans.

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a game which never saw the light of day and very few know of it.

This is why it's not comparable to DNF.

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Was talking about development time of games and how all of the sudden everyone tries to jump the bandwagon to rant about longer development times, which clearly is the wrong thing to do.

Which bandwagon, which rants?

[Danukem]

I enjoy Yahtzee's caustic, fast talking witty style, and I tend to agree with the sort of complaints he has about modern games in general (like forcing the player to watch scripted scenes or do other boring things). What he says about the games is exaggerated and distorted, but that's part of his humorous style. You can actually get good information about games from his reviews, but you have to know how to interpret what he says and be aware of his biases (which isn't difficult since he is very open about them).

[Thndr]

 DeeperThought, on Jun 3 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

be aware of his biases (which isn't difficult since he is very open about them).

Like the one where he thinks everything is shit on the wii?

Personally I want him to review The Conduit once he is able. Just to see what he says. I know he'll probably find something wrong with it, and poke at it with an acid laden stick, but I'm still going to buy and most likely enjoy the game anyway.

That and why trust reviewers in the first place? They rated Bionic Commando average, and said that it was an ok game, when I in fact think the game is fucking awesome. Granted the invisible radiation death cloud can get annoying at times...

[Tea Monster]

Sangman, on Jun 3 2009, 04:07 AM, said:

It seems like you're on of the too many people who are taking Yahtzee way too seriously...

How on Earth do you take Zero Punctuation seriously?

Oh, and they may have spent 3 years making that version, but we've been waiting 12 years.

[PokeThePower]

dino, on Jun 3 2009, 05:11 AM, said:

not quite, see if one makes valid points towards a game I will actually discuss it, regardless of my personal preference.

However, I do expect someone who does reviews to do some homework, otherwise - DON'T BOTHER.

You seem to have missed the fact that his content is created for entertainment value, not actual fact filled reviews.

I assure you it takes a *lot* of homework to do what he does.

Edit: Oh hah... there was a second page.

[zchri9]

Wieder, on Jun 3 2009, 03:01 PM, said:

You seem to have missed the fact that his content is created for entertainment value, not actual fact filled reviews.

I assure you it takes a *lot* of homework to do what he does.

Edit: Oh hah... there was a second page.

Zero Punctuation is meant to be funny, not taken literally. I enjoy Zero Punctuation.

@Wieder, Did you get my PM?

[Jimmy]

I find it funny people take it as Yahtzee not liking Duke when he made one of the better Duke mods from the old age.

[Redcard]

dino, on Jun 3 2009, 05:46 AM, said:

That whole concept is very weird to even think about. How can you talk about something you've no clue about or you've never seen? Making fun about 3DRealms is one thing, but about the game? Well I don't know it's just beyond me.

Please.

Duke fans have been talking about how wonderful this game is for the past ten years, and they've never seen it. Every screenshot or trailer that got released after the failure, had people talking again about how great this game was.

Yahtzee IS an industry insider. If anyone has copies of this game in whatever state sitting on their hard drive, it's him. It's more likely that he's actually really played it (or talked to those who have) than we have.

So is it still weird? This entire subforum is based around people talking about something we've no clue about (really) and never actually seen.

[----]

Captain Awesome, on Jun 3 2009, 06:05 PM, said:

I find it funny people take it as Yahtzee not liking Duke when he made one of the better Duke mods from the old age.

Funny in this context is that people like Dino complain about how others should know their facts before speaking.

[Sangman]

When did Yahtzee make the mod in question? His opinion might be different now, you know.

[X-Vector]

dino, on Jun 3 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Seems you and I share not the same sense of humor obviously.

Obviously.



That one more up your alley?

[Kathy]

Fawlty Towers hater? Burn him!

[dino]

 Redcard, on Jun 4 2009, 05:22 AM, said:

Please.

Duke fans have been talking about how wonderful this game is for the past ten years, and they've never seen it. Every screenshot or trailer that got released after the failure, had people talking again about how great this game was.

Yahtzee IS an industry insider. If anyone has copies of this game in whatever state sitting on their hard drive, it's him. It's more likely that he's actually really played it (or talked to those who have) than we have.

So is it still weird? This entire subforum is based around people talking about something we've no clue about (really) and never actually seen.

Some might have done that, but then they pretty much mocked themselves. The footage looked decent but no one can judge from a dev video or some screens.

Makes it even worse, however you never know who has seen more of a title and who hasn't.

Not exactly the same, the hype started with Duke3D and upon announcement of a successor people got excited, made forums to gather people that liked previous installments and are equally looking forward to a new adventure. People going around and saying this game IS great are not really taken seriously, however people saying that the title had potential are. Whenever you have a fanbase of a franchise you have the "die hard" ones that will literally devour every single piece of info and get hyped even more and then there are those that want the cold facts and judge the game like any other.

 fuegerstef, on Jun 4 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Funny in this context is that people like Dino complain about how others should know their facts before speaking.

generally speaking, not focused on his DNF "review" ... nvm tho

X-Vector said:

That one more up your alley?

So people that do not share the same humour as you are uncool?

grow up please


Whats the big deal, some like his "entertaining" and some don't. whats the big deal? You rant about the very thing you are yourself - faaanboooi xD

[Jimmy]

 Sangman, on Jun 4 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

When did Yahtzee make the mod in question? His opinion might be different now, you know.

I doubt it, I mean, if I had a website, and I HATED a character/game I made a mod for, I probably would host it no longer. I'd bet money that Yahtzee is a fan, hence why he made the 'review'. He probably feels the same way all of us do.