Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
So even though you're under fire you still run through the crossfire to kick a Pig-Cops head off, that's badassery.
I'm not going to dispute your subjective opinion of badassery, so I'll respond by asking a question: Given that Duke Nukem's form of badassery is approximately twenty years old, and most gamers have grown up on different types of Badass,
how did you expect people to react?
Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
Duke is funny and offensive, that's the way I like him to be
That's fine, but surely you can understand why a significant percentage of reviewers and players have found the game's humor to be so offensive it was uncomfortable and unfun. There's a meta component to it: someone
wrote the jokes and the point is for us to find it funny.
Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
Not liking a character is not a good enough reason to hate a game
Did you play the same game as I did? The game is
covered in messages that we should intend to not only
like Duke, but
worship him. We see women wanting to throw themselves at him, we see men fainting around him, we see children begging for autographs. Given this setting, and the character winds up being seen as
not likable, why wouldn't you take that into consideration?
Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
, I played GTA San Andreas even though the main character pissed me off because I hate that hip-hop gang culture bullshit.
The difference being, is that none of the GTA games
ever portray the characters as likable people. Vice City makes it regularly clear that Tommy Vercetti is not a likable guy. SA makes it clear that CJ is a common street thug who, for all his talk, is a common street thug. Niko Bellic
tells people in-game that for all his desires to be free of his former violence-and-crime filled life, he knows he'll never have it. The moment he
does begin to think it, one of his loved ones dies as a result of his actions.
Contrast with Duke, who spends a significant percentage of its playtime trying very hard to convince you that Duke is one Bad Ass Warrior Man Who Defines Himself By Large Muscles And Screwing Chicks. In 2011, this isn't the kind of character that your general audience finds impressive. It's the kind of character that
people don't like.
Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
I'm just saying that there seems to be a lot of hate for Duke as a character, you can't possibly believe that DNF deserves a 3?
DNF's average MetaCritic score is
54, so a 3/10 is a low outlier, but nothing drastically so.
Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
There must be something more than the gameplay, graphics, "story" etc.to generate that kind of disgust from these reviewers, it almost sounds personal.
Don't go down the route of conspiracy. The game isn't well liked, for many reasons, and the scores reflect that. There's not some international review cabal behind making DNF's scores drop so low. The
way people have naturally reacted to it has done that. If I may be so bold, I would argue that
you are taking the Personal route with this. A game you're very fond of, and a character you're very fond of, is being absolutely
shellacked.
Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
I don't care too much about the bad reviews, but they are very surprising and anyone else who enjoyed the game will be thinking the same thing. It doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. They are surprising to people who enjoyed the game. The ratings are not surprising for anyone who doesn't enjoy the game.
Ripemanewone, on 16 June 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:
What does it matter thatMaster Chief doesn't like to get his rocks off, how does that make you badass?
Not to turn this into a Duke Vs MC argument, but John is a relatively-quiet soldier whose actions, not his words, justify the way the people in the universe respect him. He was integral to a war effort, but consistently considered himself simply one soldier among many, and many of his successes were on the back of other's efforts. The only monument to John's abilities is a simple 117 scrawled into a memorial.
EDIT: cleaned up some tags.