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No One Lives Forever is coming back it seems

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View PostZaxx, on 25 July 2018 - 06:41 PM, said:

Craig is the best Bond since Connery
To each their own, but I don't agree with this at all, I would still take Connery, Moore, and Brosnan over Craig, I find Craig to be a dull and boring Bond he feels more like Jason Bourne than James Bond.

I agree with Bloodstone being a better Craig based Bond game but even then I couldn't play it more than once, everything I liked about the earlier Bond games was not present, it's mostly move from point A to point B and shooting.

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View PostGrand Admiral Thrawn, on 28 July 2018 - 02:35 AM, said:

To each their own, but I don't agree with this at all, I would still take Connery, Moore, and Brosnan over Craig, I find Craig to be a dull and boring Bond he feels more like Jason Bourne than James Bond.


Off topic, but I kinda agree... Daniel Craig is a too serious bond. Connery and Moore all the way.
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View PostGrand Admiral Thrawn, on 28 July 2018 - 02:35 AM, said:

To each their own, but I don't agree with this at all, I would still take Connery, Moore, and Brosnan over Craig, I find Craig to be a dull and boring Bond he feels more like Jason Bourne than James Bond.

Guess my problem is that I'm too much of a Bond fan. :( If you read the books and you have a concept about how Bond should behave you won't be as forgiving to some portrayals. To me:

- Moore is too funny: you can't even take that character seriously most of the time, I think the Roger Moore movies - and the Roger Moore Bond - made a great disservice to the franchise.
- Brosnan's character is a posh: he's too preoccupied with his looks, he looks flawless in every single shot and other than that he doesn't have much of a character. He's the "looks the part" version of Bond without anything else.
- Lazenby was overly Scottish and boring: sure, Bond is Scottish (ever since Fleming saw Connery in Dr. No: he really liked his portrayal of Bond and Connery was a Scot so Fleming decided that the Bond in the books will be Scottish too :unsure:) but not that much. :(
- I think Dalton was pretty good, hell, I think Licence to Kill is one of the best Bond movies but somehow he didn't work well.

Daniel Craig? That guy's playing James motherfuckin' Bond again just like Connery did. He has a dry sense of humor without coming off as a comedian, he's methodical and tough like Bond is in the books and the "charming superspy" is mostly an act for him, a means to an end while in the case of Brosnan that was most of the character. Look, I know, most of us grew up with Brosnan being Bond but if you look into it he was a pretty bad one (though Moore was the worst without question).
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#34

I think Moore is great in The Spy Who Loved Me, in general I think he's good, the tone of the movies vary. Connery's movies got pretty campy too, Diamonds are Forever is just as cheesy as the cheesiest Moore stuff. In rewatching The Spy Who Loved Me, I found it interesting that Moore's Bond often comes across ice cold, he has a steely gaze a lot of the time, and he's very devil may care and dry. A different take, but I wouldn't say he's a comedian all around, Connery was also big on cracking fun jokes.

I dig giving respect to the books, I really enjoyed The Big Sleep for example over the movie, but for Bond the movies themselves are more so what caused a big cultural sensation. It's okay for it to evolve and change a bit, the movies are more about fun adventure and sex appeal etc than the books which are a bit more dry I gather? So I don't know that book Bond is something they need to stick with 100%. Fleming even changed book Bond because he liked Connery I read.

I loved the first couple Craig movies, especially Casino Royale, but overall the direction of them became a bit of a modern cliche to me. I love The Dark Knight, but I agree with the take that Skyfall was kind of trying to cash-in on the tone of The Dark Knight, especially with that villain, but it just wasn't as inspired to me. Craig himself is good I think, but charm is a big part of Bond, even for us to want to root for him, that kind of charm. So I think they can do a bit better than Craig's recent performances, but overall it's the writers who I'd say should get replaced.

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View PostPsychoGoatee, on 28 July 2018 - 12:07 PM, said:

I think Moore is great in The Spy Who Loved Me, in general I think he's good, the tone of the movies vary. Connery's movies got pretty campy too, Diamonds are Forever is just as cheesy as the cheesiest Moore stuff. In rewatching The Spy Who Loved Me, I found it interesting that Moore's Bond often comes across ice cold, he has a steely gaze a lot of the time, and he's very devil may care and dry. A different take, but I wouldn't say he's a comedian all around, Connery was also big on cracking fun jokes.

I dig giving respect to the books, I really enjoyed The Big Sleep for example over the movie, but for Bond the movies themselves are more so what caused a big cultural sensation. It's okay for it to evolve and change a bit, the movies are more about fun adventure and sex appeal etc than the books which are a bit more dry I gather? So I don't know that book Bond is something they need to stick with 100%. Fleming even changed book Bond because he liked Connery I read.

I loved the first couple Craig movies, especially Casino Royale, but overall the direction of them became a bit of a modern cliche to me. I love The Dark Knight, but I agree with the take that Skyfall was kind of trying to cash-in on the tone of The Dark Knight, especially with that villain, but it just wasn't as inspired to me. Craig himself is good I think, but charm is a big part of Bond, even for us to want to root for him, that kind of charm. So I think they can do a bit better than Craig's recent performances, but overall it's the writers who I'd say should get replaced.

Yeah, overall the movies tend to be a mixed bag when it comes to Bond so even though I don't like some of the actors all of them have some great movies and a lot of terrible ones. :( For example GoldenEye is excellent and there Brosnan's Bond works really well but the rest of his movies are terrible. The same goes for Moore too: the earlier ones like Live and Let Die are pretty good, the Bond character works better too and then the Moore movies gradually go down to the deepest levels of schlock.

Craig has it pretty well overall though I think: Casino Royale is great, Quantum of Solace is terrible, Skyfall is excellent and Spectre is fine.

As for the books: I wouldn't say that they feel dry, they are just a bit more grounded and smarter overall with a bit more of experimentation going on in them (for example the book version of The Spy Who Loved me is being told from the perspective of one of Bond's love interests and Bond only appears in the second half of it, it's not really about him but the woman). There are a few movies that are closer adaptations of the books, for example From Russia With Love and Casino Royale, those are good examples of the tone of Fleming.
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#36

Cool cool. Olga Kurylenko elevates Quantum for me, but overall I liked that a lot more than most did, thought it was cool. She also elevated that 2007 Hitman movie. But I digress! Agreed GoldenEye rocks, and that's the only Brosnan one I really dig. Tomorrow Never Dies had it's moments, but is pretty cheesy.
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View PostPsychoGoatee, on 28 July 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

Olga Kurylenko elevates Quantum for me, but overall I liked that a lot more than most did, thought it was cool.

Yeah, I know some people who think the same way. I don't understand why though, honestly I think Quantum is the worst Bond movie out of them all. It has a few nice action scenes but the editing is terrible, the story is bad and it doesn't even feel like Bond (and to make matters worse it's a direct sequel to Casino Royale). It's just Daniel Craig running through walls basically. :(

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#38

Moore was my favourite. I liked Brosnan too. Probably had something to do with Goldeneye.
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#39

How about a NOLF movie?

Probably won't be a good idea since whomever gets to make it will turn it into an Austin Powers clone since both does have that 60~70s vibe and people who are unfamiliar will call it a Bond clone.

This post has been edited by Romulus: 29 July 2018 - 08:14 AM

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Has there really been a female spy movie akin to James Bond?
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View PostHulkNukem, on 29 July 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

Has there really been a female spy movie akin to James Bond?

Atomic Blonde, kinda.
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View PostZaxx, on 29 July 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

Atomic Blonde, kinda.


So, no. Nothing "akin to James Bond." :(
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#43

If casting the movie, Jenna Coleman from Doctor Who perhaps? She is great. Hayley Atwell is great too, Agent Carter.
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Eva Green could be good as a female Bond-like spy, though I'd see her as a more Daniel Craig like action Bond than a more typical suave Bond. I know this is ironic since she was in Casino Royale.

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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 29 July 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

So, no. Nothing "akin to James Bond." :(

But yes, kinda: in that movie Charlize Theron is playing an MI6 agent (the same organization Bond is working for), it takes place during the Cold War and it's very much a spy movie. Sure, it's not "female Bond" but it's pretty darn close.

Edit: Btw. I think Atomic Blonde was a bit misplaced when it comes to marketing: it was advertised as the female version of John Wick basically because one of the directors of JW directed it but if you watch it comes off as a legit spy movie. I think that was the intention too, for example even the action scenes feel a bit like how an R-rated Bond movie would feel. This is an action scene that could fit well into a Bond movie, it's basically "classy lady kicking ass in a smart and humorous fashion":


And this one even has Bond's dry humor with the "fasten your seatbelt" line:


This post has been edited by Zaxx: 29 July 2018 - 06:43 PM

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#46

That movie looks like "edgy" shit, mate.
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View PostJimmy 4k, on 01 August 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

That movie looks like "edgy" shit, mate.

Well, it gets there:

:( No cuts, baby! (though I'm sure there's a few hidden ones in there in the moments where the camera is static)

Edit: Damn, they cut with CG actually:

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The key fight sequence that unfolds in a real Berlin building lasts for almost 10 minutes in what appears to be an unbroken take when, in fact, the sequence comprises almost 40 separate shots seamlessly stitched together. Though filmed chronologically from start to finish, nearly half the splices needed some degree of CGI assistance. Swish-pans provided the simplest solutions for smooth cuts and door frames provided vertical seams for smoothly bridging some segments.


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Fuckin awful.
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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 03 August 2018 - 04:37 AM, said:



I dunno, I don't watch action movies for realism and badass women don't make suspension of disbelief harder for me.

Why is this a good scene for example?

Because it's fun, not because it's realistic and if you're like "oh my God, Keanu Reeves is taking out trained killers with a pencil" when you're watching an action movie you must not be fun at parties. :( Also: I like women in my action movies, if I get to watch a nice looking chick during a well-choreographed fight scene then that's a plus for me. If Jimmy thinks that's "edgy" and fucking awful then he's free to think that but I really don't give a single fuck about that and I'll just keep rewatching Kill Bill anyway because Kill Bill is a masterpiece. The good thing about the entertainment industry is that everyone can find what they like and skip the rest.

What I hate about today's entertainment (well, more like what I hate about people these days really) is that everything is getting touched by identity politics: if there's a woman in your action movie then you must be at least an SJW while the reality is that action fans just like watching good action movies without thinking much about anything other than that really. The world is surely full of miserable idiots if an action movie can spark a discussion in gender identity. :unsure: "I won't watch Atomic Blonde because there's a woman in it" - nice, then fuck off please and let David Leitch do his job of directing cool action flicks because your brain dead ass is surely not part of the target audience. It's like when Wolfenstein 2 TNC came out and the alt right started taking it personally that people are shooting nazis in a videogame. Imagine that type of discussion: "Hey, I'm shooting nazis in Wolfenstein." "So you think everyone on the right is a nazi and that they should be killed." "NO, I'M PLAYING FUCKING WOLFENSTEIN!" :(

And btw. in Atomic Blonde the "badass woman" gets beaten to a pulp by the end of the film (even if you watch that scene I linked in my previous comment you can see some of it, it's not like "badass chick is kicking ass effortlessly" at all).

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 03 August 2018 - 08:10 AM

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Hey, enjoy it. Just don't try to convince me that I need to respect it the same way you do.
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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 03 August 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

Hey, enjoy it. Just don't try to convince me that I need to respect it the same way you do.

I'm not trying to, you just said that you think that the movie is not close to being a female version of the Bond films while when it comes to the setting, the story and its structure and some of the set pieces it's pretty darn close.

Anyway excuse me if I sounded harsh but most of that comment was directed at the video which I found pretty bad.
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How was the acting in Atomic Blonde?

View PostJimmy 4k, on 02 August 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

Fuckin awful.


and the choreography?

View PostJimmy 4k, on 02 August 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

Fuckin awful.


and the camera work?

View PostJimmy 4k, on 02 August 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

Fuckin awful.


subjective, but accurate

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I enjoy action movies with female leads....just not unrealistically overpowered ones. I thought that the new Tomb Raider film handled that exceptionally well. Some people can turn their brains off and their suspension of disbelief on for certain things. Some people can't watch sci-fi for this reason. I know a close friend who can't stand anything with aliens in it, for instance (though, he loves the Transformers movies so figure that one out). I can't make myself appreciate Atomic Blonde. It's too over the top. I guess I just respect women too much to see that as the best they can do.

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Well then you guys won't like this:
https://www.imdb.com..._=nm_flmg_act_1
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I'm not really surprised TBH...but I already avoid a lot of Hollywood nonsense so it's not a big deal to me. Par for the course.

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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 03 August 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

I'm not really surprised TBH...but I already avoid a lot of Hollywood nonsense so it's not a big deal to me. Par for the course.

I kinda get the feeling because as far as I'm concerned Marvel is the worst thing that has happened to cinema in a long time but the John Wick style of action choreography is something I appreciate greatly. When it comes to action Fast & Furious is the thing I hate the most I think.

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Zaxx, NOLF's PS2 port has three extra levels on it. Is there any way to get them working for the PC version? Has anyone ever bothered?
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View PostRomulus, on 03 August 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

Zaxx, NOLF's PS2 port has three extra levels on it. Is there any way to get them working for the PC version? Has anyone ever bothered?

If I remember correctly fans already took a look at that stuff and long story short there was no way to implement them. Basically the PS2 version would need a PC port for those levels to work on PC. :(
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View PostZaxx, on 03 August 2018 - 07:54 AM, said:

I dunno, I don't watch action movies for realism and badass women don't make suspension of disbelief harder for me.

Who said it's shit because a woman is in it?

View PostZaxx, on 03 August 2018 - 07:54 AM, said:

Why is this a good scene for example?

It's not a good scene. John Wick is equally as shitty.

View PostZaxx, on 03 August 2018 - 07:54 AM, said:

Because it's fun, not because it's realistic and if you're like "oh my God, Keanu Reeves is taking out trained killers with a pencil" when you're watching an action movie you must not be fun at parties. :( Also: I like women in my action movies, if I get to watch a nice looking chick during a well-choreographed fight scene then that's a plus for me. If Jimmy thinks that's "edgy" and fucking awful then he's free to think that but I really don't give a single fuck about that and I'll just keep rewatching Kill Bill anyway because Kill Bill is a masterpiece. The good thing about the entertainment industry is that everyone can find what they like and skip the rest.

Kill Bill is fucking garbage. Choreography kills action films. The Matrix fucking ruined action movies. Wanna see a badass woman? Well here ya fuckin go, mate.



View PostZaxx, on 03 August 2018 - 07:54 AM, said:

What I hate about today's entertainment (well, more like what I hate about people these days really) is that everything is getting touched by identity politics: if there's a woman in your action movie then you must be at least an SJW while the reality is that action fans just like watching good action movies without thinking much about anything other than that really. The world is surely full of miserable idiots if an action movie can spark a discussion in gender identity. :unsure: "I won't watch Atomic Blonde because there's a woman in it" - nice, then fuck off please and let David Leitch do his job of directing cool action flicks because your brain dead ass is surely not part of the target audience. It's like when Wolfenstein 2 TNC came out and the alt right started taking it personally that people are shooting nazis in a videogame. Imagine that type of discussion: "Hey, I'm shooting nazis in Wolfenstein." "So you think everyone on the right is a nazi and that they should be killed." "NO, I'M PLAYING FUCKING WOLFENSTEIN!" :(

Nice strawman. The problem with these lame ass fucking movies is they are over choreographed. Choreography sacrifices brutality, which is at the core of action. No brutality, no action. There are tons of films with great female action characters, like the aforementioned Conan series, Terminator series, Starship Troopers series, RoboCop series, Red Sonja, Alien series, and so forth. "Sexism" is a blind argument these stupid fucking Hollywood producers push because their movies are lazy shit.

This post has been edited by Jimmy 4k: 03 August 2018 - 09:24 PM

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