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Achenar, on 01 August 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Idea accepted, this thread is now Political Shitshooting.

This thread is going to die now.

Captain Awesome, on 02 August 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Hmmm, let's see....

Captain Awesome, on 02 August 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Let me warm up the defibrillators .

Captain Awesome, on 02 August 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

It died when the afore-mentioned troll came into it.

^^ Operating on the context clues, I'm not sure how anything I posted could be construed as "trolling", given that it was on-topic to what Mad Max RW posted, and was nowhere near as vitriolic or one-sided as some of the other stuff I've seen in this thread, but whatever. I never bothered responding after the second post because by the time I came back, the discussion had already changed into something else entirely.

Trooper Dan, on 02 August 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

Forward!

Yeah, this thread is deader than Kennedy.

EmericaSkater, on 03 August 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

Yeah, looking back at it, I see your point now. In retrospect, it has more of a point to make about just how crazy the lines are that are being drawn. I dare say though that very little of it actually has anything to do with his policies and more to do with conspiracy theories about birthplaces, crazy visions of a hidden agenda to avenge his Father's death by destroying America from within (that frigging "documentary" film that just came out), or just because he's Black. And while I'm usually not one to EVER say that, because I don't like scapegoating racism for things... that crap has gotten WAY out of hand in recent years in the 'contest to be more victimized than everyone else', but Conservatives have gone completely nuts. And another great example of that is the "Church of Fried Chicken" that just got founded.

wayskobfssae, on 03 August 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

No conservative I know actually believes any of that horseshit conspiracy you listed, and I'm amazed that you even brought it up. I'm sure you would agree that there are no rational-thinking liberals that you know of who believe that Bush went to Iraq to artificially raise gas prices and give oil to his Halliburton affiliates.

^^ For whatever it's worth to mention, I knew a lifelong Republican who really, genuinely thought something similar to Red Dawn was going to happen within six months of Obama getting elected. In all fairness, he was a pretty well-adjusted guy beyond that point, but then again, it's Texas after all. We play by different rules down here, so your mileage may vary.

Achenar, on 03 August 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Nobody you know even believes Obama isn't legally able to be a President? Really? That one is pretty danged popular around here, and this is New Jersey, which is a pretty liberal state.

At least what you brought up is about something Bush actually did (going to Iraq). With Obama, nobody ever even needed him to screw up. They found plenty to flip out over without that.

wayskobfssae, on 03 August 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

I'm glad that surprises you. I guess I just prefer to keep company with people who have their head screwed on properly.

The whole Obama "birther" conspiracy theory originated with Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primaries. Liberals are quick to forget this fact.

Obama screwed up in every possible way and many more ways nobody could have imagined.

Achenar, on 03 August 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Gee... what are you trying to imply? That you have better friends than many, or that everyone I know is crazy?

Mad Max RW, on 03 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

I never trusted her anyhow. Though I personally never heard anything about the birth crap until later.

Either way, it that doesn't shock me that nobody remembers it. Reminds me of how Dems were during the Bush vs Kerry election. "If only Bill could run again." Everybody seemed to want to push to change the laws and allow Presidents more than two terms. Their thinking was Clinton could restore the economy, and one of the main ways he would do that was by ending the war, because he's a peacenick. None of them seemed to remember that very shortly after the Lewinsky mess hit the public media, Bill started lobbing very expensive cruise missiles at Iraq.

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I think you need to be more vague.

wayskobfssae, on 03 August 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

Because you insist on ignoring reality I quickly compiled a list of failures, missed opportunities, and broken promises:

-2009 Iranian Green Revolution. They begged us for help and we let Iran slaughter its people. Obama ignored the best opportunity to remove Ahmadinejad.
-Never closed Guantanamo Bay
-Never got unemployment under 8%. He specifically said if he didn't achieve this he'd be a one term president. The economy is worse than ever.
-Rammed Obamacare through without majority support
-Promised to cut the deficit in half, instead he nearly doubles it. The highest increase in debt than all the previous presidents going back to George Washington combined.
-Housing market is just as fucked as it was when it first collapsed in 2008. In fact, he is pushing the same shit with giving out millions of bad loans, the reason it collapsed in the first place.
-Kept every single one of Bush's war policies in place. He campaigned as the peace president and even won the Nobel Peace Prize months later.
-Two factually illegal wars in Libya and Yemen. No Congressional approval = illegal. Even Bush got approval for Iraq and Afghanistan.
-Promised he wouldn't have lobbyists working in his administration. LIED
-Promised he wouldn't accept SuperPAC campaign contributions. LIED
-Lobbyists wrote his healthcare law
-Delaying and fucking over the Keystone pipeline for purely political reasons, forcing Canada to deal with China
-Green jobs failure costing the taxpayer billions of dollars we will never see again. Here's a list: Amonix Solar, Solar Trust of America, Bright Source, Solyndra, LSP Energy, Energy Conversion Devices, Abound Solar, SunPower, Beacon Power, Ecotality, A123 Solar, UniSolar, Azure Dynamics, Evergreen Solar, Ener1
-Returning the bust of Churchill to Britain. The one they gave to us after 9/11.
-Campaigning for the Olympics in Chicago. Waste of time and FAILED.
-The 2010 midterm elections. Wiped the floor with him.
-Pandering to Medvedev over missile defense
-Eric Holder (Obama's Attorney General) Refusing to prosecute the New Black Panthers even with video proof of them violating voter rights through intimidation
-Eric Holder and Fast and Furious coverup. Remember people died because of this. Nobody died because of Nixon's Watergate scandal and coverup. Put it in perspective
-Eric Holder sues Arizona for upholding federal immigration laws
-Intelligence leaks from the White House to make Obama look tough. This lead to more deaths and imprisonment of people who helped us find Bin Laden, among other things. Who in the world will help us again?
-actual socialists and card carrying communists in his administration: Carol Browner (Energy Czar/Director), Rosa Brooks (Senior advisor to the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Michele Flournoy), Ron Bloom (Manufacturing Czar), Van Jones (former Special Advisor for Green Jobs)
-making race relations worse with his "stupidly" comment and stepping into the Travyon Martin/George Zimmerman story.
-getting the Arab Spring totally wrong. Now the Muslim Brotherhood (the originators of all Islamic terrorist groups) runs almost every country in the Middle East.
-Mohamed Elibiary, connected to the Muslim Brotherhood, now works for Homeland Security
-pandering to CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood by removing anything mentioning "radical islam" from the FBI books, and made it a dirty word in DC
-total lack of transparency

wayskobfssae, on 03 August 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Church of Fried Chicken? Sign my black ass up. Unless you mean Church's Chicken, in which I'm already signed up.

Achenar, on 03 August 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

I live in Virginia, everyone believes that shit. And of course the war in Iraq was all about money and resources.

Happy birthday President Obama! Today he is celebrating with his 104th round of golf. So he played golf 104 times in less than 4 years. Now let's put that into perspective. During Bush's eight years he played 24 rounds, and stopped entirely after 2003. That didn't stop the mainstream media and the left from screaming about all the golf he was playing. Where are they now?

Mad Max RW, on 04 August 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Well just a few days ago they were obsessing about Romney's comments on olympics preparations, as though the concerns he expressed were some huge blunder.

Mad Max RW, on 04 August 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Factor in the ballistic missiles and I think it evens out.

And, Max... umad?

wayskobfssae, on 04 August 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

utroll? I don't usually ask this, but how old are you?

If you cared at all about stuff like being able to afford food and having a job you'd be mad at Obama and his waste of a presidency.

This probably should've been posted like, 6 pages ago, but for some reason it suddenly feels much more relevant.

EmericaSkater, on 05 August 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

You could have posted that picture after the very first post of this thread and it still wouldn't have been very far off the mark.

Here's another one I'm sure our illiterate friend wayskobfssae will chose to ignore:

70 Facts That Barack Obama Does Not Want You To See

$3.59 - When Barack Obama entered the White House, the average price of a gallon of gasoline was $1.85. Today, it is $3.59.

22 - It is hard to believe, but today the poverty rate for children living in the United States is a whopping 22 percent.

23 - According to U.S. Representative Betty Sutton, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities permanently shut down in the United States every single day during 2010.

30 - Back in 2007, about 10 percent of all unemployed Americans had been out of work for 52 weeks or longer. Today, that number is above 30 percent.

32 - The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House.

35 - U.S. housing prices are now down a total of 35 percent from the peak of the housing bubble.

40 - The official U.S. unemployment rate has been above 8 percent for 40 months in a row.

42 - According to one survey, 42 percent of all American workers are currently living paycheck to paycheck.

48 - Shockingly, at this point 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be "low income" or are living in poverty.

49 - Today, an astounding 49.1 percent of all Americans live in a home where at least one person receives benefits from the government.

53 - Last year, an astounding 53 percent of all U.S. college graduates under the age of 25 were either unemployed or underemployed.

60 - According to a recent Gallup poll, only 60 percent of all Americans say that they have enough money to live comfortably.

61 - At this point the Federal Reserve is essentially monetizing much of the U.S. national debt. For example, the Federal Reserve bought up approximately 61 percent of all government debt issued by the U.S. Treasury Department during 2011.

63 - One recent survey found that 63 percent of all Americans believe that the U.S. economic model is broken.

71 - Today, 71 percent of all small business owners believe that the U.S. economy is still in a recession.

80 - Americans buy 80 percent of the pain pills sold on the entire globe each year.

81 - Credit card debt among Americans in the 25 to 34 year old age bracket has risen by 81 percent since 1989.

85 - 85 percent of all artificial Christmas trees are made in China.

86 - According to one survey, 86 percent of Americans workers in their sixties say that they will continue working past their 65th birthday.

90 - In the United States today, the wealthiest one percent of all Americans have a greater net worth than the bottom 90 percent combined.

93 - The United States now ranks 93rd in the world in income inequality.

95 - The middle class continues to shrink - 95 percent of the jobs lost during the last recession were middle class jobs.

107 - Each year, the average American must work 107 days just to make enough money to pay local, state and federal taxes.

350 - The average CEO now makes approximately 350 times as much as the average American worker makes.

400 - According to Forbes, the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined.

$500 - In some areas of Detroit, Michigan you can buy a three bedroom home for just $500.

627 - In 2010, China produced 627 million metric tons of steel. The United States only produced 80 million metric tons of steel.

877 - 20,000 workers recently applied for just 877 jobs at a Hyundai plant in Montgomery, Alabama.

900 - Auto parts exports from China to the United States have increased by more than 900 percent since the year 2000.

$1580 - When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850. Today an ounce of gold costs more than $1580 an ounce.

1700 - Consumer debt in America has risen by a whopping 1700% since 1971.

2016 - It is being projected that the Chinese economy will be larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2016.

$4155 - The average American household spent a staggering $4,155 on gasoline during 2011.

$4300 - The amount by which real median household income has declined since Barack Obama entered the White House.

$6000 - If you can believe it, the median price of a home in Detroit is now just $6000.

$10,000 - According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 46 percent of all American workers have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, and 29 percent of all American workers have less than $1,000 saved for retirement.

49,000 - In 2011, our trade deficit with China was more than 49,000 times larger than it was back in 1985.

50,000 - The United States has lost an average of approximately 50,000 manufacturing jobs a month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

56,000 - The United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.

$85,000 - According to the New York Times, a Jeep Grand Cherokee that costs $27,490 in the United States costs about $85,000 in China thanks to all the tariffs.

$175,587 - The Obama administration spent $175,587 to find out if cocaine causes Japanese quail to engage in sexually risky behavior.

$328,404 - Over the next 75 years, Medicare is facing unfunded liabilities of more than 38 trillion dollars. That comes to $328,404 for each and every household in the United States.

$361,330 - This is what the average banker in New York City made in 2010.

440,00 - If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to totally pay it off.

500,000 - According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs to China every single year.

2,000,000 - Family farms are being systematically wiped out of existence in the United States. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the number of farms in the United States has fallen from about 6.8 million in 1935 to only about 2 million today.

$2,000,000 - At this point, the U.S. national debt is rising by more than 2 million dollars every single minute.

2,600,000 - In 2010, 2.6 million more Americans fell into poverty. That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959.

5,400,000 - When Barack Obama first took office there were 2.7 million long-term unemployed Americans. Today there are twice as many.

16,000,000 - It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.

$20,000,000 - The amount of money the U.S. government was spending to create a version of Sesame Street for children in Pakistan.

25,000,000 - Today, approximately 25 million American adults are living with their parents.

40,000,000 - According to Professor Alan Blinder of Princeton University, 40 million more U.S. jobs could be sent offshore over the next two decades if current trends continue.

46,405,204 - The number of Americans currently on food stamps. When Barack Obama first entered the White House there were only 32 million Americans on food stamps.

88,000,000 - Today there are more than 88 million working age Americans that are not employed and that are not looking for employment. That is an all-time record high.

100,000,000 - Overall, there are more than 100 million working age Americans that do not currently have jobs.

$150,000,000 - This is approximately the amount of money that the Obama administration and the U.S. Congress are stealing from future generations of Americans every single hour.

$2,000,000,000 - The amount of money that JP Morgan has admitted that it will lose from derivatives trades gone bad. Many analysts are convinced that the real number will actually end up being much higher.

$147,000,000,000 - In the U.S., medical costs related to obesity are estimated to be approximately 147 billion dollars a year.

295,500,000,000 - Our trade deficit with China in 2011 was $295.5 billion. That was the largest trade deficit that one country has had with another country in the history of the planet.

$359,100,000,000 - During the first quarter of 2012, U.S. public debt rose by 359.1 billion dollars. U.S. GDP only rose by 142.4 billion dollars.

$454,000,000,000 - During fiscal 2011, the U.S. government spent over 454 billion dollars just on interest on the national debt.

$1,000,000,000,000 - The total amount of student loan debt in the United States recently surpassed the one trillion dollar mark.

$1,170,000,000,000 - China now holds approximately 1.17 trillion dollars of U.S. government debt. Yet the U.S. government continues to send them millions of dollars in foreign aid every year.

$1,600,000,000,000 - The amount that has been added to the U.S. national debt since the Republicans took control of the U.S. House of Representatives. This is more than the first 97 Congresses added to the national debt combined.

$5,000,000,000,000 - The U.S. national debt has risen by more than 5 trillion dollars since the day that Barack Obama first took office. In a little more than 3 years Obama has added more to the national debt than the first 41 presidents combined.

$5,000,000,000,000 - What the real U.S. budget deficit in 2011 would have been if the federal government had used generally accepted accounting principles.

$11,440,000,000,000 - The total amount of consumer debt in the United States.

$15,734,596,578,458.59 - The U.S. national debt as of June 7, 2012.

$200,000,000,000,000 - Today, the 9 largest banks in the United States have a total of more than 200 trillion dollars of exposure to derivatives. When the derivatives market completely collapses there won't be enough money in the entire world to fix it.

Mad Max RW, on 05 August 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

If you're right and wayskobfssae really is trolling you, I can't help but get the vibe that he's done so successfully.

EmericaSkater, on 05 August 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

He is from New Jersey after all.

EmericaSkater, on 05 August 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

"Swatting a fly with a sledgehammer" comes to mind.

Mad Max RW, on 05 August 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

Actually I don't troll. Certainly looks like Obama has been trolling you though. And your anger just reaches through the screen with just about every sentence you've been typing, which, I realized, fits quite well with your handle (whether its a reference to the film of the same name or not). Hence the phrase, "Max... umad?" Quite clearly, you are, and it reveals itself quite well in how you talk about the President, and call anyone who disagrees with your views, "illiterate."

Sure I have gripes with Obama. But I'm more mad at the douchebag that put us in this mess in the first place. That Obama could, or couldn't accomplish his goals is just as much the fault of the rest of the government as it is his, since Presidents can do extremely little without approval. Seems like the only thing they can actually do on their own is blow up other countries (while all the things that SHOULD be that easy aren't). And when you have a government that would rather see America's credit rating drop, rather than put a tax on the upper class. That doesn't leave much hope for progress. Obama wanted the tax breaks removed. The Republicans wouldn't have any part of it. No, just raise the debt ceiling just like we always have and its back to business as usual.

And don't even bother trying to bring in class warfare or unfairness into what Obama wanted to do. The rich have had it WAY worse than they do now, and that tax increase still would've come nowhere near what the wealthy once paid (and were STILL living in luxury despite it)



As for that ridiculous list you just posted, if that is meant to be another anti-Obama list, it's an epic fail. With the exception of a couple items on the list, it does NOTHING to point to how Obama is actually responsible for all of that, and barely even implies it. You would've at least been better off posting the paragraph at the beginning, which implies it's an attack on Obama's supposed belief that everything is A-OK in the economy, which from what I can tell, all stems from a single sentence he uttered at a single press conference last month.

As for ignoring the previous one... did you write that up yourself or did you get it from somewhere? I had considered responding to it, but quickly decided that considering this thread is already spitting out flames, typing out 5 pages to respond to each of those allegations is just a complete waste of time. And you've already demonstrated that you're going to hate him unless he mystically solves all the nation's problems in the next couple of months. You rage about his golf rounds, and then show me a list that involves raging about a production of Sesame Street. Really? Comeon, I'm sure we can find something even more petty to fight about. Feel free to make some cliche stereotypes about New Jersey while you're at it.

So instead of acknowledging FACTS you simply dismiss them. Typical liberal response. You're living in a dream world. A house of cards. And it is all collapsing. Obama and the entire Democratic party will implode on itself because people like you think it's easier to blame somebody else for your failures. Try growing a pair by doing the hard work and taking some responsibility. History is going to look back at this time and laugh at you.

Ask yourself this: why do we need to raise taxes on the "rich"? What will it do? Pay off the debt? You know if the tax rate was raised to 100% of their income it would take centuries to put a dent in it. So what's the real reason? We already have the highest tax rate in the world with all the businesses leaving. You just parrot the same nonsense talking points without knowing what any of it really means. Another talking point I hear from liberals is the debt doesn't matter. In that case why not abolish all taxes? If we don't need to pay for anything and none of it truly matters. Why tax?

I want to reply to your little graph. You do realize the full historical context, right? The tax rate was so high because our economy was booming after WW2. Nobody else in the world was manufacturing like the US. But then as regulations were piled on the manufacturing left, so taxes dropped. Now the dollar is worthless and regulations are bankrupting businesses that haven't gone overseas.