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Do you believe there is extraterrestrial lifeforms out there?  "Beyond Earth,"

Poll: Do you believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

Which kind of extraterrestrial lifeforms do you believe in?

  1. I believe in (intelligent only) extraterrestrial lifeforms exists (3 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  2. I believe in (animal and intelligent) extraterrestrial lifeforms exists (28 votes [77.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 77.78%

  3. I believe in (animal only) extraterrestrial lifeforms only exists (1 votes [2.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.78%

  4. I don't believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms (4 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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User is offline   Kathy 

#31

View PostDrek, on 31 December 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

Judging by the ruthlessness of life here on Earth, any species willing to travel light years through space would only be after one thing. Resources, be it food, water, whatever.

Because Earth have something unique to justify a light years resource mission?
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User is offline   Micky C 

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#32

Throughout the development of our society as a species, it's safe to say that the more time goes by and the more technologically advanced we've become, we've become less barbaric and more civilised. I mean, it's not like medieval times when there'd be numerous adjacent constantly warring domains. And it doesn't look like there's going to be a world war anytime soon, since not many countries would be willing to risk nuclear fallout. The point I'm trying to make it that hopefully any civilisation that's become advanced enough to have practical space travel will most likely have already ironed out its own internal troubles and be fairly peaceful.
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#33

View PostMicky C, on 31 December 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

Throughout the development of our society as a species, it's safe to say that the more time goes by and the more technologically advanced we've become, we've become less barbaric and more civilised. I mean, it's not like medieval times when there'd be numerous adjacent constantly warring domains. And it doesn't look like there's going to be a world war anytime soon, since not many countries would be willing to risk nuclear fallout. The point I'm trying to make it that hopefully any civilisation that's become advanced enough to have practical space travel will most likely have already ironed out its own internal troubles and be fairly peaceful.


People on earth hate each other as much as ever, maybe more than ever, and I wouldn't be surprised to see an uptick in warfare in the near future. But even if you are right about civilization having a pacifying effect, I see no reason that should provide reassurance about the intentions of extraterrestrials. Just because a civilization is not at war, does not mean it could not have slaves. And consider that we peaceful, civilized people have no problem with slaughtering animals for food or sport, keeping them in cages, etc. If the aliens regard us as lower lifeforms (which seems likely, if they had the technology to reach us) then they might decide to enslave us or wipe us out out their convenience.
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User is offline   Zaxtor 

#34

Deeper you remind me of a film I watched last night.
Similar to the film "The day the Earth stood still."

Quote

Helen Benson: I need to know what's happening.
Klaatu: This planet is dying. The human race is killing it.
Helen Benson: So you've come here to help us.
Klaatu: No, *I* didn't.
Helen Benson: You said you came to save us.
Klaatu: I said I came to save the Earth.
Helen Benson: You came to save the Earth... from us. You came to save the Earth *from* us.
Klaatu: We can't risk the survival of this planet for the sake of one species.
Helen Benson: What are you saying?
Klaatu: If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives. There are only a handful of planets in the cosmos that are capable of supporting complex life...
Helen Benson: You can't do this.
Klaatu: ...this one can't be allowed to perish.
Helen Benson: We can change. We can still turn things around.
Klaatu: We've watched, we've waited and hoped that you *would* change.
Helen Benson: Please...
Klaatu: It's reached the tipping point. We have to act.
Helen Benson: Please...
Klaatu: We'll undo the damage you've done and give the Earth a chance to begin again.
Helen Benson: Don't do this. Please, we can change. We can change.
Klaatu: The decision is made. The process has begun.
Helen Benson: Oh God.

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User is offline   Mark 

#35

That movie dialog came from Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" :)
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User is offline   Zaxtor 

#36

Film was original 1951 but I watched the 2008.
The 2008 one says that phrase (in my quote).
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User is offline   Kathy 

#37

I've watched it only once several years ago, but AFAIR in 1951 version Klaatu didn't come to "save" Earth. It also had to do with "just" a nuclear weapons and not about killing the "mother nature Earth". At least that's what I remember. Anyway, I highly recommend this movie. And it aged pretty good, I think. Visual effect haven't felt fake or cheesy.
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User is offline   Mikko 

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#38

View PostDeeperThought, on 31 December 2011 - 09:23 AM, said:

But would a transmission from that far away be detectable? Probably not: http://www.faqs.org/...section-12.html But let's suppose that the aliens have the ability to send some kind of super powerful signal that we would be able to detect from many thousands of light years away. It's reasonable to assume that a signial of that strength would require a lot of resources to send (building the equipment, harnessing the energy needed to send it). What would be the point of going to all that trouble? If they got a response, it could only be from a civilization equally advanced who was able to send an equally powerful signal (not us), it would be thousands of years later, and it probably wouldn't be of any use to them.


That article actually shows that you can make signals detectable from afar if you employ enough power (see the "EIRP" column in Table 1). In fact, we have already employed such power in the hope of communicating with aliens. Of course no one assumed that our standard TV or radio signals could be detected by alien civilizations. But the point is that we already have the technology: a civilization that's millions of years ahead of us would probably find the cost of such technology (and even much better technology) to be peanuts.
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User is offline   Mia Max 

#39

Aliens do exist!!!!

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I'd say that was a bit beyond --Helixhorned

Sorry.

I just was in the 'post-thread' and thought that it would be allowed. :)


This post has been edited by Mia Max: 06 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

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User is offline   Kathy 

#40

Errm... I'm sorry, but WHAT THE FUCK?
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User is offline   Spirrwell 

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#41

According to Carl Sagan, the universe is finite, but unbound. Infinity is an interesting concept. In our world infinity doesn't exist, everything has its end, people die, people are born, and more people die. The number 1000 is as far away from infinity as the number 1. Infinity simply cannot be reached. Yet there are other things, such as the number π which is an irrational number that goes on forever so long as it's calculated. π in it of itself is simply the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. If our universe is curved, may we be infinite. I of course have no idea if this is true, I don't have a complete understanding of physics.

As Mr. Deviance said, I too hate the fact that generations after me will have answers I will never have. Just as that bothers me, the worst part of it all is that there will be things we will NEVER have an answer to, or we would have AN answer, right or wrong, because we are imperfect, just like extraterrestrial life would be. Even if we aren't alone, we are still insignificant. We are here, either by accident, by creation, or something we are unaware of. None of that matters, the only thing that matters is we are here right now, we have problems right now, which only we give meaning to. The sad thing is that eventually this may be all forgotten, we may be gone, we may have destroyed ourselves. Everything we've worked so hard on, all the wars, progression of technology, all of the things we do will have been only in vein because it will be gone someday.

As an answer to the original question, I believe in extraterrestrial life, but even that doesn't matter.

This post has been edited by Spirrwell: 06 April 2012 - 06:27 PM

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#42

View PostBurnett, on 01 January 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

I've watched it only once several years ago, but AFAIR in 1951 version Klaatu didn't come to "save" Earth. It also had to do with "just" a nuclear weapons and not about killing the "mother nature Earth". At least that's what I remember. Anyway, I highly recommend this movie. And it aged pretty good, I think. Visual effect haven't felt fake or cheesy.


In a way he did, just not in the usual benevolent almost angelic saviorish way that we wish aliens would do. Basically the idea was, "Welcome to the galactic neighborhood, here are the ground rules, obey them or be annihilated." Which in summary is a lot more barbaric than it really was. The basic idea being, this network of civilized planets, noticed that Earth had achieved a notable level of technology, and would soon be capable of making contact with (and possibly obliterating) other civilizations. So they met with us to try and straighten us out lest our knowledge grow faster than our discipline (gee, can't imagine that happening). It's basically the same way our 'global powers' feel when a new nation starts developing nuclear capability.


As to the OP, of course there's life out there. Even if its extremely rare, the number of planets per star * the number of stars per galaxy * the number of galaxies in the universe, trumps however bad the odds are of life developing, IMO. Doesn't mean we have any hope of ever contacting them though, especially of the average is something like one inhabited planet per galaxy.
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User is offline   Fox 

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#43

View Postwayskobfssae, on 06 April 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

our knowledge grow faster than our discipline (gee, can't imagine that happening).

But hasn't it always been like that? At least I don't feel like humans are disciplined for nuclear weapons now.

And can we say our knowledge has grown? The intelect of the average citizen or of the politicians has grow? Or it belongs only to a few scientists (who actually may have that discipline)?

View Postwayskobfssae, on 06 April 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

As to the OP, of course there's life out there. Even if its extremely rare, the number of planets per star * the number of stars per galaxy * the number of galaxies in the universe, trumps however bad the odds are of life developing, IMO. Doesn't mean we have any hope of ever contacting them though, especially of the average is something like one inhabited planet per galaxy.

It's not just the rarity, but the relevancy of it. We can't contact a planet in another galaxy with our current level of technology, and It would require another planet a million of times more advanced to contact us. And if that was true, it's very unlikely they would care about making contact with us (like in "if there was a God, he wouldn't care about us"). Of course humans like to think they are important for the universe, but on reality that's very unlikely.

This post has been edited by Fox: 07 April 2012 - 08:02 AM

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User is offline   Kathy 

#44

View Postwayskobfssae, on 06 April 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

In a way he did, just not in the usual benevolent almost angelic saviorish way that we wish aliens would do. Basically the idea was, "Welcome to the galactic neighborhood, here are the ground rules, obey them or be annihilated." Which in summary is a lot more barbaric than it really was. The basic idea being, this network of civilized planets, noticed that Earth had achieved a notable level of technology, and would soon be capable of making contact with (and possibly obliterating) other civilizations. So they met with us to try and straighten us out lest our knowledge grow faster than our discipline (gee, can't imagine that happening). It's basically the same way our 'global powers' feel when a new nation starts developing nuclear capability.

Yeah, but I was mainly replying to premise of the remake(You came to save the Earth... from us. You came to save the Earth *from* us). While original was mostly about what you said(and saving people from themselves), but not about preserving Earth, which it was(from what I could understand from the quote) in the remake.

This post has been edited by Burnett: 06 April 2012 - 10:05 PM

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View PostFox, on 06 April 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

But hasn't it always been like that? At least I don't feel like humans are disciplined for nuclear weapons now.

It's not just the rarity, but the relevancy of it. We can't contact a planet in another galaxy with our current level of technology, and It would require another planet a million of times more advanced to contact us. And if that was true, it's very unlikely they would care about making contact with us (like in "if there was a God, he wouldn't care about us"). Of course humans like to think they are important for the universe, but on reality that's very unlikely.


Aye, it has been that way, which is exactly why an advanced space-faring race might get a little nervous whenever the new kid on the block gets ready to pick up "adult toys" for the first time.

As for whether or not another race would want to contact us, I think that's more or less a necessity for an advanced culture. Curiosity, from an evolutionary standpoint, is integral for any species to move beyond their primal behaviors. Without it, there would be no desire to experiment. Curiosity encourages us always press on and discover new things. Even in the cases humans have destroyed or enslaved other races, we were still fascinated by their culture, philosophies, technology, etc. If anything out there had enough curiosity to escape the confines of their home world, I see no reason why it wouldn't also drive them to 'seek out new lifeforms and new civilizations.'

This post has been edited by wayskobfssae: 06 April 2012 - 09:48 PM

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User is offline   Engel220 

#46

My opinions are short and sweet; I do believe in the idea of there possibly being extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe, but I'm not someone who isn't open to the idea that they might not be there. I'm not on the fence, I just feel that if there is another form of life somewhere, then that's fantastic, but if not it's no big loss to me.
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User is offline   Fox 

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#47

View Postwayskobfssae, on 06 April 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

As for whether or not another race would want to contact us, I think that's more or less a necessity for an advanced culture. Curiosity, from an evolutionary standpoint, is integral for any species to move beyond their primal behaviors. Without it, there would be no desire to experiment. Curiosity encourages us always press on and discover new things. Even in the cases humans have destroyed or enslaved other races, we were still fascinated by their culture, philosophies, technology, etc. If anything out there had enough curiosity to escape the confines of their home world, I see no reason why it wouldn't also drive them to 'seek out new lifeforms and new civilizations.'

They may look at us the same way we look at animals or insects, and have no interest in what we call culture.

Otherwise, if they have interest in our culture, they should be mature enough to not influence it. In the past we always failed in making contact with a different culture without affecting it.

This post has been edited by Fox: 07 April 2012 - 08:10 AM

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User is offline   Kathy 

#48

View PostFox, on 07 April 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

They may look at us the same way we look at animals or insects, and have no interest in what we call culture.

But we do have interest in animal culture.
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View PostBurnett, on 07 April 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

But we do have interest in animal culture.


Curiosity at least as far as, "Let's cut them into little pieces and see what color their organs are." Even if they see no point in talking to us, they'd probably still want to learn something.
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User is offline   Kathy 

#50

Really? There are even tv channels about animal life and behaviour. Lots of people observe animals without slicing them. Not to mention having animals as pets and trying in some way to communicate with them.
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View PostBurnett, on 07 April 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

Really? There are even tv channels about animal life and behaviour. Lots of people observe animals without slicing them. Not to mention having animals as pets and trying in some way to communicate with them.


Not saying it's the only reason, just one of many. Just saying there's countless reasons to investigate other lifeforms, even if its not the most logical one from our standpoint.
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User is offline   Kathy 

#52

Exactly my point. We should interest them at least as animals.
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User is offline   LAW 

#53

I hope they will find something in the Europa's waters, if there is water beneath the ice.
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User is offline   Forge 

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#54

View PostVinsaneOne, on 06 December 2011 - 10:24 PM, said:

There's too much evidence that intelligent life has visited us in the past to be ignored.

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#55

If you do enough research you can figure out something is up.

The Disclosure Project is very telling. Apparently most governments talk about UFOs openly, but the US seem to keep denying it.

This post has been edited by Soap DX: 12 June 2013 - 08:07 PM

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User is offline   Hank 

#56

Something is always up, especially when one listens to Coast To Coast Posted Image

Still, there are real questions yet to be factually answered like, who made this 15k years ago and why?
Attached Image: MonolithTanzania.jpg


Somehow, considering our infinite brain power, I actually believe now, we are the aliens, we came here a long long time ago and settled here. The catch is space travel. If we go to the next system, we may spend 20 years in space fight time, but a 20,000 years in local planet time. Take one major natural disaster, a language using hieroglyphs, and you end up with, well, us, lost in space, without concrete data, just guessing what is what. Posted Image

This post has been edited by Hank: 10 June 2013 - 01:52 AM

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User is offline   Master Fibbles 

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#57

The US has sent people to another celestial body, no other country in the world can make that claim (except North Korea, but no one believes them). I think the US knows a little more about life and the possibility of intelligent life in space. Their silence on issues regarding so called "UFO"s does not indicate anything. It means they don't think it is worth talking about because there is probably nothing to talk about. The ships seen in the 50s and 60s in the desert may still be classified because somewhere in the chain of command someone is still worried about the Commies (China probably already stole the secrets anyway) stealing plans for flight vehicles that don't work.

There was a guy who claim to see a rat in low resolution fuzzy images from the Mars rover. Unless you are looking for the rat, there is no rat.

@Hank, I'll be the first to say that the Egyptian language is wonky, but there is no evidence whatsoever to support a claim that humans are from space. Sure, the "missing link" is still missing, but there is sufficient archeological evidence to support the evolution of the species homo sapiens sapiens over the course of time. Besides, why did only language make it into civilization? If a space fearing civilization found earth and interfered with the development of human evolution, why only the language and masonry?
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User is offline   Komenja 

#58

I think that there has to be something else out there. Whatever created us (or what would evolve to become us) had to have created life elsewhere.
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User is offline   Ronin 

#59

It would be funny if we found out that an interstellar species nuked the Dinosaurs to make room for experiments on some primitive filthy apes and we are the results.

I don't believe that, it's just an idle thought.

Anyway you must only look into the wise eyes of a gorilla to see where we came from.

This post has been edited by Ronan: 10 June 2013 - 09:32 AM

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User is offline   Forge 

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#60

who knows what kind of life may have evolved elsewhere.
if you want to compare it to our situation, our planet has experienced several significant mass extinction events that made way for new species to dominate.
most life forms on this planet prior to smart monkeys had millions of years to evolve, become intelligent, create a civilization, but they all failed.
if our planet never went through atmosphere/climate shifts & super volcanic activity/snowballed, oxygenation, being fried by a supernova, getting whacked by a big rock - who knows what could have happened, and if the synapsids/theropsids could have eventually evolved above animal intelligence (being the first land creatures after amphibians & could stay out of the water). If they didn't die off, they would have had 275 million years to figure it out. So is this the kind of life that will be found beyond our solar system?

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