[Perro Seco]

I made this simple bridge only to test TROR, but lot of errors appears. I'm doing something wrong or the TROR effect can't render the area?



PS: I tested it in classic mode, my computer doesn't support polymer.

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[brullov]

No TROR without polymer. Life is full of pain, son.

[Perro Seco]

Artem Nevinchany, on 18 December 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

No TROR without polymer. Life is full of pain, son.

I found a way to fix it.

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[brullov]

No, you did not.

[Micky C]

Artem Nevinchany, on 18 December 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

No TROR without polymer. Life is full of pain, son.

I'm afraid you're wrong there son. Classic can pull off some pretty decent TROR, it's mainly a matter of avoiding individual TROR sectors having convex shapes, as discussed on the wiki.

The map looks fine to me in classic, maybe you're looking at it in polymost? Now polymost really is a mess when it comes to TROR, although you can do a little bit with it as seen in my DNF DLC map. Once again I put a few limitations on the wiki.

Perro Seco I'd advise against making the TROR surfaces parallaxed, since that may create unforeseen problems. (Press i in 3D mode so you see the black TROR texture, then press p on both the top and bottom of all TROR sectors).

[brullov]

Micky C, on 19 December 2014 - 03:00 AM, said:

I'm afraid you're wrong there son. Classic can pull off some pretty decent TROR, it's mainly a matter of avoiding individual TROR sectors having convex shapes, as discussed on the wiki.

The map looks fine to me in classic, maybe you're looking at it in polymost? Now polymost really is a mess when it comes to TROR, although you can do a little bit with it as seen in my DNF DLC map. Once again I put a few limitations on the wiki.

Oh, renders... Right, I am looking in polymost.

[Perro Seco]

Micky C, on 19 December 2014 - 03:00 AM, said:

Perro Seco I'd advise against making the TROR surfaces parallaxed, since that may create unforeseen problems. (Press i in 3D mode so you see the black TROR texture, then press p on both the top and bottom of all TROR sectors).

What's the difference between parallaxed and normal TROR texture? I parallaxed it to avoid problems with the "ifoutside" command.

By the way, thank you for your TROR guide, it helped me a lot except some examples I don't understand very well (I'm from Spain, my English level is not very good). Can you upload some example maps to the guide? They will be very useful.

[blizzart]

Perro Seco, on 19 December 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

What's the difference between parallaxed and normal TROR texture? I parallaxed it to avoid problems with the "ifoutside" command.

By the way, thank you for your TROR guide, it helped me a lot except some examples I don't understand very well (I'm from Spain, my English level is not very good). Can you upload some example maps to the guide? They will be very useful.

Try to open the console in Mapster and type set_rendermode 0 and it should looks fine. I had the same problem with my AMC TC - map and didn´t noticed that I was using polymost instead of classic mode.

[Fox]

Perro Seco, on 19 December 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

What's the difference between parallaxed and normal TROR texture? I parallaxed it to avoid problems with the "ifoutside" command.

If it is not, that should be hard-coded in Eduke32.

[Hendricks266]

Perro Seco, on 19 December 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

What's the difference between parallaxed and normal TROR texture? I parallaxed it to avoid problems with the "ifoutside" command.

Fox, on 19 December 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

If it is not, that should be hard-coded in Eduke32.

Do you mean that ifoutside doesn't check the ceiling of the top of the TROR bunch, only of the local sector?

[Micky C]

I'd wait for Perro Seco's response of course, but that's likely the case since I remember a problem related to the spider enemies in WGR2 which would put a web to the top of the TROR sector to climb up, even though the spider was 'outside' and shouldn't be making any webs.

Perro Seco, while technically there's nothing wrong with it, the eduke devs generally advise against making TROR surfaces parallaxed in case there's some change in the future that potentially makes look buggy. It's simply not supported.
I can't really think of any examples to add to the wiki other than the ones already there. Sure there's a much wider variety of stuff that can be done, but they'd only use the techniques that are already illustrated in the examples.

[Zaxtor]

I know ur error. You made a sky in your TROR.

If you press "P" making a sky in your TROR it will make like you shown in the pic and downloaded tror.map file.
We don't do sky in TROR (textures).
TROR works in non polymer mode but more limited and more prone to be buggy (depending)

AMC TC has some TROR and is considered classic mode.
My mod has lots of TROR etc is considered polymost mode.
Polymost mode is pretty same to classic mode if I am not wrong for TROR behavior.

And other nonpolymer maps that uses TROR works.

TROR is more "limited" in non polymer mode.
Means if you make complex TROR you will get "hom" black lines, and like the pic you posted or similar.

The drawback.
When we make multi TROR sometimes we get a thing that you can see "sprites through the walls" from the neighbouring TROR.
Like you can see the content of the other TROR sector from its neighboring TROR. Does that when TROR is/are in visual range from its neighboring TROR.

I have ways to "outsmart" it.

I put sprites "walls" to hide the bug.
Also some other adaptations to "hide" the bugs.
Example.


But for more complicated ones. I use different methods.
Made a clip about hiding sprites in more "complicated TROR"



PS
Complicated, convex TROR can be buggy no matter what you do.
you can reduce but not eliminating it.