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DNF 2001 Breakdown  "What was what?"

User is offline   Wieder 

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Since DNF is actually in people's hands now... and will be in many more by this time next week, I thought it would be fun to give a more detailed breakdown of what was what in the 2001 video. There has been a lot of confusion on this... and honestly people who worked with me at 3DR might disagree with my memories and that's fine. It's been long enough nobody should care and be upset... and if they are... they need some perspective. :)

This is intended just for fun and curiosity! I'm going to start with the first actual DNF scene (the vegas view) and just go shot by shot from this video. To clarify some terms I will use. Playable = You could experience this yourself as a player just like you saw. Scripted = Think of a Half Life talking sequence or CoD scripted sequence. Meaning it was "real", but control/interaction would have been limited. Realish = It was all real, but we made special camera angles for trailer interest. Fudged = It was in game, but was either polished for the trailer, or simply an idea prototype. This is actually a big range because some prototypes were fully playable, but hadn't been incorporated into a level yet. Fake = It was done purely for the trailer and probably wouldn't have been in the game.

  • Vegas View = Realish
  • Sandworm = Scripted / Fake
  • Jetskis dropping = Playable
  • Boat & Building = Playable
  • Gunship & Window = Realish / Prototype
  • Octabrain & Tunnel = Scripted / Fake
  • Cars & Street = Playable / Prototype
  • Rocket = Scripted
  • EZVend = Playable
  • Tunnels = Fudged / Prototype
  • PMN8EZ Car = Playable / Prototype
  • Sniping Vasquez = Playable
  • Incoming plane = Scripted
  • EDF with shield = Playable
  • Pinball = Playable
  • More PMN8EZ = Playable / Prototype
  • Lightning Strike = Playable
  • Hoover Dam = Playable
  • Donkey Ride = Fudged / Prototype (I know I know... sorry!)
  • Flashlight Man = Playable / Scripted
  • Waitress and Guy holding door (all cuts) = Scripted / Fakeishfudged
  • Random EDF = Fake
  • General Graves = Scripted / Maybe Fake
  • Mothership = Realish
  • Graves again = Scripted / Maybe Fake
  • Save world all by yourself? = Scripted
  • Motorcycle = Playable
  • Shooting planes = Playable
  • Pipebomb = Playable / Fake setup
  • Tripmine = Playable
  • Ahhhhh!!!!! = Playable
  • Kicking door = Playable
  • Paint splats = Playable
  • Riot Shield and Turret = Playable
  • Shrinkage = Playable
  • EDF209 = Realish
  • Face Roach = Playable
  • Dragon = Realish
  • Minecart = Playable
  • Keypad = Playable
  • Squishing = Playable
  • Lady Killer = Scripted
  • Blue Man = Realish
  • Edge of Destruction = Playable
  • "I live... again!" = Playable
  • Canons Ahoy = Playable
  • Bad LOD Jetskis = Playable
  • Satisfying Chomp = Scripted / Fake
  • Gus = Soooo very fake.


Hope the old timers have fun with this... I'm off to wait for my BoS edition to arrive on Tuesday and my Steam pre-load to finish.

/salue to everyone that I've become friends with through the years... of all the things related to Duke that have mattered most to me it's you guys and the source code community life that has continued. I wish everyone the best... thank you again. :)

Most of all... have fun!

(Note: I've made a couple of updates after watching the video a couple more times... and also remember that this was still a work in progress so it still wasn't "Put it in a Box")

This post has been edited by Wieder: 08 June 2011 - 07:42 PM

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Cool post and very interesting to learn what was real and what wasn't. Thanks :)
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Very cool post, Charlie. I have to admit, I expected a LOT more stuff marked as "fake". It's nice to hear that there were actually tidbits of actual game somewhere in there. :)
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And the motorcylce was real!!!

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Wow. I expected a lot more "fake" content, but this is pretty impressive. What do you think of the 2001 version being playable to the public anytime soon?
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I want 2001 Dnf... no the 2011 :( Thx Charly!
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I love 48. Ol' Gus = Soooo very fake. That was such an awesome way to end the trailer. Thanks for the info.
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View PostGrounder, on 08 June 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

What do you think of the 2001 version being playable to the public anytime soon?


I have no real information on that... but I would assume pretty damn low. Even if a build was found... it would be a mess to pick through. Things that worked one week may not work the next in real time game development. ;) Though I've seen enough of the mod community to know they would find a way to pull the good bits out and make them presentable. But still... I'm not going to hold my breath.

This post has been edited by Wieder: 08 June 2011 - 07:22 PM

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Will we ever get more gameplay videos from the 2001, 1998, and 2006 versions?

I remember Gearbox saying something like that.
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Those videos come with the game, so don't worry.

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View PostDavoX, on 08 June 2011 - 07:34 PM, said:

Those videos come with the game, so don't worry.

What do you mean?
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Damn, you rock, Wieder! So much here I didn't know....
And if anyone would have an accurate recollection of this stuff, I'm sure it would be you.

I really miss talking to you.


So that guy's name is Vasquez? ;)
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View PostDavoX, on 08 June 2011 - 07:34 PM, said:

Those videos come with the game, so don't worry.


Ok, I was just making sure.
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Nice. Sad that the donkey ride and Gus were never really part of the game :(

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View PostMr.Flibble, on 08 June 2011 - 07:50 PM, said:

Sad that the donkey ride and Gus were never really part of the game :(


Clarification: The ideas expressed for those sort of things were definitely a part of the DNF "intent" at the time (otherwise the models wouldn't have been built). But the actual implementation shown in the video was done for the video to communicate the intent. Think of it like the trailers for games that use pre-rendered stuff... except we were using the engine itself.

This post has been edited by Wieder: 08 June 2011 - 08:05 PM

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View PostWieder, on 08 June 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:

Clarification: The ideas expressed for those sort of things were definitely a part of the DNF "intent" at the time (otherwise the models wouldn't have been built). But the actual implementation shown in the video was done for the video to communicate the intent. Think of it like the trailers for games that use pre-rendered stuff... except we were using the engine itself.


HK:47 style response? j/k. Thank very much for this!
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View PostSandman, on 08 June 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

HK:47 style response? j/k. Thank very much for this!


Amusement: I'm tearing up from laughing so hard. Thank you. ;)
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What does "realish" mean? It was playable(non-scripted) but from a different point of view(camera angle)?
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View PostMr.Deviance, on 08 June 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

What do you mean?


The game includes these videos

Extra_DNF_2003.bik 61,446,520
Extra_DNF_2006.bik 59,551,284
Extra_E3_1998.bik 86,773,256
Extra_E3_2001.bik 64,270,708
Extra_TriptychTrailer.bik 51,213,452
Extra_Xmas_2007.bik 21,521,680

2003 and 2006 builds videos, and the Tryptych trailer, from before Gearbox was involved. And I hope the 1998 and 2001 trailers will be remastered versions.

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This post has been edited by Fox Mulder: 08 June 2011 - 08:21 PM

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Ahhh...I gather the Triptych Trailer is the original version of the reveal trailer shown at PAX? With the neon title logo and the old Duke model? That would be awesome.

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View PostMusicallyInspired, on 08 June 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Ahhh...I gather the Triptych Trailer is the original version of the reveal trailer shown at PAX? With the neon title logo and the old Duke model? That would be awesome.


I think it's a different, even cooler one. And you can bet it has the old Duke model. We'll see. Can't wait.

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This post has been edited by Fox Mulder: 08 June 2011 - 08:35 PM

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View PostFox Mulder, on 08 June 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

The game includes these videos

Extra_DNF_2003.bik 61,446,520
Extra_DNF_2006.bik 59,551,284
Extra_E3_1998.bik 86,773,256
Extra_E3_2001.bik 64,270,708
Extra_TriptychTrailer.bik 51,213,452
Extra_Xmas_2007.bik 21,521,680

2003 and 2006 builds videos, and the Tryptych trailer, from before Gearbox was involved. And I hope the 1998 and 2001 trailers will be remastered versions.

Aww snap! That's some cool ass shit over there! I just hope they are not the same things you can see on youtube...
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maybe there ingame on a tv or somthing?
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View PostMr.Deviance, on 08 June 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

Aww snap! That's some cool ass shit over there! I just hope they are not the same things you can see on youtube...


There's a slight possibility those videos will nuke our minds.

View PostGothicBunny, on 08 June 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

maybe there ingame on a tv or somthing?


They should be viewable from the game menu, but we'll see. You can always install the RAD Video Tools and watch them.

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This post has been edited by Fox Mulder: 08 June 2011 - 08:57 PM

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Thank your for this fantastic facts! It's awesome! :)
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Charlie--that was awesome. It's amazing to learn how many things were actually playable!

Thank you so much!

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This is really great Charlie! I really hope this does clear the air about the content of the trailer and it's playability. When I'm allowed to give a vote up for your post you will surely get one! B)

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View PostMr.Flibble, on 08 June 2011 - 07:50 PM, said:

Nice. Sad that the donkey ride and Gus were never really part of the game :(

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View PostFox Mulder, on 08 June 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

The game includes these videos

Extra_DNF_2003.bik 61,446,520
Extra_DNF_2006.bik 59,551,284
Extra_E3_1998.bik 86,773,256
Extra_E3_2001.bik 64,270,708
Extra_TriptychTrailer.bik 51,213,452
Extra_Xmas_2007.bik 21,521,680

2003 and 2006 builds videos, and the Tryptych trailer, from before Gearbox was involved. And I hope the 1998 and 2001 trailers will be remastered versions.


There's nothing new from the pre-2003 period included, just as with the artbook in the BoSE.

@Wiedergutmachungsschnitzel: thanks for the blast from the past, man.
Just makes me wish that Gearbox would release extra footage from that era, but I guess it won't be happening.
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