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Duke Being Put To Pasture?

User is offline   Ninety-Six 

#541

View PostWorkWandaWork, on 18 June 2019 - 08:03 PM, said:

Rule one of engaging in a forum fever with an infectious agent: You're there for the body not the virus.


I must admit that this entire analogy you've been running with on this matter is one I haven't entirely understood.
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User is offline   Forge 

#542

View PostNinety-Six, on 18 June 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

I must admit that this entire analogy you've been running with on this matter is one I haven't entirely understood.

Analogy 101:

Post-modernist bullshit is bullshit by its own terms and definitions.

Post-Modernism:
Truth is subjective. No language is perfect, so no language can communicate the truth.

Therefore post-modernism itself is a lie made up by people who needed an excuse to escape realism. Bullshit values can be applied to anything, and with no solid definition or boundary, everything can be talked in circles of denial.

If someone's primary vocabulary consists of -ists, -isms, labels, and the false sense that all people from every walk of life want whats best for everyone instead of their tribe, with the exception of the out-groups they label as 'toxic' - then they are a bullshit artist living in fantasy land.
They're so busy excluding groups from their kumbaya circle, that they become the thing they hate the most, thus fulfilling the circle of hypocrisy that defines their life style choice philosophy.
Completely destructive. Internally and externally.

This post has been edited by Forge: 18 June 2019 - 08:33 PM

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User is offline   MusicallyInspired 

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#543

View PostForge, on 18 June 2019 - 08:21 PM, said:

Analogy 101:

Post-modernist bullshit is bullshit by its own terms and definitions.

Post-Modernism:
Truth is subjective. No language is perfect, so no language can communicate the truth.

Therefore post-modernism itself is a lie made up by people who needed an excuse to escape realism. Bullshit values can be applied to anything, and with no solid definition or boundary, everything can be talked in circles of denial.


(4:47:34)




This post has been edited by MusicallyInspired: 18 June 2019 - 08:31 PM

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#544

View PostNinety-Six, on 18 June 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

I must admit that this entire analogy you've been running with on this matter is one I haven't entirely understood.

The important thing I was communicating in what you quoted is the audience that matters most for that post you wrote is everyone besides the agent you were directly replying to.

In internet discussions the person your writings or posts will have the biggest effect on is usually someone not even posting in the thread. Possibly not now or ever even logged in. You pointed out quite well that there is a huge difference in the nature of the politics in different entertainment situations. One good example right now is the new Batwoman series vs the classic Batman series. You recognize the futility of your overt reply target getting anything from it, but if you shift to thinking of them as just providing a start to sink your teeth into, with way more than that one individual getting something useful out of it, you'll have much less reason to regret "trying".

Our new guest is a simulacrum and their interest in the character/franchise is a pantomime for their real interests. The gaming industry, etc. is infested with cargo cults split along ones who don't grok the point of your post, or ones who do and see it as a weapon. So you've got people who genuinely can't or won't distinguish the difference between entertainment where social topics come out naturally, vs a social topic looking for a property/fandom to force itself into By Any Means Necessary.

They are "fans/creators" as a method or tactic.

For a very long time the very people accused of being the most "ist" have also been by far the most tolerant, accepting, welcoming, inviting, assisting, taxed, sets of demographically identifiable clubs, industries, and populations anywhere on the planet to every walk of life that will come in and tell them just how awful they are and have been giving the accusers every possible platform and leg up to prove that the ism cults really do know better.

These days there are a lot more of us now who, through abuse or similar as kids then gaslit into silence into adulthood, have built up an immunity to their lies and can see them coming a mile away.


This post has been edited by WorkWandaWork: 18 June 2019 - 09:12 PM

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User is offline   Forge 

#545

View PostMusicallyInspired, on 18 June 2019 - 08:29 PM, said:



more like:
"You '-ists' are triggering me with your '-isms'. I'm going to Reee at you then start a twitter rage-mob to get you de-personed."
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User is offline   Ninety-Six 

#546

View PostWorkWandaWork, on 18 June 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

The important thing I was communicating in what you quoted is the audience that matters most for that post you wrote is everyone besides the agent you were directly replying to.

In internet discussions the person your writings or posts will have the biggest effect on is usually someone not even posting in the thread. Possibly not now or ever even logged in. You pointed out quite well that there is a huge difference in the nature of the politics in different entertainment situations. One good example right now is the new Batwoman series vs the classic Batman series. You recognize the futility of your overt reply target getting anything from it, but if you shift to thinking of them as just providing a start to sink your teeth into, with way more than that one individual getting something useful out of it, you'll have much less reason to regret "trying".


Ah, I see now. Thank you for clearing that up.


That is a helpful way to see things. I shall keep that in mind.
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User is offline   Jim Rockford 

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#547

Some people will tell you that it's best not to engage with these types. But that's far from the truth. The best thing to do with these types is directly engage with them while not taking them, or yourself, seriously. Their method requires that you take things seriously.

The fatal error of types like Sargon is that not only does he take himself seriously, he finds his opponents to be "serious dangers."

As Milo Yiannopolous succinctly put it to Jordan Peterson, it's a prestige economy. Engage with the prestige economy with no intent of gaining prestige, and crazy shit happens. This is why Sargon will fade into obscurity as his gaffes ruin his "future" but people like Milo will come back again and again despite all the negative covfefe

(47:50 for the part of the conversation give it a few minutes)

This post has been edited by BlitZ: 18 June 2019 - 09:19 PM

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User is offline   Forge 

#548

Repent Harlequin
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User is offline   Trooper Dan 

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#549

View PostWorkWandaWork, on 18 June 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

Our new guest is a simulacrum and their interest in the character/franchise is a pantomime for their real interests.


There certainly are plenty of fakers out there who are in the gaming space purely to push their political agendas. But are you referring to johnny? As far as I can tell he is a real gamer who likes games. He never claimed to have any serious investment in the Duke Nukem character or franchise. Nothing wrong with that. He came to the forum after playing Alien Armageddon. It's possible to like games and also be passionate about politics/social justice and not be a fraud or "simulacrum". Just saying.
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#550

View PostMark, on 18 June 2019 - 04:46 PM, said:

Gee, I guess all these charts I just found in a google search must be wrong because it looks to me like our output of greenhouse gases is roughly the same as 1990. Or maybe I'm missing something. Please enlighten me.

Actually, you don't have to respond. There are already a number of threads with long drawn out discussions on this subject. It takes way too much effort to argue this subject. I contributed my 2 cents worth. I'll move on.


Maybe not reduced, but there was no notable increase in GHG emissions like in China or US. EU plans to reduce it much further in the next 10 years with supporting sustainable renewable sources, banning palm oil, phasing out free industrial quotas and such. What is China or US doing right now?
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#551

View PostTrooper Dan, on 18 June 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:

There certainly are plenty of fakers out there who are in the gaming space purely to push their political agendas. But are you referring to johnny? As far as I can tell he is a real gamer who likes games. He never claimed to have any serious investment in the Duke Nukem character or franchise. Nothing wrong with that. He came to the forum after playing Alien Armageddon. It's possible to like games and also be passionate about politics/social justice and not be a fraud or "simulacrum". Just saying.


I've said this before, and at risk of turning myself into the next forum pariah, I will again admit that I used to be a left wing activist IRL - yes, Antifa and animal rights issues, which included organizing and taking part in street protests. All this happened when I was between ages 16-19 though. After that I saw a pronounced shift in my group's thinking, from taking interest in "real issues" to endlessly pontificating on LGBT rights, to getting upset with how people say things (rather than what they actually do) and since then I've had to be very cautious with who and how I divulge the fact that I still do care very much about issues typical to the left wing.

I feel like I am mostly the same person, and everyone else went crazy. But they are genuinely crazy and I have never seen it as an attempt to subvert anything on purpose. (Yes, some definitely do that, but not so much in random forums). They really are that easily triggered and the way johnny communicates is exactly the same as people I've known IRL. The rational mind tries to find rational reasons for the irrational. Sometimes people are just stupid.

There's a lot of femininity in these circles. I liked when Peterson came along because he brought really well sourced and succinct biological/psychological explanations for these differences in thinking. Left wingers get triggered because they tend to look at people as babies (in this case various minorities) and they see everyone else as snakes trying to eat the baby. Hence, it's like a mothers protective instinct. You have to assume they have no logical argument - it's all emotional, so you have to appeal to their emotions first. Calm them the fuck down, and proceed from there. Don't automatically assume malice when there's no evidence.

I guess it's also true that as we age we tend to become more conservative, but in my case, I feel like I just kept taking in more information and integrating it with the rest of my knowledge base, so I really identified with Nancsi when he/she (I honestly can't tell, I've been reading your name as Nancy the whole time, too) said that a sensible, pragmatic solution should not have political bias in it. If something is a good idea, it doesn't matter where it comes from. I've always believed that, but the older I get the more I see how rare that viewpoint actually is.

Anyway, with johnny in particular, I think it's close to a lost cause. The problem with feminine men is they aren't women, lol. They've got male hormones and are much more aggressive (or passive aggressive) and stubborn than women.

View PostWorkWandaWork, on 18 June 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

The important thing I was communicating in what you quoted is the audience that matters most for that post you wrote is everyone besides the agent you were directly replying to.


I keep that in mind in every discussion, but there ought to be a limit before we allow every thread to derail because of one person. At some point everyone will have seen all possible variations of the anti SJW/PC argument and if mods don't do anything, nothing really changes.

This post has been edited by thricecursed: 19 June 2019 - 01:23 AM

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User is online   Tea Monster 

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#552

People are much more interested in arguing, scoring points and defending their perceived teams than actually solving any problems. The war has become the fight.
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#553

PS. IF anyone's curious about why I think the intellectual shift happened, I can pretty much trace it to people getting older and more complacent. They saw that nothing they were doing was having an immediate impact and with the advent of Youtube and easily consumed information, people stopped reading books and got dumber. Everyone pretty much had to get jobs too, which left less time for "education". They say mental illness manifests in late teens/early 20s, so perhaps that had something to do with it as well. (As I said, I left the group right around my 20th birthday and others were around the same age).

Most people really into left wing stuff also suffer quite a bit of misery and injustice in their own lives and I was no different. It coded in me the desire to fight against it , but I began to see how some things were simply unchangeable aspects of human nature. Not everything is the fault of capitalism, etc. Of course that notion didn't go over well with my buddies.
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User is offline   Trooper Dan 

  • Duke Plus Developer

#554

It seems that no one really disputes that Duke has been put out to pasture. The disagreements are about why it happened, whether it should have happened and a hundred other things of little relevance. Of course, it is possible that Duke will return from the pasture some day and the franchise will be resurrected, as does happen to IPs from time to time. But again, does anyone really dispute that the pasteurization of Duke has occurred? With that settled, perhaps the thread should be closed.
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User is offline   Jim Rockford 

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#555

I think you will find behind every right leaning poster on Duke4.net (except Blue Lightning) there is a realistic yet idealistic thinker who became disappointed in American/Western liberalism.

This post has been edited by BlitZ: 19 June 2019 - 05:40 AM

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View PostTrooper Dan, on 18 June 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:

There certainly are plenty of fakers out there who are in the gaming space purely to push their political agendas. But are you referring to johnny? As far as I can tell he is a real gamer who likes games. He never claimed to have any serious investment in the Duke Nukem character or franchise. Nothing wrong with that. He came to the forum after playing Alien Armageddon. It's possible to like games and also be passionate about politics/social justice and not be a fraud or "simulacrum". Just saying.


"Simulacrum"? Pfffh... What is this, Marathon? :rolleyes:

Joking aside, I am quite confused by your use of the term "pasteurisation". Is it supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing? I know it is literally a food processing technique to make products last longer and reduce the risk of food poisoning, but it is the first time I have ever seen someone use the word figuratively. Do you not mean "sanitisation" here? :huh:

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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#557

Duke Nukem is not dead, he just decided to take a few years of RNR and to run for president (why haven't Schwartzy done it ?)
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#558

Duke’s not dead, he’s missing in action. Paraphrasing a Phil Ochs quote.
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User is offline   Sledgehammer 

  • Once you start doubting, there's no end to it

#559

View PostRadar, on 18 June 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

Don't make a second enemy for no reason.

You're Romanian, you're already his enemy. :P
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User is online   Spitfire '15 

  • Zionist Shill

#560

Hahaha funniest post in this thread so far. https://www.thegearpage.net/board/smilies/rotflmao.gif

Hey Nansci, are you one of those weird Hungarians who think Transylvania is under Romanian occupation? :D
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#561

Hungarians, Romanians, Estonians. We shall form an united Eastern European front.
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User is online   Spitfire '15 

  • Zionist Shill

#562

Dude I would take Eastern Europe over Western Europe any day. Conservatism is on the rise in the East, and now that the West is taking in African and Muslim migrants, gypsies don't look so bad. Gypsies never tried to take over institutions.
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#563

Our conservatives are fucking morons, though. I don't trust them at all. I mean, with shit like this:

https://estonianworl...foreign-visits/

https://estonianworl...is-responsible/

"Martin Helme’s (EKRE’s deputy leader and the new finance minister – editor) appeal for a “white Estonia,” and his slogan, “If they’re black, send them back” (Kui on must, näita ust) is deeply offensive in Western societies, even conservatives."

The country slowly rose to prominence in the last decade without these people doing a god damn thing and now that they're in power, they wanna send us back to the stone age. I have black friends who are intelligent, productive TAX PAYING members of society and they get harassed because of these cunts. I fought against them in my teens and I would still fight against them now.
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User is online   Spitfire '15 

  • Zionist Shill

#564

Oy. All politicians are morons.
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#565

That's really simplifying it, man. There are better options always and every choice matters, even if it's a subtle one.
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User is offline   Sledgehammer 

  • Once you start doubting, there's no end to it

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View Postthricecursed, on 19 June 2019 - 08:12 AM, said:

they wanna send us back to the stone age.

The whole world is already getting there thanks to leftist except some countries with culture are getting degraded in that aspect too. That's the point of so-called "progressivism" which is completely opposite of progress.

Either way, I doubt Estonia is a country that is governed by right-wingers, let alone conservatives, Estonia is a member of NATO after all, the stuff you posted sounds like usual political PR bullshit (kinda like with anti-Trump articles except not as bad). Other than that, I bet you could get a lot of dirt if you tried to dig for the information.

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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#567

Basically politicians are not more morons than the others, they are just poorly to not mediatised when they do a good job !
After all, the fruit never fall far from the tree, you find exactly the sames in "civilian/everyday life" !

This post has been edited by gemeaux333: 19 June 2019 - 09:16 AM

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User is offline   Jim Rockford 

  • Banned on Rigel

#568

Most politicians just want you to believe they're morons, so they can keep pushing the evil one's agenda behind the scenes with the average person none the wiser.

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View PostSledgehammer, on 19 June 2019 - 09:06 AM, said:

Either way, I doubt Estonia is a country that is governed by right-wingers, let alone conservatives, Estonia is a member of NATO after all, the stuff you posted sounds like usual political PR bullshit (kinda like with anti-Trump articles except not as bad). Other than that, I bet you could get a lot of dirt if you tried to dig for the information.


It's a coalition government and EKRE is literally a far right political party who now have members occupying key positions, so yes, they are governing, but thankfully they aren't the only ones.
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User is online   Spitfire '15 

  • Zionist Shill

#570

View Postthricecursed, on 19 June 2019 - 08:32 AM, said:

That's really simplifying it, man. There are better options always and every choice matters, even if it's a subtle one.


Politics in Eastern Europe will always be corrupt. The important thing is to not vote for someone who says they can solve your problems by controlling more of your private life. Eastern Europe was always very good with the "if I'm not bothering you, leave me alone" mentality, even in the commie days. This may result in communities not being as close, and sometimes results in hostility, but at least people mind their own business. Here in America, people's lives are destroyed by politicians who are possessed by high levels of compassion, which always results in short-sightedness.
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