[Metalwolf]

I was wondering, is DN I and DN II considered 'canon' in the storyline of the franchise? I know in some of the spinoff Duke stuff (like Nuclear Winter), is not considered 'canon.'

[OpenMaw]

Metalwolf, on Aug 23 2010, 06:55 PM, said:

I was wondering, is DN I and DN II considered 'canon' in the storyline of the franchise? I know in some of the spinoff Duke stuff (like Nuclear Winter), is not considered 'canon.'

Duke 1, 2 and 3D are the only official parts to the Duke Nukem story. Everything else is just a spinoff, and the main line of games could very easily contradict or overwrite anything those games depict without hesitation.

[Shawneth]

Duke Nukem 1 and 2 are not really a strong part of the plot, they really don't go linear . In-fact, I don't even think that 1 and 2 have anything to do with 3, Heh. Like we all totally forgot about Dr. Proton right? He wasn't even mentioned in 3D so obviously no-one cares ^^.

[ReaperMan]

oporix, on Aug 23 2010, 11:46 PM, said:

Duke Nukem 1 and 2 are not really a strong part of the plot, they really don't go linear . In-fact, I don't even think that 1 and 2 have anything to do with 3, Heh. Like we all totally forgot about Dr. Proton right? He wasn't even mentioned in 3D so obviously no-one cares ^^.

Duke Nukem 1: becomes famous for defeating a mad man.

Duke Nukem 2: gets on TV for being famous, gets abducted by aliens and then kicks their ass. Then he starts flying back home.

Duke Nukem 3d: crash lands on earth after defeating aliens from Duke Nukem 2.

As you can see they are all link together. Also since when did any games featuring Duke Nukem have a strong plot?

[Hendricks266]

Dr. Proton died.

Manhattan Project is canon.

1 definitely has ties to 2, and 2 has its ties to 3D.

However, given that there's a DN2 arcade machine in Duke 3D, the most logical explanation seems to be that Duke 1 & 2 are games inside Duke 3D's universe, with Duke 3D a game inside DNF's universe.

[ReaperMan]

Hendricks266, on Aug 24 2010, 12:14 AM, said:

However, given that there's a DN2 arcade machine in Duke 3D, the most logical explanation seems to be that Duke 1 & 2 are games inside Duke 3D's universe, with Duke 3D a game inside DNF's universe.

Or maybe Duke has games created about his past adventures. He does have a "why i'm so great" book after all.

[OpenMaw]

Hendricks266, on Aug 23 2010, 08:14 PM, said:

Dr. Proton died.

Manhattan Project is canon.

1 definitely has ties to 2, and 2 has its ties to 3D.

However, given that there's a DN2 arcade machine in Duke 3D, the most logical explanation seems to be that Duke 1 & 2 are games inside Duke 3D's universe, with Duke 3D a game inside DNF's universe.

Nope. Neither MP TTK ZH DNA or LOTB canon as far as 3DR is concerned.

[Hendricks266]

I guess it doesn't really matter what's "canon" anyway in this franchise. Story was never important.

[OpenMaw]

Hendricks266, on Aug 23 2010, 09:16 PM, said:

I guess it doesn't really matter what's "canon" anyway in this franchise. Story was never important.

The reason I say they're not really canon is because DNF is Duke Nukem Four/Forever. Just as Duke Nukem 3D/III is the third game in the series. All four games are directly tied together in their little bit of plot. The only one of the bunch I can see getting any considerartion is Manhattan Project.

[Hendricks266]

LOTB is definitely not canon because there are other males left in the world in DNF.

[Metalwolf]

Hendricks266, on Aug 23 2010, 11:14 PM, said:

Dr. Proton died.

Manhattan Project is canon.

1 definitely has ties to 2, and 2 has its ties to 3D.

However, given that there's a DN2 arcade machine in Duke 3D, the most logical explanation seems to be that Duke 1 & 2 are games inside Duke 3D's universe, with Duke 3D a game inside DNF's universe.

Maybe DN 1 and 2 are simply games within the DN3d Universe, but their developers borrowed Duke's 'manly image' to compete against Nintendo's fat Italian plumber. Kinda like how The Force Unleashed borrows Sam Witwer's image because he looks 'cool.'
And the reason why the aliens are after Duke, is because he just happens to be making a bigger ruckus then all the other troublemakers.

But that is just how I see it

[Nacho]

Commando Nukem, on Aug 23 2010, 07:28 PM, said:

Duke 1, 2 and 3D are the only official parts to the Duke Nukem story. Everything else is just a spinoff, and the main line of games could very easily contradict or overwrite anything those games depict without hesitation.

This...
All the Duke games developed by 3DR are cannon while the games made by other developers are not.

[Kathy]

What about DNF? It probably won't be made by 3dRealms.

[Nacho]

Lotan, on Aug 24 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

What about DNF? It probably won't be made by 3dRealms.

...smart one aren't you...

3D Realms started and produced most of the content for DNF so it is their game... in the event that another developer picks up the game to finish it it still is a 3DR game unless they scrap everything and start again. At this point DNF would be the first game to be canon that was not made by 3D Realms.

[necroslut]

Hendricks266, on Aug 24 2010, 07:29 AM, said:

LOTB is definitely not canon because there are other males left in the world in DNF.

Unless it takes place after DNF?

[Hendricks266]

necroslut, on Aug 25 2010, 08:34 AM, said:

Unless it takes place after DNF?

That's too complicated. It could just be another game within DNF.

[Kathy]

Nacho, on Aug 25 2010, 05:12 PM, said:

...smart one aren't you...

3D Realms started and produced most of the content for DNF so it is their game... in the event that another developer picks up the game to finish it it still is a 3DR game unless they scrap everything and start again. At this point DNF would be the first game to be canon that was not made by 3D Realms.

Can we say that Blood is the 3DR game?

[OpenMaw]

necroslut, on Aug 25 2010, 06:34 AM, said:

Unless it takes place after DNF?

Not likely. From Duke's POV, he's called to the future right after Time to Kill, and Time to Kill is picking up right after the end of Episode 3 of Duke3D.

[blackharted]

Commando Nukem, on Aug 25 2010, 12:45 PM, said:

Not likely. From Duke's POV, he's called to the future right after Time to Kill, and Time to Kill is picking up right after the end of Episode 3 of Duke3D.

All true.

[Jimmy]

All of the games can fit in the canon. Time To Kill, Land of the Babes, and Zero Hour all arguably take place in alternate timelines.

[blackharted]

Captain Awesome, on Aug 28 2010, 11:21 AM, said:

All of the games can fit in the canon. Time To Kill, Land of the Babes, and Zero Hour all arguably take place in alternate timelines.

Wouldn't say the spin-off fit into canon.

[Jimmy]

In all those games by the end he ends roughly back in the same time period he began at, much like in the Back to the Future series. They are alternate time lines that split off and end. In the end, they have no effect on the main time line, so technically DNF and TTK/LotB/ZH could all be happening concurrently on a timeline.

EDIT: I misread what you meant. I could agree that parts of them don't really fit, like Nuclear Winter, Caribbean, and Plug N Pray. It all comes down to whether you'd take 3DR's approach to the timeline, which would probably just be Duke I and II, Duke3D: Atomic Edition, and DNF.

[blackharted]

Captain Awesome, on Aug 28 2010, 01:08 PM, said:

In all those games by the end he ends roughly back in the same time period he began at, much like in the Back to the Future series. They are alternate time lines that split off and end. In the end, they have no effect on the main time line, so technically DNF and TTK/LotB/ZH could all be happening concurrently on a timeline.

EDIT: I misread what you meant. I could agree that parts of them don't really fit, like Nuclear Winter, Caribbean, and Plug N Pray. It all comes down to whether you'd take 3DR's approach to the timeline, which would probably just be Duke I and II, Duke3D: Atomic Edition, and DNF.

Hmmmm well I never acually thought about Nuclear Winter etc. but yeah they don't fit. Thanks I forgot about those.