What were the last "Proper" games?, In your opinion anyway Options

[High Treason]

I have wanted to start this thread for a while - I always hesitate when starting threads, and it's for the boring guys like me that swear at games like Crysis and deem them crap, then return home and play on the Atari, knowing that their 32 year old console with Space Invaders on it is far more entertaining than "them modern games" could ever be, and in my case, occasionally be brought to tears after playing Commander Keen because they just can not make games like that these days.

Anyway, the point of this is, post what you thought was the last proper game, you can state more than one and even games for different platforms and such, as you will see with my post. Also describe the game a little. We all know those older games were the best, and for some strange reasons, seeing other peoples opinions on things just interests me (which might be seen as odd, but I don't care) and I want to know what you think.
If you aren't sure of a particular game or two, just put the year that you think the last real game was made.

Here goes;

PC: Shadow Warrior / Blood
Both games used the Build engine, and had liberal amounts of gore, we didn't care about the inferior graphics, all we cared was that the gameplay was awesome and the humor in these games was brilliant.

N64: Conkers Bad Fur Day / Banjo Kazooie (Feck banjo tooie, that lacked something)
Conkers was released circa 2001, and was made by Rare, you play as a violent red squirrel who gets drunk and urinates, but most importantly at one point fights an opera singing poo - features some of the most impressive graphics, audio and mostly gameplay of any N64 game. Banjo Kazooie was also made by Rare about 1996/97 you play as the bear and bird team to defeat Grunty the evil witch, the game is somewhat child friendly and has a sense of humor, being very cartoon-like and colorful, but also dark and atmospheric at times.

PS1: Rayman
Last game of it's kind I think, this one really does make my cry, it's so beautiful, why oh why did they ruin it, that game was like a good trip, just look at Picture City. You play as Rayman and must defeat the evil Mr Dark, you must cross various themed landscapes to get to him though which results in a very original looking game - where else do you play in a level made of stationary (pencils/erasers etc.), This is one of those occasions where the game plays good and looks good. When I hear the term Video game, this is one of the things that pops into my mind. Once more, the game was not very realistc.

This isn't to say there weren't good games after these, but they really just aren't as awesome as those other ones. What I have discovered just now is that realistic games aren't to my taste it seems, but then, that's why it's a game, we play them to escape reality, and I feel this holds true, look how well games like Mario sell, and they aren't the slightest bit realistic (Actually, I do like Mario Galaxy, and it's Orchestral Sound Track is epic)
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[Lotan]

Since I love playing many modern games, I can't answer this properly. Sorry.

Btw, were you really born in 1990?


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[Martin Howe]

Most of the 2.5D FPS and up to a point, Quake 1:

We didn't care about the inferior graphics, all we cared was that the gameplay was awesome and the humor in these games was brilliant.

This isn't to say there weren't good games after these, but they really just aren't as awesome as those other ones. What I have discovered just now is that realistic games aren't to my taste it seems, but then, that's why it's a game, we play them to escape reality, and I feel this holds true,

Btw, were you really born in 1990?

Heck, I was born in 1965 and while I love new technology, being my living after all, real-life quality GFX don't feel right with most FPS games; the best nod to this I ever played was a DeHack for Doom in which you are a US marine and one or two bullets will kill you; it was bloody hard! (And yes I did finish it without cheating, though had to save a lot )
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[leilei]

Unreal Tournament 3 was the last game I bought. A proper game is one I consider with a lot of opportunity, not locked down, not DRM'd to death (UT3 just only had a serial check for online play), fun gameplay (not ut or ut2, but still respectably different), a modular player model system, editing tools shipped right with it (instead of holding it back like the popular Left4Dead SDK which was nothing more than a map editor), etc.
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[MrAdidaKing]

I'm just going to have to go ahead and say the HL2 series, Quake 2, Doom 2, obviously D3D and Halo. Wolf 3d


I mean those games were proper to me. I still play them over and over. Nothing else today has really caught my attention.

[High Treason]

Btw, were you really born in 1990?

Yep, but most people don't think so. Once I was shopping with a carer (about a year ago) and she was like 40 something years old, the woman at the till asked if she was my daughter, I felt like knocking someone out for that.

(And yes I did finish it without cheating, though had to save a lot )

I remember when I first started playing things liek doom and duke 3d, I didn't even know they had a save until a few months after I had started playing them, which is something I kept a secret for a long time. At least it isn't one of those "Autosave" type games that saves you with 1HP and a rocket about an inch from your head.
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[DanM]

yeh they dont make fps games like they used too

sick of all the military games where you shoot brown people in some shitty 3rd world country with 6 different machine guns, those games have about as much character as a bag of sawdust at a funeral
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[High Treason]

yeh they dont make fps games like they used too

sick of all the military games where you shoot brown people in some shitty 3rd world country with 6 different machine guns, those games have about as much character as a bag of sawdust at a funeral

I like that last bit "those games have about as much character as a bag of sawdust at a funeral" - One thing that lacks character now is the guy in the game, they try to make him into you, whereas the older FPS, you became the guy in the game.

6 Machine guns? You're lucky if you can carry that many weapons in modern FPS, and I have a theory as to why, They all wear stupid suits now, and they can't take the weight of the suit and the guns at the same time.

In fact why is that.

Halo - Gay suit (Master Chief can't take any hits, what a wuss and He can only carry 2 guns, at least in the first game, never played the other ones)
Half Life - Another Gay Suit (But I did enjoy playing the Dreamcast version, only because it gave me a reason to laugh at Sony)
Crysis - Yet again... Pfffffft, nanosuit.

In fact, I can think of only one these days that doesn't have a suit and can carry a good range of weapons, but you won't like it... Serious Sam. Whenever I play that game, I insert a Duke Nukem model and have "Duke Nukem" as my name, colored flashing. If you ever play on that game, you would cause that by entering your name like this "^f9^cffff00Duke Nukem" but you can state a different ^f and ^c for each letter.


Now, did Duke, Lo Wang and Caleb need a suit? NO! Look at Caleb, he kicks ass in an old trench coat (Which appears to be ideal for carrying weapons, as he has a hell of a lot of them).
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[DanM]

i didnt mind half-life, it had a bit of character to its weapons and monsters, but wasnt impressed with halo or crysis the prettiest polished turd i have ever seen, but still a turd at the end of the day

really all i want in my FPS is 9 crazy guns, original enemy's in a fun real world location with interaction, blood was very original with its weapons, aerosol and a voodoo doll

heaps more fun running through airports, hospitals, sushi bars, trains, carnivals, oil refinerys while disintergrating / burning / electrocuting your enemy's, shotguns are still my fave still & speaking of which the shotgun has died in favour of automatic rifles.

Necrovision looks like what i could be after in an fps tho, look like its giving a big nod to old school fps games
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[High Treason]

Hmm, I looked it up on youtube (Necrovision), Reminds me of painkiller for some reason - and that game was good. I might try that game out. I even enjoyed Postal 2, but it still didn't hit that "Awesome" button for me, and the replay value is low, but it was fun urinating on people until they puked, then taking their head off with a shovel and watching the puke come out of their neck for a while.

Crysis a polished turd? Makes me think of AVGN, he said something in one of his reviews along the lines of (I think it was X-MEN or Transformers) "It's like a golden piece of shit, it might look like gold, but it still smells like shit"

I personally think Crysis' looks have been surpassed by Mirrors Edge anyway, and believe it or not, I actually liked that game, it wasn't "Awesome" but it was at least a decent game. I reckon it has the potential to out do Crysis in graphics, but when I first saw it I was like "WTF? is this still in development or something?" - I think I like it because the city resembles what mine is becoming to some extent, most notably the "CCC Building" in "Looking Glass Gardens" which makes me think of the BBC building in Queens Gardens in my city, which does have some similarities. Also the river at the end reminds me of the river that runs through my city, except the one in the game isn't shit brown. We have even just had a hotel put up not long after the game was released that looks one hell of a lot like the buildings in mirrors edge. Also, my friend has a High End computer, and he can't run it with all the settings maxed out, but I can and still hit 60Fps most of the time, I expect it would go higher, but my card seems to be capped there for some reason.

I find old FPS always started with relatively realistic weapons (Shotguns, Machine guns etc) then moved on to original ideas that you rarely found, I think the Ripper Heart has to be one of my all time favorites, I was actually planning on asking DeeperThought if he could give the Holoduke AI in DukePlus.

Wow, didn't mean to type this much, I always do that when I am tired, but it's near 10AM, I might as well stay up all day now.
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[DanM]

yeh mirrors edge was great, actually had gameplay advances, you really felt looking through the eyes rather than a rigid piece of metal in the right hand corner of the screen.

but it didn't have U.S led invasions, brown people and 3rd world country's so it failed
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[Lotan]

Halo - Gay suit (Master Chief can't take any hits, what a wuss

Actually, he could take some hits. And there were even medkits in the game.

[High Treason]

That isn't what I meant "Can't take no hits" is an expression, but now I think of it, it's probably a local one, basically means that you are weak and wussy. I should probably have worded it differently.

Anyhow, how do we know he can actually take hits, you never (as far as I am aware) take your suit off in the game, without his suit he might die with one hit - maybe even the air would kill his fragile body, he still usually does die with one shot with the suit if someone is using an aimbot or hits you in the head.
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This post has been edited by High Treason: Oct 1 2009, 07:13 AM

[blizzart]

Hmm the last proper games I played are:

- Crysis
- Far Cry
- Postal²
- NfS Hot Pursuit 2
- Test Drive Unlimited

[Jhect]

hi im new here:P the next games i am waiting for are:
final fantasy 13 ( soon)
bioshock2(soon)
the new duke nukem forever ( hmm)

[The Commander]

Last Proper games I have played.

GTA: San Andreas (Very good main storyline and isn't some cheap game that can be finished in a couple of hours)

Warzone 2100 (Released in 1999, one of the first fully 3D strategy games that most other RTS games took there idea's from today, Rally points, Ranked Units etc)

Final Fantasy 7 (I should not even need to say why this game is great)

Parasite Eve 2 (A somewhat semi clone of the Resident Evil classic games, but has great storyline and other various things)
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[Alithinos]

I have wanted to start this thread for a while - I always hesitate when starting threads, and it's for the boring guys like me that swear at games like Crysis and deem them crap, then return home and play on the Atari, knowing that their 32 year old console with Space Invaders on it is far more entertaining than "them modern games" could ever be, and in my case, occasionally be brought to tears after playing Commander Keen because they just can not make games like that these days.

Anyway, the point of this is, post what you thought was the last proper game, you can state more than one and even games for different platforms and such, as you will see with my post. Also describe the game a little. We all know those older games were the best, and for some strange reasons, seeing other peoples opinions on things just interests me (which might be seen as odd, but I don't care) and I want to know what you think.
If you aren't sure of a particular game or two, just put the year that you think the last real game was made.

Here goes;

PC: Shadow Warrior / Blood
Both games used the Build engine, and had liberal amounts of gore, we didn't care about the inferior graphics, all we cared was that the gameplay was awesome and the humor in these games was brilliant.

N64: Conkers Bad Fur Day / Banjo Kazooie (Feck banjo tooie, that lacked something)
Conkers was released circa 2001, and was made by Rare, you play as a violent red squirrel who gets drunk and urinates, but most importantly at one point fights an opera singing poo - features some of the most impressive graphics, audio and mostly gameplay of any N64 game. Banjo Kazooie was also made by Rare about 1996/97 you play as the bear and bird team to defeat Grunty the evil witch, the game is somewhat child friendly and has a sense of humor, being very cartoon-like and colorful, but also dark and atmospheric at times.

PS1: Rayman
Last game of it's kind I think, this one really does make my cry, it's so beautiful, why oh why did they ruin it, that game was like a good trip, just look at Picture City. You play as Rayman and must defeat the evil Mr Dark, you must cross various themed landscapes to get to him though which results in a very original looking game - where else do you play in a level made of stationary (pencils/erasers etc.), This is one of those occasions where the game plays good and looks good. When I hear the term Video game, this is one of the things that pops into my mind. Once more, the game was not very realistc.

This isn't to say there weren't good games after these, but they really just aren't as awesome as those other ones. What I have discovered just now is that realistic games aren't to my taste it seems, but then, that's why it's a game, we play them to escape reality, and I feel this holds true, look how well games like Mario sell, and they aren't the slightest bit realistic (Actually, I do like Mario Galaxy, and it's Orchestral Sound Track is epic)

I think I get your point about "modern gun games" but let me tell you something about Crysis since you refered to it.
Crysis became very popular because of it's extremely realistic graphics.
It was a game that when it came out usual simple graphics cards couldn't handle and only now after 3 years someone can play it with all settings to maximum and have a playable FPS number.
I agree that Crysis is not so fun by a point of view.
Besides it's extreme graphics and physics and interactivity it's scenario is cliche and not perfectly presented.
It lucks atmosphere too.
But that doesn't mean that it is for the trash bug.
It's a game that besides it doesn't give you the feelings of other old school shooters it keeps you on the screen to see what is next.

Please excuse my large referation to Crysis because i had to say about it.
Now on topic:
I find S.T.A.L.K.E.R. to be a "proper" game.
It might not be too shiny,it's graphics look like they are 4 years old,but if you play it you will understand why I say that.
It's one of those FPS's that really makes you think while you play it "I have to survive and kill that monster" and not "Oh,an other thing they putted there.Lets push this button to kill it".
It have an original story and it's very atmospheric. It's world is more "alive" than games with much better technology.
What I liked in the gameplay was that it's a difficult game that you must master it to move on.
And you know the shiny thing about it ?
It have no HEALTH REGENARATION !!!!!
Instead you use good old medkits that you find and you must use them very carefully if you want to survive like you were doing at Resident Evil.
This game is actually a mix up from 3 different game genres.
It has guns and First person view like FPS's.
It has the difficulty,atmosphere,and tactic of survival horror games.
And finally it has an open world,optional side quests and character interactivity like RPG's.
And it still has lots of secrets that you can search for and find and so on..
But still it's not the super bomb you might except.

[SBG]

In no particular order:

Myst
Riven (ish)
Wolf 3D
Duke 3D
Wacky Wheels

Myst is amazing. Its graphics were good for its time, and it is one of those games that you can play for years and years, and still find new things! Same with Riven, although I'm not as fond of it just because you need 5 CDs for it, and it can get a little weird at times. After Riven, the series went down the drain.

Duke and Wolf, my oh my I spent a lot of time on them. nothing to be said, they're just the best.

I don't actually play wacky wheels any more (obviously), but when I was a little kid, I absolutely loved the game! It's just one of those ones that stick with you. Merely the fact that in no other racing game can you shoot HEDGEHOGS at other cars

[Mikko_Sandt]

and it's for the boring guys like me that swear at games like Crysis and deem them crap, then return home and play on the Atari, knowing that their 32 year old console with Space Invaders on it is far more entertaining than "them modern games" could ever be, and in my case, occasionally be brought to tears after playing Commander Keen because they just can not make games like that these days.

We all know those older games were the best,

Not objectively, of course. There's no good reason why they should be considered better. People just tend to like things they associate with their childhood.

I love the games I used to play as a kid but I also recognize that these so called "proper" games are being released from year to year.
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[Lotan]

Plus people tend to remember good sides of the game and the general feeling when they were playing. Whereas it is not true for a recent memories.

[Sangman]

Not objectively, of course. There's no good reason why they should be considered better. People just tend to like things they associate with their childhood.

Easy way to test this: let a young kid play games you played when you were a young kid and see if it holds up.

But then I guess you could make the case that kids these days don't know shit about fun and have bad taste.
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[Lotan]

But then I guess you could make the case that kids these days don't know shit about fun and have bad taste.

It was always the case.

[Micky C]

Unfortunately any kid old enough to have outgrown Dora the Explorer would not have the patience for old games with their old graphics, (myself included to a degree).

I only picked up Duke Nukem 3D a year ago because I loved the shareware episode of Duke Nukem 2 so much as a kid.

Lol, I remember getting the HRP but my computer at the time always froze when I tried Polymost, so I always used the 8 bit renderer and was like "whoa, if this is meant to be the HRP I'd hate to think what it looked like before" Thankfully that allowed me to tollerate classic mode even today.

And now for the original purpose of the thread: Quake 2.
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[BugsBunny]

IMHO in the last ten years of my computer gaming life, these were the games I played, liked and therefore feagure in my proper list

Quake III Arena
Unreal Gold
Half Life
Duke Nukem Manhattan Project
Clive Barker's Undying
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Painkiller
FarCry
Unreal Tournament 2004 ECE
Prey
F.E.A.R
Wolfenstein ( only the SP mode)

Games that didn't make it to my my personal "proper" list were Crysis and Crysis WH, cause even though they were technically and visually spectacular, they didn't have a great story plot, and for the same reason that it is an ordinary plot, the much over-hyped Half Life 2 didn't make it to my list either, even though I did play all 3 if these games completely.

[GoldenDesertEagle]

Last proper game? Well, I can say that the last game I really enjoyed and brought back great memories was Serious Sam HD: The First Encounter. I have enjoyed (enjoyed as in they were nice, but nothing special) many games in the last decade, some more than usual, but since 1999, I haven't really enjoyed anything like I used to.

[LeoD]

That's the dark side of growing older ... and mabye the reason why we are here.

[ReaperMan]

I think most people are here because they like to talk, play mods, make mods, or talk about a game that will never be released.

Anyway, there are a lot of new and old games so i have no idea why anyone would ask the question of " whats the last proper game", but that's really just my opinion.